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January 7th 05, 08:37 PM
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From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave=A0Hall) wrote: So, you're telling me that you can't listen to a channel and pick out who the most blatant illegal operators are simply by the sound of their rigs, and by the splatter they produce? When the dx is running strong, that is exactly what people are trying to tell you. The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. It has everything to with it. For the amount of times you professed to having talked skip on the freeband, followed by recent denials of you talking skip, you should know that on MANY occasion, a signal can be severely wavering from an S1 to an S9 (for but one of many examples),,,when that signal is coming in at an S9, the splatter may be intense if you changed the channel and went one up or down. When that signal is coming in on a wavering S1, you will hear absolutely nothing on your next channel. Once again, the wavering is a direct result of...taa daaa....skip. The only effect that "DX" may have is heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample of any particular transmission could not be made. You can qualify it away now, but your original claim is still bull****. _ I find it absoutely astounding this is lost upon you That's not surprising considering you once tried to tell me (and the group) that a 4 watt skip station 1000 miles away could potentially walk on top of a 4 watt station a half mile away, Absolutely. In fact, I have taught you many things regarding HF propagation and communication law of which you have no clue. totally disregarding the effects of R.F. .path loss. Never. That last part was added desperation. - Coupled with your claim concerning roger beeps and echo on cb being illegal (they're not) merely because you were unable to locate a rule specifically permitting their use, and it merits There are specific rules which specifically prohibit devices used for "entertainment" and "amusement" purposes. But only you continue to err and place such in that category. Your argument is with the FCC, not those of us who are able to correctly understand their law. There is also a specific rule which outlines permitted tone signals. A Roger Beep is not listed under permissible tone signals. Following simple logic, since there is no valid rule which permits a particular device, then the device defaults to one of "amusement or entertainment" status and is prohibited. That isn't simple logic, that's but an openly biased albeit incorrect interpretation based on nothing more than your past stated disdain for such items and your ignorance of the law that governs your hobby. So therefore it can be assumed that a roger beep and (even more definite) an echo box could be considered "entertainment" or "amusement" devices and, as such, are specifically prohibited. Only by yourself. You can make the point that the FCC doesn't care enough to make a case about these things, and I would probably agree with you. Not only would I never make such an invalid comparison, I disagree with such a statement. Email the fcc and ask them about your claim, Dave. But the fact remains that they are prohibited by the rules. Insisting on remaining ignorant is your right at all cost. Irony: When some of those licensed for communications know the least about their chosen endeavor. Bigger Irony: Someone with obvious comprehensive issues chastising others for the same flaw. Dave "Sandbagger" This is quite simple, really....me: 100% correct..you: 100% wrong. |
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January 10th 05, 12:38 PM
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January 10th 05, 02:40 PM
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From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:37:50 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: N3CVJ said The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. It has everything to with it. For the amount of times you professed to having talked skip on the freeband, followed by recent denials of you talking skip, you should know that on MANY occasion, a signal can be severely wavering from an S1 to an S9 (for but one of many examples),,,when that signal is coming in at an S9, the splatter may be intense if you changed the channel and went one up or down. When that signal is coming in on a wavering S1, you will hear absolutely nothing on your next channel. Once again, the wavering is a direct result of...taa daaa....skip. Uh... Nooooo. Splatter is the result of a dirty transmitter, Bleed,,splatter,,,,you're wrong, ya' know..a dirty transmitter is but ONE example.............once again you incorrectly claimed that skip does not affect splatter, and are trying to distance yourself from your espoiused ignorance only after you have been corrected, Several educated cbers and hammies have clued you in, but as always, you aer set in your ways and you DO have the right to remain ignorant, depite several people providing you the correct information. and those products show up as a "comb" of harmonics which decrease in amplitude as you move farther away in frequency from the fundamental carrier. If the fundamental signal is +10db over S9, then those distortion products will be plainly heard if they are only 10 db or so down on an adjacent channel. You are arguing with yourself, again. Try this: Your claim of dx has nothing to do with splatter is bull****. Your claim that ony a dirty transmitter splatters,,is absoulte bull****. That same splattering station, when he fades down to an S1 signal, is now so weak, that his adjacent channel splatter products are now under the noise threshold of the receiver. THAT is why you don't hear them. This is quite simple, really....me: 100% correct..you: 100% wrong. When it comes to radio theory, you haven't been correct about a single thing. ....said the self-professed "radio Technician" who has been in radio for "over twenty years" and maintains incorrectly that roger beeps and echos are illeal on cb. 'Nuff said, Dave "Sandbagger" N3CVJ |
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#5
January 10th 05, 05:29 PM
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:40:30 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote: From: (DaveĀ*Hall) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:37:50 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: N3CVJ said The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. It has everything to with it. For the amount of times you professed to having talked skip on the freeband, followed by recent denials of you talking skip, you should know that on MANY occasion, a signal can be severely wavering from an S1 to an S9 (for but one of many examples),,,when that signal is coming in at an S9, the splatter may be intense if you changed the channel and went one up or down. When that signal is coming in on a wavering S1, you will hear absolutely nothing on your next channel. Once again, the wavering is a direct result of...taa daaa....skip. You may not hear anything on the next channel because the signal may not be strong enough or because of "selective fading" . Splatter is caused by the modulation, it may or may not be intensified by skip. But it is not caused by "skip" If you had a constant carrier(no modulation), skip or not, you wouldn't have splatter. |
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#6
January 11th 05, 12:56 PM
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:29:28 GMT, Lancer wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:40:30 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave*Hall) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:37:50 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: N3CVJ said The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. It has everything to with it. For the amount of times you professed to having talked skip on the freeband, followed by recent denials of you talking skip, you should know that on MANY occasion, a signal can be severely wavering from an S1 to an S9 (for but one of many examples),,,when that signal is coming in at an S9, the splatter may be intense if you changed the channel and went one up or down. When that signal is coming in on a wavering S1, you will hear absolutely nothing on your next channel. Once again, the wavering is a direct result of...taa daaa....skip. You may not hear anything on the next channel because the signal may not be strong enough or because of "selective fading" . Splatter is caused by the modulation, it may or may not be intensified by skip. But it is not caused by "skip" If you had a constant carrier(no modulation), skip or not, you wouldn't have splatter. He probably thinks that FM won't skip either...... Dave "Sandbagger" |
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#7
January 11th 05, 01:15 PM
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:56:21 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:29:28 GMT, Lancer wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:40:30 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (DaveĀ*Hall) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:37:50 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: N3CVJ said The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. It has everything to with it. For the amount of times you professed to having talked skip on the freeband, followed by recent denials of you talking skip, you should know that on MANY occasion, a signal can be severely wavering from an S1 to an S9 (for but one of many examples),,,when that signal is coming in at an S9, the splatter may be intense if you changed the channel and went one up or down. When that signal is coming in on a wavering S1, you will hear absolutely nothing on your next channel. Once again, the wavering is a direct result of...taa daaa....skip. You may not hear anything on the next channel because the signal may not be strong enough or because of "selective fading" . Splatter is caused by the modulation, it may or may not be intensified by skip. But it is not caused by "skip" If you had a constant carrier(no modulation), skip or not, you wouldn't have splatter. He probably thinks that FM won't skip either...... Dave "Sandbagger" Who? |
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#8
January 11th 05, 02:47 PM
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:29:28 GMT, Lancer wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:40:30 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave Hall) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:37:50 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: N3CVJ said The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. It has everything to with it. For the amount of times you professed to having talked skip on the freeband, followed by recent denials of you talking skip, you should know that on MANY occasion, a signal can be severely wavering from an S1 to an S9 (for but one of many examples),,,when that signal is coming in at an S9, the splatter may be intense if you changed the channel and went one up or down. When that signal is coming in on a wavering S1, you will hear absolutely nothing on your next channel. Once again, the wavering is a direct result of...taa daaa....skip. You may not hear anything on the next channel because the signal may not be strong enough or because of "selective fading" . Splatter is caused by the modulation, it may or may not be intensified by skip. But it is not caused by "skip" If you had a constant carrier(no modulation), skip or not, you wouldn't have splatter. He probably thinks that FM won't skip either...... Dave "Sandbagger" On the contrary Dave, it does too. Landshark -- Is it so frightening to have me at your shoulder? Thunder and lightning couldn't be bolder. I'll write on your tombstone, ``I thank you for dinner.'' This game that we animals play is a winner. |
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#9
January 11th 05, 01:42 PM
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Lancer wrote:
But it is not caused by "skip" If you had a constant carrier(no modulation), skip or not, you wouldn't have splatter. Same is said for the harmonics Davie is speaking of. |
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#10
January 11th 05, 12:57 PM
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