"harvey" wrote in message
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"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
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| "Twistedhed" wrote in message
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| The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
|
| Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
| violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel centers
may
| be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they get
| busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and
that
| sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much more
than
| the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the fight up the
legal
| ladder. This would be the case to watch.
| --
| Leland C. Scott
| KC8LDO
|
i think a company whose one branch makes over 5 billion a yr will just
shrug
this off....
harv

For a large company yeah you're right. But then again if one of the
executives ends up in jail, which they can, then taking the radios off the
shelf would have looked like the smart thing to do and then just shrug it
off. Lately the government likes throwing white collar company executives in
jail for wrong doing. After all just how much money are they going to
realistically loose anyway from dumping the questionable radios from their
sales line up? Not much is my guess. If the FCC chooses to play hard-ball I
expect they will just do what the FCC told them to do, and not waste any
more time or money on something that won't materially affect their bottom
line.


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"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
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| "harvey" wrote in message
| .. .
|
| "Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "Twistedhed" wrote in message
| | ...
| | The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| | feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
| |
| | Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
| | violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel
centers
| may
| | be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they
get
| | busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and
| that
| | sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much more
| than
| | the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the fight up the
| legal
| | ladder. This would be the case to watch.
| | --
| | Leland C. Scott
| | KC8LDO
| |
| i think a company whose one branch makes over 5 billion a yr will just
| shrug
| this off....
| harv
|
| For a large company yeah you're right. But then again if one of the
| executives ends up in jail, which they can, then taking the radios off the
| shelf would have looked like the smart thing to do and then just shrug it
| off. Lately the government likes throwing white collar company executives
in
| jail for wrong doing. After all just how much money are they going to
| realistically loose anyway from dumping the questionable radios from their
| sales line up? Not much is my guess. If the FCC chooses to play hard-ball
I
| expect they will just do what the FCC told them to do, and not waste any
| more time or money on something that won't materially affect their bottom
| line.
|
|
| --
| Leland C. Scott
| KC8LDO
|
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|i'll have to agree with ya on that leland-wouldnt ya like to be the fly on
the wall and hear the conversation that happens when they pull in the guy or
gal who decided to add them to their line-up on the selves...lol....fingers
may be pointing all over the place..lol
harv

From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
"harvey" wrote in message
.. .
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
|
| "Twistedhed" wrote in message |
... | The large
corporations continue to do business as usual while the feds pacify
insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).

Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty
comes up for repeated | violations. Also don't

overlook that some of those Pilot Travel

centers may

be wholly own franchises where the owner

has to pay the fine if they get | busted. The

real fine is having to go to court to fight the

FCC, and that sounds like what may happen.

When it does it could cost them much more

than

the $125K fine depending on how far they

want to take the fight up the legal

ladder. This would be the case to watch.

=A0--

Leland C. Scott

KC8LDO

(i think a company whose one branch makes over 5 billion a yr will just
shrug this off....
harv )
_
For a large company yeah you're right. But

then again if one of the executives ends up in

jail, which they can, then taking the radios off

the shelf would have looked like the smart

thing to do and then just shrug it off.


But you MUST consider the probability factor. What you propose is
deviation from the norm concerning the FCC. You have a better chance of
hitting the lotto. Not going to happen. You are discounting the monetary
factor, here. I believe you are missing the monetary picture here of why
the huge companies stay in business year after year when only the
littles ones are closed and put out of business.



Lately the government likes throwing white

collar company executives in jail for wrong

doing.


Cite a single case involving the FCC tossing a white collar exec in jail
for a similar charge.


After all just how much money are they going

to realistically loose anyway from dumping the
questionable radios from their sales line up?




Nothing, 'cause the radios aren't being dumped.

Not much is my guess. If the FCC chooses to

play hard-ball I expect they will just do what

the FCC told them to do, and not waste any

more time or money on something that won't

materially affect their bottom line.


Your position is based upon suppositions, the "if" factor, and the
assumption the FCC is changing the manner in whcih they operate, as
opposed to reality,,..business-as-usual within the FCC and minimal
enforcement. In fact, Riley has written the FCC considers many of these
complainants a pain-in-the-ass..he didn't come out and say those exact
words, but DID say these type hammies (Oxendine) are often worse than
the offenders themselves. An incredible statement from the head
enforcement officer at the FCC.


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From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the feds
pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).

Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty

comes up for repeated violations.



Large corporations pay fines opposed to having their folks go to jail.
The obvious exceptions were the Michael Milkens.


Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot

Travel centers may be wholly own franchises

where the owner has to pay the fine if they get
busted.



That's not how it works with franchises. Franchises are required to
carry certain items. The mother corporation usually absorbs any such
fines. The ceiling is built-in to these companies as a cost of doing
business. A paltry
125k, such as the figure you mention, is nothing
at all to the corporation. When their ceiling is reached, only then can
the method be effective. Nothing has changed since the seventies
regarding enforcement,,,,not a damn thing. The amount of convictions
(per the FCC) is actually less than the seventies and the only fines
that have been increased (in frequency) are the ones against commerical
broadcasters.


The real fine is having to go to court to fight

the FCC, and that sounds like what may

happen.



Not by these large corporations. They pay the fine and forget about it
instantaneously.


When it does it could cost them much more

than the $125K fine depending on how far

they want to take the fight up the legal ladder.

This would be the case to watch.



The fines are paid and its business as usual.
These companies usually don't fight these fines. In fact, there is no
large corporation has lodged such a court room battle (which you speak
of concerning radio gear, amps, etc) for the exact reason you
mention...it is much easier tand cheaper to pay the fine and
continue,,,,,business-as-usual.
The ONLY way to change this is via legislation, and we all know the
angry hammie who is pre-occupied with such nonsense is merely reactive,
not proactive.
Again, if ANYTHING changed since the seventies regarding enforcement,
it is that now is the best time as any to buy a radio and begin
freebanding. Enforcement is practically non-existent unless you draw
major attention to yourself with splatter and bleed.
Business as usual, and with the cooler weather comes the skip,,,,,27.555
is kicking up major contacts again and no one on the freq is remotely
concerned with a single hammie's angry, jealous, errant, and reactive
behavior.
Happy holidays.

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KC8LDO

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"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Large corporations pay fines opposed to having their folks go to jail.
The obvious exceptions were the Michael Milkens.

You forgot about the savings and loan scandals, the Enron executives going
to jail, Martha Stewart etc.

That's not how it works with franchises. Franchises are required to
carry certain items.

But not all items. How many time have you heard, but never really paid
attention to, the statement at the end of commercials etc. that states "At
participating stores"? Just because it is a franchise doesn't automatically
mean they carry everything a company own store does. In fact I've been in
many Pilot Travel centers and I specifically check the two-way radio section
out just for fun. Funny how some of them you don't see even one of those
import radios the FCC has fined Pilot over.

The fines are paid and its business as usual.
These companies usually don't fight these fines. In fact, there is no
large corporation has lodged such a court room battle (which you speak
of concerning radio gear, amps, etc) for the exact reason you
mention...it is much easier tand cheaper to pay the fine and
continue,,,,,business-as-usual.

After they remove the offending product. Look how skittish the TV stations
are after the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction". It was only a $550K fine
to the network. I'm sure it didn't dent their bank account very much. It
wasn't much bigger than the fine that Pilot got. The networks are running
scared about what they show on the air to the point where some local
stations wouldn't air the uncut movie "Saving Private Ryan" for veterans day
because they were afraid they would get slapped with another fine.


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From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
... Large
corporations pay fines opposed to having their folks go to jail. The
obvious exceptions were the Michael Milkens.

You forgot about the savings and loan

scandals,

I did no such thing. Familiarize yourself with Michael Milken.

the Enron executives going to jail,

Martha Stewart etc.

Like I said,,the obvious exceptions are where there were victims in
their crimes and someone suffered a monetary loss. Martha Stewart
deserved her jail sentence. That cash she profited from was someone
else's loss,,most likely a smaller investor. The smaller investor lost
his investment from Martha's wrong doing. Although the courts did not
present a proper case involving insider trading, Stewart was convicted
of obstruction for lying, which she readily and most certainly did
commit in effort to conceal her illlegal deal borne of inside
information.
_
That's not how it works with franchises.
Franchises are required to carry certain items.

But not all items.

Come again? When one opens a McDonalds franchise, yes, they are required
to carry of the items one finds on the traditional McDonald's menu. Ask
hot tempered Mayner about it..he has experience with Burger King,,he'll
tell you the same thing.

How many time have you heard, but never

really paid attention to, the statement at the

end of commercials etc. that states "At

participating stores"? Just because it is a

franchise doesn't automatically mean they

carry everything a company own store does.

What you speak of is an exception, and is referred to as a "promotion".

In fact I've been in many Pilot Travel centers

and I specifically check the two-way radio

section out just for fun.



Well, far be it from another to criticize how you find your "fun".


Funny how some of

them you don't see even one of those import

radios the FCC has fined Pilot over.


And even funnier still,,,I was on the road since ornithological dining
day and went to the Pilot
I sometimes stop at,,,,,,,,nothing changed.
Besides,,,it has nothing to do with the requirements. More
realistically, they sold out. Check them again next month after their
new deliveries are in.
_
The fines are paid and its business as usual. These companies usually
don't fight these fines. In fact, there is no large corporation has
lodged such a court room battle (which you speak of concerning radio
gear, amps, etc) for the exact reason you mention...it is much easier
tand cheaper to pay the fine and continue,,,,,business-as-usual.

After they remove the offending product.

Not the corporations.

Look how skittish the TV stations are after the

Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction". It was

only a $550K fine to the network.

I'm sure it

didn't dent their bank account very much. It

wasn't much bigger than the fine that Pilot got.
The networks are running scared about what

they show on the air to the point where some

local stations wouldn't air the uncut movie

"Saving Private Ryan" for veterans day

because they were afraid they would get

slapped with another fine.

Umm, that's the first time I heard that. In fact, that was not even the
reason given by most media outlets for not showing that movie. The
stations aren't worried about the fines, they are worried about losing
their licenses. An article appeared in last Wednesday's Times affirming
this. Concerning the showing of PR, it was right before the election and
the decision to show a realistic movie portraying the realistic manner
in which war is conducted right before the election was a no-brainer. I
visited a website that illustrated,,,no,,PROVED that all the affiliates
that refused to show the movie were born of political agendas..IE:
republican controlled media outlet (such as R Murdoch). You may research
this yourself, but I am telling you that ALL the affiliates that refused
to conform (illustrating yet ANOTHER non-conservative trait) to the
regular scheduled broadcasting were of political agenda.

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_
Those radios are still easily ordered from Pilot, even if they aren't on
the shelf.

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
The ONLY way to change this is via legislation, and we all know the
angry hammie who is pre-occupied with such nonsense is merely reactive,
not proactive.

As silly as it is it just so happens that its the "angry hammie", a.k.a. the
ARRL, that is going to save the CBer's behind. What I'm talking about is the
direction the FCC is going in regards to the BPL issue. Whether you like it
or not BPL is going to affect everybody using HF, irregardless if they so
happen to be a Ham or CBer.

It would be much more productive if the bandwidth on this news group wasn't
wasted debating the same old issues, but instead joining together in a
united front to fight the FCC, and the deep pocket corporations, wanting to
pollute the airwaves with RF trash from the digital signals on the power
lines using BPL.The CBers really need some kind of national origination to
represent their interests. Right now they're getting a free ride, so to
speak, courtesy of the ARRL. Anything that benefits the Ham community in
regards to stopping BPL also benefits CBers as well since your band, 11m, is
right there next to the 10m Ham band. Both bands would be heavily affect by
BPL noise. Just something for you to think about while you're ready to pound
away at your keyboard in response.


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Again, if ANYTHING changed since the seventies regarding enforcement,
it is that now is the best time as any to buy a radio and begin
freebanding. Enforcement is practically non-existent unless you draw
major attention to yourself with splatter and bleed.
Business as usual, and with the cooler weather comes the skip,,,,,27.555
is kicking up major contacts again and no one on the freq is remotely
concerned with a single hammie's angry, jealous, errant, and reactive
behavior.
Happy holidays.

--
Leland C. Scott

KC8LDO

Wireless Network

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BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Leland C. Scott" wrote:

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
The ONLY way to change this is via legislation, and we all know the
angry hammie who is pre-occupied with such nonsense is merely reactive,
not proactive.

As silly as it is it just so happens that its the "angry hammie", a.k.a. the
ARRL, that is going to save the CBer's behind. What I'm talking about is the
direction the FCC is going in regards to the BPL issue. Whether you like it
or not BPL is going to affect everybody using HF, irregardless if they so
happen to be a Ham or CBer.

It would be much more productive if the bandwidth on this news group wasn't
wasted debating the same old issues, but instead joining together in a
united front to fight the FCC, and the deep pocket corporations, wanting to
pollute the airwaves with RF trash from the digital signals on the power
lines using BPL.The CBers really need some kind of national origination to
represent their interests. Right now they're getting a free ride, so to
speak, courtesy of the ARRL. Anything that benefits the Ham community in
regards to stopping BPL also benefits CBers as well since your band, 11m, is
right there next to the 10m Ham band. Both bands would be heavily affect by
BPL noise. Just something for you to think about while you're ready to pound
away at your keyboard in response.

--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft

Again, if ANYTHING changed since the seventies regarding enforcement,
it is that now is the best time as any to buy a radio and begin
freebanding. Enforcement is practically non-existent unless you draw
major attention to yourself with splatter and bleed.
Business as usual, and with the cooler weather comes the skip,,,,,27.555
is kicking up major contacts again and no one on the freq is remotely
concerned with a single hammie's angry, jealous, errant, and reactive
behavior.
Happy holidays.

--
Leland C. Scott

KC8LDO

Wireless Network

Mobile computing

on the go brought

to you by Micro$oft

(Twistedhed) wrote:
Oxendine, in all actuality, is saying,
"Thank-you-sir-my-I-have-another?", when he is unable to grasp exactly
what it is he just received. Cut him some slack. He's in a learning
process.

Sounds like another pantie waist lib. (j/k)

From: pam
(itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge)
(Twistedhed) wrote in news:27344-41A35AD8-570
@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net:
As long as folks like Oxendine continue to accept this as enforcement,
nothing will change. Corporations get popped and pay fines all the time.
It's accepted and often standard business practice in the USA and a
specialty of the right wing. The fine is listed as an expense at tax
time. The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines). Meanwhile,
the Oxendines of the land are easily fooled. Armed with a false sense of
superiority, Oxendine, in all actuality, is saying,
"Thank-you-sir-my-I-have-another?", when he is unable to grasp exactly
what it is he just received. Cut him some slack. He's in a learning
process.

No twisted ****ehad


Oh,,I didn't mean to anger your impotent self. Try and get that admitted
communication deficit under control and stop permitting your emotions
to dictate your behavior.


this is another step in ridding the truckers and
others of export radios. amp makers will be

next, rome wasnt built in one day




Correct, it was brought down in one day. Rome burned while Nero fiddled.
I'm your dj. Enjoy the music, as the song remains the same and has since
the seventies. You aren't permitted near the turntable, so do the only
thing you can,,,,,go back to your corner and bitch about the tunes and
blame me for your misery.