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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:26:22 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:27:04 -0800, Frank Gilliland wrote: We live in a society. This has obvious benefits, but it also demands some responsibilities. One of those responsibilites is to make sure everyone has a reasonable opportunity to succeed and not become a burden on our society. No, that is not necessarily true. We have the responsibility as a society to provide opportunities. But we bare no responsibility to guarantee success. I said nothing about a guarantee of success, only the opportunity to succeed. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Your horse is drinking from the wrong end if you think an "opportunity" is also a "guarantee". But because there are racist attitudes among many employers, there are fewer opportunities for people of other races. It then becomes the responsibility of everyone else to pick up the slack left by the racists. That's why we have affirmative action. I think we all understand why AA came to be. The problem is that what AA does in essence, is to fight discrimination with reverse discrimination. Yes it is. The difference is that opportunities are lost when racial discrimination is based on prejudice; lost opportunities are regained when discrimination is used to counter the consequences of prejudice. Is it fair, that someone who is not a part of the recognized minority (And this is not just blacks. It could be women, latinos, gays, or anyone who isn't a WASP male), who goes through the right hoops, studies hard, and works to make his place in society, only to have his "place" taken from him and given to an arbitrary person of recognized minority status, who did not work nearly as hard? I think you switched positions in mid-speech, but I understood what you were saying. I lost my job at HP because of AA but I didn't lay down a die. I had a pretty good resume and a fine recommendation. It wasn't long before I had another job. And it worked out for the best since the local HP plant turned sour a short time later. I have plenty of opportunities and I can afford to give up a few for a good cause. So don't blame the government and don't blame people "of color". Blame Canada..... (hehe, just kidding). The problem originates with racist attitudes which have been around for quite a while and aren't going away anytime soon. Minority people share much of the responsibility for their own situation. Many throw up their hands when things get tough and simply blame it on the "white folks". You actually think that kind of projection is exclusive to minorities? Look in the mirror, Dave -- in many of your posts over the years you have clearly stated that you don't want to share the responsibilities of society, so you blame all the country's problems on the liberals. That's prejudice, Dave. While racism is still alive and well in many places, it's a shadow of what it was 50 years ago. It's just hiding in the shadows. And in the airports since the Patriot Act went into effect. Racial profiling, despite Bush's excuse that it weeds out terrorists, is nothing more than racial discrimination based upon prejudice. BTW, ever hear of Mark Fuhrman? He lives in Idaho right across the state line from here, and just a few miles from where Richard Butler had his neo-Nazi compound which drew support from anonymous people all across the nation. But I suppose you're right, racism is pretty much dead, huh? By cooperating with Affirmative Action you are shouldering the responsibilities that are shirked by racist employers, and for that you should be commended -- after all, nobody is forcing you to do business with Issaquah, are they? I'd be curious as to some of the claims of racism. How many people of recognized minority status who claim "racism" or discrimination, are simply playing that card as a cover for simply being inferior to another potential job candidate? I'd be curious to know how many people use that argument to justify their racism? Then you have to consider that the more we make laws and policies that highlight and call attention to our differences, the more they will remain? The answer to true equality in not to emphasize our differences, but to eliminate them. Just one "master race", huh Dave? |
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