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As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and
tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different than the way he has been doing it for years. Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ. Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more progress in this area. I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control the silver box...is that HAM radio? 73 Ray Herron WA0LQT "Dr. A.T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article , says... Charles, I see that you don't much care for progress....or are you just always ornery...bet those who used smoke signals felt the same way when more modern forms of communication came along. snippety As ornery as Charles' reply was (yes, it could have been phrased much better) he does have one valid point: 'Internet' and 'Ham Radio' are two entirely different mediums. Always have been, always will be. IRLP, as I see it, is just a way to get repeater linking done independent of the restrictions of site-based link transceivers. After all, the 'L' in IRLP does stand for 'Linking.' In short: IRLP has its uses, but it will never replace true radio work. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m Motorola Radio Programming & Service Available - http://www.bluefeathertech.com/rf.html "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message
Sounds like cheating. Kinda -- but you still have to break the pileup -- and the pileup is almost instantaneous when the spot hits the reporting networks. with hundreds or thousands calling. The purist abhors the spotting networks -- tunes and searches on his/her own. May take years to achieve DXCC Honor roll this way -- but many have done it. Sure helps to have a full legal limit amp and a 100 foot tower loaded with stacked long john beams. But if DX spotting networks are cheating -- what about the DX Nets which spoon feed the hungry crowd ?? Ah DX IS !!! And what about football -- where some spotter in the stands -- reports a weak spot in the other teams line ???? -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:OEqCb.1618$pm5.11@okepread01... Sounds like cheating. "Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote DX spotting networks are via packet radio or over the internet with telnet. Hams around the world report other DX stations freq, mode, etc. Used to spot rare DX or during contests See URL for a sample: http://oh2aq.kolumbus.com/dxs/oldlook.html? Some discussions at URL: http://outadaloop.com/LIVE10.htm -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard ========================== "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:JEeCb.648$z74.287@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote What's a DX spotting network? I don't do contests, so I'm kind of ignorant about being a paper hanger. |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message
Sounds like cheating. Kinda -- but you still have to break the pileup -- and the pileup is almost instantaneous when the spot hits the reporting networks. with hundreds or thousands calling. The purist abhors the spotting networks -- tunes and searches on his/her own. May take years to achieve DXCC Honor roll this way -- but many have done it. Sure helps to have a full legal limit amp and a 100 foot tower loaded with stacked long john beams. But if DX spotting networks are cheating -- what about the DX Nets which spoon feed the hungry crowd ?? Ah DX IS !!! And what about football -- where some spotter in the stands -- reports a weak spot in the other teams line ???? -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:OEqCb.1618$pm5.11@okepread01... Sounds like cheating. "Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote DX spotting networks are via packet radio or over the internet with telnet. Hams around the world report other DX stations freq, mode, etc. Used to spot rare DX or during contests See URL for a sample: http://oh2aq.kolumbus.com/dxs/oldlook.html? Some discussions at URL: http://outadaloop.com/LIVE10.htm -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard ========================== "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:JEeCb.648$z74.287@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote What's a DX spotting network? I don't do contests, so I'm kind of ignorant about being a paper hanger. |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:gDwCb.1580$z74.949@okepread03... "charlesb" wrote That's right Gene... When the facts do not support your pet position or protocol, you can always go for the mindless personal attacks. Unlike yourself, of course. I predict that in 2004, a manufacturer will produce a ham radio that has a built-in network Wi-Fi and that's how you will control the radio, and pass audio to it. It will either be a proprietary application, or you will use a Netmeeting type of vocoder software. Good idea. Use 13 cm. for the control link. Oh wait, people are already doing that on many different VHF / UHF / SHF bands. Nothing to see here, move along. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:gDwCb.1580$z74.949@okepread03... "charlesb" wrote That's right Gene... When the facts do not support your pet position or protocol, you can always go for the mindless personal attacks. Unlike yourself, of course. I predict that in 2004, a manufacturer will produce a ham radio that has a built-in network Wi-Fi and that's how you will control the radio, and pass audio to it. It will either be a proprietary application, or you will use a Netmeeting type of vocoder software. Good idea. Use 13 cm. for the control link. Oh wait, people are already doing that on many different VHF / UHF / SHF bands. Nothing to see here, move along. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:JEeCb.648$z74.287@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote I've done a bit of research over the past year. Notes are in a folder in the left-hand desk drawer. If you want to see them you have to come visit. Valuable research I'm sure... I'll sell you some. Pretty simple to check the callsigns (where the poster actually admits to having a callsign) against databases like the DX spotting networks. What's a DX spotting network? I don't do contests, so I'm kind of ignorant about being a paper hanger. Where did I say anything about contests? Seems you are ignorant about other things as well. English for example ... you know ... "... like ...". -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:JEeCb.648$z74.287@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote I've done a bit of research over the past year. Notes are in a folder in the left-hand desk drawer. If you want to see them you have to come visit. Valuable research I'm sure... I'll sell you some. Pretty simple to check the callsigns (where the poster actually admits to having a callsign) against databases like the DX spotting networks. What's a DX spotting network? I don't do contests, so I'm kind of ignorant about being a paper hanger. Where did I say anything about contests? Seems you are ignorant about other things as well. English for example ... you know ... "... like ...". -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Dr. A.T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Dr. A.T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... IRLP, as I see it, is just a way to get repeater linking done independent of the restrictions of site-based link transceivers. My feeling is that "hams" who feel that using radio is a "restriction" should consider moving on to another hobby. Tell you what, Charles. When you come up with a method for making a link transceiver pair operate reliably, over a single hop, from, say, Seattle, Washington to Pensacola, Florida, you go ahead and let us all know, OK? Heck, QST will probably be clamoring for the article on it. ;-) As for moving on... Naaah. I've been part of the ham radio scene since 1977. I'm having a blast with it, and I'm not about to stop any time soon. There's balance to be found in everything. IRLP has its place, as does Echolink, but they will never replace radio as a communications medium. They are merely new tools to increase the usability of the radio medium. Methinks a couple of passages from 'The Amateur's Code' are appropriate here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Amateur is Progressive Keeping their station abreast of science. Yup. Radio science ... you did understand that, right? It is well-built and efficient, and ALL operating practice is above reproach. Yup. The Amateur uses radio. The Amateur is Friendly Indeed! Note that this forum is not radio. Slow and patient sending when requested, friendly advice and counsel to the beginner, kindly assistance, co-operation and consideration for the interests of others; these are marks of the amateur spirit. Yes indeed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Maybe you should have asked me what "restrictions" I was talking about before making snap assumptions, hmmmm? ;-) What "restrictions" are you talking about? 73 de KC7GR -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Traveler" wrote in message ... As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and What "new development"? tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different than the way he has been doing it for years. You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point. As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications, slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear. Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ. Beg all you like, you are still wrong. The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?" Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more progress in this area. I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control the silver box...is that HAM radio? Wrong question. Just another stupid obfuscation. 73 Ray Herron WA0LQT -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Traveler" wrote in message ... As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and What "new development"? tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different than the way he has been doing it for years. You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point. As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications, slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear. Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ. Beg all you like, you are still wrong. The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?" Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more progress in this area. I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control the silver box...is that HAM radio? Wrong question. Just another stupid obfuscation. 73 Ray Herron WA0LQT -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
The Amateur is Progressive Keeping their station abreast of science. Yup. Radio science ... you did understand that, right? Nope. Science. If they would have meant radio science, they would have said radio science. Stupid "dogmatic" ****. |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
The Amateur is Progressive Keeping their station abreast of science. Yup. Radio science ... you did understand that, right? Nope. Science. If they would have meant radio science, they would have said radio science. Stupid "dogmatic" ****. |
You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year or two "Hank Oredson" wrote in message ... "Traveler" wrote in message ... As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and What "new development"? tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different than the way he has been doing it for years. You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point. As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications, slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear. Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ. Beg all you like, you are still wrong. The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?" Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more progress in this area. I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control the silver box...is that HAM radio? Wrong question. Just another stupid obfuscation. 73 Ray Herron WA0LQT -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year or two "Hank Oredson" wrote in message ... "Traveler" wrote in message ... As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and What "new development"? tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different than the way he has been doing it for years. You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point. As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications, slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear. Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ. Beg all you like, you are still wrong. The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?" Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more progress in this area. I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control the silver box...is that HAM radio? Wrong question. Just another stupid obfuscation. 73 Ray Herron WA0LQT -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Traveler" wrote in message ... You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year or two Another moron who sees the Internet as the latest advance in radio technology. Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPacket.Net http://www.uspacket.net |
"Traveler" wrote in message ... You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year or two Another moron who sees the Internet as the latest advance in radio technology. Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPacket.Net http://www.uspacket.net |
You have no clue what I think. Which simply shows that
you are not paying much attention to Ham Radio. Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net "Traveler" wrote in message ... You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year or two "Hank Oredson" wrote in message ... "Traveler" wrote in message ... As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and What "new development"? tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different than the way he has been doing it for years. You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point. As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications, slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear. Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ. Beg all you like, you are still wrong. The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?" Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more progress in this area. I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control the silver box...is that HAM radio? Wrong question. Just another stupid obfuscation. 73 Ray Herron WA0LQT -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
You have no clue what I think. Which simply shows that
you are not paying much attention to Ham Radio. Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net "Traveler" wrote in message ... You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year or two "Hank Oredson" wrote in message ... "Traveler" wrote in message ... As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and What "new development"? tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different than the way he has been doing it for years. You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point. As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications, slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear. Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ. Beg all you like, you are still wrong. The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?" Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more progress in this area. I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control the silver box...is that HAM radio? Wrong question. Just another stupid obfuscation. 73 Ray Herron WA0LQT -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? What you are trying to say, is that there is nothing new. It's not really a question, it is an indictment. One of your continuing themes in this group has been that you know what is good for everyone, and that your "religion" is the correct one, and everyone else is going to "hell". IRLP is nothing more than a solution to a need, that gives people an added joy to their hobby. Like packet radio, it will probably be fun for a few years, and then people will drop it and go off to something that is more fun/different. A good friend of mine used to say "I don't build repeaters anymore, because it attracts the wrong people to the hobby." Packet radio is the same problem. The people it attracts don't even care to adjust their hardware. IRLP will attract the wrong people to the hobby, and the people who built it will go off and start a new project. It's nothing to get upset over. |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? What you are trying to say, is that there is nothing new. It's not really a question, it is an indictment. One of your continuing themes in this group has been that you know what is good for everyone, and that your "religion" is the correct one, and everyone else is going to "hell". IRLP is nothing more than a solution to a need, that gives people an added joy to their hobby. Like packet radio, it will probably be fun for a few years, and then people will drop it and go off to something that is more fun/different. A good friend of mine used to say "I don't build repeaters anymore, because it attracts the wrong people to the hobby." Packet radio is the same problem. The people it attracts don't even care to adjust their hardware. IRLP will attract the wrong people to the hobby, and the people who built it will go off and start a new project. It's nothing to get upset over. |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:ExCDb.2070$6l1.233@okepread03... It's nothing to get upset over. You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPacket.Net http://www.uspacket.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:ExCDb.2070$6l1.233@okepread03... It's nothing to get upset over. You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPacket.Net http://www.uspacket.net |
"charlesb" wrote
You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. Name five. You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. You wouldn't know a ham at a convention of hams. You are probably the biggest asshole on Earth, and I've never ever heard one ham say anything nice about you. Why is that? I'm about as anti-ham as Hiram Maxim was (a real ham, who would be rolling over in his grave at what the ARRL is doing in his name). Real hams aren't sheep. You're sheep. |
"charlesb" wrote
You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. Name five. You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. You wouldn't know a ham at a convention of hams. You are probably the biggest asshole on Earth, and I've never ever heard one ham say anything nice about you. Why is that? I'm about as anti-ham as Hiram Maxim was (a real ham, who would be rolling over in his grave at what the ARRL is doing in his name). Real hams aren't sheep. You're sheep. |
Gene,
Do you have any idea why the name calling by this fellow? Most HAMs I know are considerate of others opinions or at least will discuss with a civil tone but Charlesb seems to be ignorant when it comes to discussing ideas. What's his problem? "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:gsNDb.2103$6l1.1387@okepread03... "charlesb" wrote You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. Name five. You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. You wouldn't know a ham at a convention of hams. You are probably the biggest asshole on Earth, and I've never ever heard one ham say anything nice about you. Why is that? I'm about as anti-ham as Hiram Maxim was (a real ham, who would be rolling over in his grave at what the ARRL is doing in his name). Real hams aren't sheep. You're sheep. |
Gene,
Do you have any idea why the name calling by this fellow? Most HAMs I know are considerate of others opinions or at least will discuss with a civil tone but Charlesb seems to be ignorant when it comes to discussing ideas. What's his problem? "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:gsNDb.2103$6l1.1387@okepread03... "charlesb" wrote You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. Name five. You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. You wouldn't know a ham at a convention of hams. You are probably the biggest asshole on Earth, and I've never ever heard one ham say anything nice about you. Why is that? I'm about as anti-ham as Hiram Maxim was (a real ham, who would be rolling over in his grave at what the ARRL is doing in his name). Real hams aren't sheep. You're sheep. |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:ExCDb.2070$6l1.233@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? What you are trying to say, is that there is nothing new. It's not really a question, it is an indictment. One of your continuing themes in this group has been that you know what is good for everyone, and that your "religion" is the correct one, and everyone else is going to "hell". Care to tell us just what this "new development" is? Too hard for you, eh? IRLP is nothing more than a solution to a need, that gives people an added joy to their hobby. Like packet radio, it will probably be fun for a few years, and then people will drop it and go off to something that is more fun/different. Just like leased phone line linked receivers / transmitters way back in the early 1950s. Like I said ... what's new here? A good friend of mine used to say "I don't build repeaters anymore, because it attracts the wrong people to the hobby." Packet radio is the same problem. The people it attracts don't even care to adjust their hardware. Eh? IRLP will attract the wrong people to the hobby, and the people who built it will go off and start a new project. Sure, so what? It's nothing to get upset over. Who's upset? I'm not. Just asked some questions. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:ExCDb.2070$6l1.233@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? What you are trying to say, is that there is nothing new. It's not really a question, it is an indictment. One of your continuing themes in this group has been that you know what is good for everyone, and that your "religion" is the correct one, and everyone else is going to "hell". Care to tell us just what this "new development" is? Too hard for you, eh? IRLP is nothing more than a solution to a need, that gives people an added joy to their hobby. Like packet radio, it will probably be fun for a few years, and then people will drop it and go off to something that is more fun/different. Just like leased phone line linked receivers / transmitters way back in the early 1950s. Like I said ... what's new here? A good friend of mine used to say "I don't build repeaters anymore, because it attracts the wrong people to the hobby." Packet radio is the same problem. The people it attracts don't even care to adjust their hardware. Eh? IRLP will attract the wrong people to the hobby, and the people who built it will go off and start a new project. Sure, so what? It's nothing to get upset over. Who's upset? I'm not. Just asked some questions. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:gsNDb.2103$6l1.1387@okepread03... "charlesb" wrote You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. Name five. Why? You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. You wouldn't know a ham at a convention of hams. You are probably the biggest asshole on Earth, and I've never ever heard one ham say anything nice about you. Why is that? Ya gonna answer my simple question? I'm about as anti-ham as Hiram Maxim was (a real ham, who would be rolling over in his grave at what the ARRL is doing in his name). Real hams aren't sheep. You're sheep. Real hams answer simple question asked by other hams. Real hams use their callsign. You have one? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:gsNDb.2103$6l1.1387@okepread03... "charlesb" wrote You keep forgetting Gene that some hams actually do care about the hobby. Name five. Why? You can try to project your hostile, anti-ham attitude upon other hams, but fortunately most hams are better people than you are, and the anti-ham attitude just doesn't stick. You wouldn't know a ham at a convention of hams. You are probably the biggest asshole on Earth, and I've never ever heard one ham say anything nice about you. Why is that? Ya gonna answer my simple question? I'm about as anti-ham as Hiram Maxim was (a real ham, who would be rolling over in his grave at what the ARRL is doing in his name). Real hams aren't sheep. You're sheep. Real hams answer simple question asked by other hams. Real hams use their callsign. You have one? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Traveler" wrote
Charlesb seems to be ignorant when it comes to discussing ideas. What's his problem? I suspect either a chemical imbalance in the brain, or substance abuse. He's chosen a fringe part of the hobby and built a box that he can't get out of. So when people walk by the box he can either scream for help, or make mouse like noises to try and scare them. So far he's not asked for help. He's the "director" after all, and couldn't ask for help now, because he is too important. |
"Traveler" wrote
Charlesb seems to be ignorant when it comes to discussing ideas. What's his problem? I suspect either a chemical imbalance in the brain, or substance abuse. He's chosen a fringe part of the hobby and built a box that he can't get out of. So when people walk by the box he can either scream for help, or make mouse like noises to try and scare them. So far he's not asked for help. He's the "director" after all, and couldn't ask for help now, because he is too important. |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
"Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? What you are trying to say, is that there is nothing new. It's not really a question, it is an indictment. One of your continuing themes in this group has been that you know what is good for everyone, and that your "religion" is the correct one, and everyone else is going to "hell". Care to tell us just what this "new development" is? Too hard for you, eh? There's been a couple new developments since the 50's. The first is virtually free VOIP (Voice over IP) vocoders and the Internet. Combining these two into a peer to peer network of voice repeaters while functionally similar to things done in the past, is technically a new development. It's not just plug and play, someone had to develop the software/hardware solution. eh? |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
"Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question, or is that too hard for you? What "new development"? What you are trying to say, is that there is nothing new. It's not really a question, it is an indictment. One of your continuing themes in this group has been that you know what is good for everyone, and that your "religion" is the correct one, and everyone else is going to "hell". Care to tell us just what this "new development" is? Too hard for you, eh? There's been a couple new developments since the 50's. The first is virtually free VOIP (Voice over IP) vocoders and the Internet. Combining these two into a peer to peer network of voice repeaters while functionally similar to things done in the past, is technically a new development. It's not just plug and play, someone had to develop the software/hardware solution. eh? |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
Real hams answer simple question asked by other hams. Real hams use their callsign. You have one? I don't understand your fixation with "real hams." I guess if I did, I'd be as mentally ill as you are. P.S. this forum doesn't require FCC ID. If you want to know my callsign, look it up in qrz.com. Even a moron could work his way out of that paper bag. |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
Real hams answer simple question asked by other hams. Real hams use their callsign. You have one? I don't understand your fixation with "real hams." I guess if I did, I'd be as mentally ill as you are. P.S. this forum doesn't require FCC ID. If you want to know my callsign, look it up in qrz.com. Even a moron could work his way out of that paper bag. |
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