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Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"Charles Brabham" wrote

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"virtually irrelevant to an investment-centered economy."--
James V. DeLong, Washington DC based Lawyer, and
Director of the Center for the Study of Digital Property.

"Linux" (the OS) is about 1% of what you get in any Linux
distribution. The kernel of Microsoft Windows has evolved
to the same code. That is, Windows started out as a non-
threaded, non-preemptive, single user, multi-tasking OS,
where today, its kernel is pretty much indistinquishable
in function from 70's Unix or 90's Linux. OS is OS.

As a software developer, your choice today is not about
Open Source, or Market Based software, it is about earning
a high salary. Think of an open-end wrench sold by Sears.

Whether or not this open-end wrench is the product of Open
Source forge, or a Market Based forge, is of no consequence.
The person who gets the wrench (tool) is able to earn a high
salary manipulating the tool for his/her customers.

Take a database engine, for example: MySQL. Here we have
a tool that is basically free (as is the open-end wrench), and the
person who uses the tool is able to maintain a high salary.
That same person could have chosen a different database
engine, for example: Oracle. In that case, the high salary is
dependant on a higher total cost, and customers preference.

For example, it would be missing the market to deliver MySQL
to a shop of Oracle developers, just as it would be missing
the market to deliver a base-10 open-end wrench to a base-12
shop of mechanics.

"Charles Brabham" wrote

http://www.techcentralstation.com/012204A.html

"virtually irrelevant to an investment-centered economy."--
James V. DeLong, Washington DC based Lawyer, and
Director of the Center for the Study of Digital Property.

"Linux" (the OS) is about 1% of what you get in any Linux
distribution. The kernel of Microsoft Windows has evolved
to the same code. That is, Windows started out as a non-
threaded, non-preemptive, single user, multi-tasking OS,
where today, its kernel is pretty much indistinquishable
in function from 70's Unix or 90's Linux. OS is OS.

As a software developer, your choice today is not about
Open Source, or Market Based software, it is about earning
a high salary. Think of an open-end wrench sold by Sears.

Whether or not this open-end wrench is the product of Open
Source forge, or a Market Based forge, is of no consequence.
The person who gets the wrench (tool) is able to earn a high
salary manipulating the tool for his/her customers.

Take a database engine, for example: MySQL. Here we have
a tool that is basically free (as is the open-end wrench), and the
person who uses the tool is able to maintain a high salary.
That same person could have chosen a different database
engine, for example: Oracle. In that case, the high salary is
dependant on a higher total cost, and customers preference.

For example, it would be missing the market to deliver MySQL
to a shop of Oracle developers, just as it would be missing
the market to deliver a base-10 open-end wrench to a base-12
shop of mechanics.

Charles Brabham wrote:
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Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Thats just a bunch of classic FUD, he's a funny guy.
He's wrong in so many places that I won't waste my
time trying to point them out. I'm busy shipping a
fix to a GPL'ed library and a GPL'ed application so
I'd say the model is working fine.

Is he blind or just pro microsoft ?
The site is full of microsoft ads, go figure.
I know it hurts that microsoft is being killed in the
server market, he even tries to write down the numbers.
Fortunately, the facts are available elsewhe
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5139511.html

Ham radio used to be about helping others, build
things, experiment, cooperate and kindly assist the
beginner. Thats just what the open source is about,
create and share to to let everyone improve.

73 de Per
sm0rwo

Charles Brabham wrote:
http://www.techcentralstation.com/012204A.html

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Thats just a bunch of classic FUD, he's a funny guy.
He's wrong in so many places that I won't waste my
time trying to point them out. I'm busy shipping a
fix to a GPL'ed library and a GPL'ed application so
I'd say the model is working fine.

Is he blind or just pro microsoft ?
The site is full of microsoft ads, go figure.
I know it hurts that microsoft is being killed in the
server market, he even tries to write down the numbers.
Fortunately, the facts are available elsewhe
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5139511.html

Ham radio used to be about helping others, build
things, experiment, cooperate and kindly assist the
beginner. Thats just what the open source is about,
create and share to to let everyone improve.

73 de Per
sm0rwo

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
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"Charles Brabham" wrote

http://www.techcentralstation.com/012204A.html

"virtually irrelevant to an investment-centered economy."--
James V. DeLong, Washington DC based Lawyer, and
Director of the Center for the Study of Digital Property.

"Linux" (the OS) is about 1% of what you get in any Linux
distribution. snip

.... which would have been a relavant reply if Mr. DeLong had said "virtually
irrelevant to an investment-centered economy." as a description of Linux.

What he actually said was:

--------- quote ------------------------------------------
"The open source theorists know perfectly well that the model might
translate to academia, but not beyond that. In fact, they have another model
in mind, which is to make content free, tax the hardware industry, and then
distribute the revenues to the creative community according to some
complicated government-run formula. (See the work of the Berkman Center, or
the Electronic Frontier Foundation.) To even think about this produces a
shudder, given the government's unblemished and bipartisan record of pork,
politics, and destruction in every industry it touches. (Think schools,
energy, telecom.) It is also not even open source, particularly; it is just
socialization of the creative sector.

The big question is, Why would anyone want to go down this road? As noted
before in these pages, the concept that "price should equal marginal cost
even when that is zero" is a product of an artificial logic from which all
the reality has been stripped, and is virtually irrelevant to an
investment-centered economy. "

---------- unquote ---------------------------------

He commented on the socialization of the creative sector, not directly about
Linux OS, as your confused and confusing reply - implies.

Charles, N5PVL

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
news:V6QQb.6638$ce2.2903@okepread03...
"Charles Brabham" wrote

http://www.techcentralstation.com/012204A.html

"virtually irrelevant to an investment-centered economy."--
James V. DeLong, Washington DC based Lawyer, and
Director of the Center for the Study of Digital Property.

"Linux" (the OS) is about 1% of what you get in any Linux
distribution. snip

.... which would have been a relavant reply if Mr. DeLong had said "virtually
irrelevant to an investment-centered economy." as a description of Linux.

What he actually said was:

--------- quote ------------------------------------------
"The open source theorists know perfectly well that the model might
translate to academia, but not beyond that. In fact, they have another model
in mind, which is to make content free, tax the hardware industry, and then
distribute the revenues to the creative community according to some
complicated government-run formula. (See the work of the Berkman Center, or
the Electronic Frontier Foundation.) To even think about this produces a
shudder, given the government's unblemished and bipartisan record of pork,
politics, and destruction in every industry it touches. (Think schools,
energy, telecom.) It is also not even open source, particularly; it is just
socialization of the creative sector.

The big question is, Why would anyone want to go down this road? As noted
before in these pages, the concept that "price should equal marginal cost
even when that is zero" is a product of an artificial logic from which all
the reality has been stripped, and is virtually irrelevant to an
investment-centered economy. "

---------- unquote ---------------------------------

He commented on the socialization of the creative sector, not directly about
Linux OS, as your confused and confusing reply - implies.

Charles, N5PVL

"Charles Brabham" wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote

"virtually irrelevant to an investment-centered economy."--
James V. DeLong, Washington DC based Lawyer, and
Director of the Center for the Study of Digital Property.

"Linux" (the OS) is about 1% of what you get in any Linux
distribution. snip

... which would have been a relavant reply if Mr. DeLong had said "virtually
irrelevant to an investment-centered economy." as a description of Linux.

I don't think he even mentioned Linux, but you did in the subject title.

The lawyers argument is merely that he believes there is a thing called
Intellectual Property (IP), and that it is worth billions in his industry.

What he's talking about is bigger than Linux. IP includes such things as
a car with a red exterior and a brown interior, and if you are the first to
select these colors, than Solicitors can bring you money. God help you
if you put golden arches or the Olympic rings on there as well...

"Charles Brabham" wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote

"virtually irrelevant to an investment-centered economy."--
James V. DeLong, Washington DC based Lawyer, and
Director of the Center for the Study of Digital Property.

"Linux" (the OS) is about 1% of what you get in any Linux
distribution. snip

... which would have been a relavant reply if Mr. DeLong had said "virtually
irrelevant to an investment-centered economy." as a description of Linux.

I don't think he even mentioned Linux, but you did in the subject title.

The lawyers argument is merely that he believes there is a thing called
Intellectual Property (IP), and that it is worth billions in his industry.

What he's talking about is bigger than Linux. IP includes such things as
a car with a red exterior and a brown interior, and if you are the first to
select these colors, than Solicitors can bring you money. God help you
if you put golden arches or the Olympic rings on there as well...

Great discussion, wrong group.

73 (a radio term),

Phil - N4GWV (an amateur radios call)