naming names - DX lids
 

OK, there hasn't been much posted here lately that's actually about DX,
so here goes...

Just worked 6O0N on 20 meters CW. The QSO would have happened much
faster if not for some of the stations listed below:

6O0N: KN5??
Callers: K7LB KC6AWX KA5TQF

6O0N: VE7??
Callers: W6VM AB9H KA5TQF

6O0N: KC6AWX 5NN
Callers: several, but NOT KC6AWX!

6O0N: W9WI 5NN
Caller: K7LB
(I *did* complete the QSO successfully)

6O0N: KA5TQF 5NN
Callers: VE7AHA VE2FVD AA6W (but NOT KA5TQF!)

6O0N: WB??
Caller: AA6W

There are, of course, some patterns here. You can also rest assured the
stations mentioned weren't the only lids calling DX they apparently
can't copy. (I was listening in 500Hz bandwidth on the second receiver
so only heard about 1/4 of the pileup at any given time)

Yes, when the 6O came back to KC6AWX, and later when he came back to
KA5TQF, they didn't hear him... they were calling a DX station they
couldn't hear... I suppose that's probably not a surprise to the real
DXers on this forum... At least to TQF's credit, he did copy the 6O on
the third try...

Add to that the European station who decided to call CQ dead on top of
the 6O without bothering to ask whether the frequency was in use...
(but much to my pleasant surprise, nobody but the 6O told him to QSY...)
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Ham stuff for sale:
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Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
OK, there hasn't been much posted here lately that's actually about DX,
so here goes...
[ Lids in Pileups ]

I absolutely share your sentiments. Right now I am listening to
FH/G3TXF on 7022kHz. He is doing a great job, working a good
rate. After observing where he hears, I worked him after two
calls (700W, Dipole). Now that I have worked him, I am leaning
back and have a listen to people calling him; a sad pictu

DF3?
ja5aqc f5tni rn3ok

DF3L?
ja5aqc f5tni rn3ok

OK1 5nn
ur5fav

on TXF's QRG: "ANT TEST DE F5VHZ/P CQ CQ de F5VHZ/P PSE K"
"CQ de F5VHZ/P ANT TEST" -- "QSY QSY" "PSE QSY"
"QRZ de F5VHZ" "LID"
(he absolutely doesn't realize what he is doing!)

QRZ? FH/G3TXF up

SV8DKI? 5nn
ur8mg

G3?B?
ur5fav

G3 G3?
ut5vx ut5vx i3 ur8mg

(NB: I was listening up 2kHz with a narrow filter, although TXF
listened somewhere else most of the time.)

And so on, just a few minutes randomly picked up. It can always
happen that one sends his callsign *once* at the wrong time, for
whatever reason, but the calls I mentioned above were all heard
*several* times, so it's clear to me that they do it on purpose --
how very liddish!
I am sure that one could make a list of *hundreds* of calls with
lids who do this.

Another thing I observed last night, right after the CQWW 160m
ended, was 3V8DLH, calling "CQ WEST COAST", but some EUs,
especially DL4JNB, just kept calling. That made me unbelievably
angry, but I am not one of those who start complaining about it
on the DX frequency!

People need to learn that they are much more successful DXers
when they *LISTEN* before they call! Of the above mentioned
callsigns, some have *still* not made it through the pileup at
the time of writing, although they are certainly not the weakest.

The more I think about it, the more respect I have for guys like
G3TXF, who, in spite of all the horrible lids, QRMers, etc, still
go on DXpeditions and do a great job working their pileups!

73,
--
Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK/AD5UR * Dresden, Germany * http://fkurz.net/
Last 500 QSOs: http://dl0tud.tu-dresden.de/~dj1yfk/log.html

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:14:54 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:

OK, there hasn't been much posted here lately that's actually about DX,
so here goes...

Just worked 6O0N on 20 meters CW. The QSO would have happened much
faster if not for some of the stations listed below:

6O0N: KN5??
Callers: K7LB KC6AWX KA5TQF

6O0N: VE7??
Callers: W6VM AB9H KA5TQF

6O0N: KC6AWX 5NN
Callers: several, but NOT KC6AWX!

6O0N: W9WI 5NN
Caller: K7LB
(I *did* complete the QSO successfully)

6O0N: KA5TQF 5NN
Callers: VE7AHA VE2FVD AA6W (but NOT KA5TQF!)

6O0N: WB??
Caller: AA6W

There are, of course, some patterns here. You can also rest assured the
stations mentioned weren't the only lids calling DX they apparently
can't copy. (I was listening in 500Hz bandwidth on the second receiver
so only heard about 1/4 of the pileup at any given time)

Yes, when the 6O came back to KC6AWX, and later when he came back to
KA5TQF, they didn't hear him... they were calling a DX station they
couldn't hear... I suppose that's probably not a surprise to the real
DXers on this forum... At least to TQF's credit, he did copy the 6O on
the third try...

Add to that the European station who decided to call CQ dead on top of
the 6O without bothering to ask whether the frequency was in use...
(but much to my pleasant surprise, nobody but the 6O told him to QSY...)

interesting I was always told how much better all cw op were than
vioce and date ops like myself

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Fabian Kurz wrote:
And so on, just a few minutes randomly picked up. It can always
happen that one sends his callsign *once* at the wrong time, for
whatever reason, but the calls I mentioned above were all heard
*several* times, so it's clear to me that they do it on purpose --
how very liddish!

Yep, a single "oops" is understandable -- when one transmits every time
the DX stops (and even sometimes when he doesn't!) it's pretty obvious
one don't know what they're doing. It's even more obvious when the DX
comes back to one and they keep calling anyway!

I am sure that one could make a list of *hundreds* of calls with
lids who do this.

Unfortunately, true.

(and with regard to the other reply, I guarantee you the same thing
happens on SSB. To be honest I usually don't even bother with
split-frequency SSB pileups as I usually can't find the guy the DX is
working to figure out where he's listening. (and calling blind on some
random frequency, hoping the DX happens to find me, is not my idea of
fun...))

(Don't have enough experience in digimodes to form an informed opinion.
I did work 5H1C on 15m RTTY just a few minutes later & didn't have any
lid problems. Though that could be because nobody realized 15 was
opengrin, the 5H was CQing his head off usually with no replies.)

People need to learn that they are much more successful DXers
when they *LISTEN* before they call! Of the above mentioned
callsigns, some have *still* not made it through the pileup at
the time of writing, although they are certainly not the weakest.

I guess I always figured there were people calling in pileups who
couldn't hear the DX. I was surprised (maybe naive?) to hear two
blatant examples in just a few minutes.

The more I think about it, the more respect I have for guys like
G3TXF, who, in spite of all the horrible lids, QRMers, etc, still
go on DXpeditions and do a great job working their pileups!

Absolutely! I do pretty well with computer-generated pileups but fear I
wouldn't be nearly as good at the real thing.

G3TXF is one of the best CW ops out there. The day he decides to hang
up his passport & stay home will be a sad day in the DX world...
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Ham stuff for sale:
http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm

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I am not sure if this is appropriate under this subject, but it may
help explain what is going on. A few weeks ago I spent an evening
when 80 meters was open to Europe listening around the lower CW
portion of the band. Several stations were CQ'ing with no callers,
but they would have an instant pile up shortly after I "spotted" them
on the clusters. I suspect many of these had called before ever
hearing the DX station.

Horses are the only animal I know whose body can travel in separate
parts. Unfortunately, we all know which part we most frequently
encounter on the bands....

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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:58:55 -0500, N1KI wrote:

I am not sure if this is appropriate under this subject, but it may
help explain what is going on. A few weeks ago I spent an evening
when 80 meters was open to Europe listening around the lower CW
portion of the band. Several stations were CQ'ing with no callers,
but they would have an instant pile up shortly after I "spotted" them
on the clusters. I suspect many of these had called before ever
hearing the DX station.

So stop spotting them. If there were no spots, folks would actually
have to listen and find the DX. And the DX would actually have to
give out their calls and announce where they are listening more
frequently, which would be refreshing.

naming names - DX lids
 

N1KI wrote:
I am not sure if this is appropriate under this subject, but it may
help explain what is going on. A few weeks ago I spent an evening
when 80 meters was open to Europe listening around the lower CW
portion of the band. Several stations were CQ'ing with no callers,
but they would have an instant pile up shortly after I "spotted" them
on the clusters. I suspect many of these had called before ever
hearing the DX station.

I think you're probably right on the mark here. I suppose it's
*possible* they heard a pileup & figured they'd just join in (it did
happen in the days before packet) but that high in the band (14035) it
seems rather unlikely.

I don't blame the packet system. (heck, that's how *I* knew the 6O was
there) One would, however, think common sense would tell people even if
you do know which DX station is there, you're going to have to be able
to hear him to make a QSO!

It would be an interesting exercise... for a DXpedition to use custom
software... that issues a random code number for each QSO... and
transmits it. If you want a QSL, you have to provide the right code for
your QSO. I wonder what it would do to the QSL rate if you *had* to
copy the DX?

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Ham stuff for sale:
http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm

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Doug Smith W9WI wrote:

You can also rest assured the stations mentioned weren't the only
lids calling DX they apparently can't copy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hopefully you sent a copy of your email to each of the offenders.

73, Bill W6WRT

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Wes Stewart wrote:

So stop spotting them. If there were no spots, folks would actually
have to listen and find the DX. And the DX would actually have to
give out their calls and announce where they are listening more
frequently, which would be refreshing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Amen. Too bad we can't "uninvent" all kinds of spotting. It's a curse,
even though I admit I use it from time to time. A character flaw, to be
sure.

73, Bill W6WRT

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Wes Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:58:55 -0500, N1KI wrote:

I am not sure if this is appropriate under this subject, but it may
help explain what is going on. A few weeks ago I spent an evening
when 80 meters was open to Europe listening around the lower CW
portion of the band. Several stations were CQ'ing with no callers,
but they would have an instant pile up shortly after I "spotted" them
on the clusters. I suspect many of these had called before ever
hearing the DX station.

So stop spotting them. If there were no spots, folks would actually
have to listen and find the DX. And the DX would actually have to
give out their calls and announce where they are listening more
frequently, which would be refreshing.

Instead, we have a contest "who spots first and does so ith the most precise
QSX information at the time of the QSO".

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Paul Lincke ist dem Zille sein Milhaud.

(Harry Rowohlt)

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Doug Smith W9WI wrote:

It would be an interesting exercise... for a DXpedition to use custom
software... that issues a random code number for each QSO... and
transmits it. If you want a QSL, you have to provide the right code for
your QSO. I wonder what it would do to the QSL rate if you *had* to
copy the DX?

That's one heck of a good idea! Alternatively, you can just key the random
code back. If correct, you get "TU", if not, you have two more tries.

Third try without luck is a "not in log".

I like that.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Paul Lincke ist dem Zille sein Milhaud.

(Harry Rowohlt)

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On 1 Feb 2006 18:02:20 GMT, "Bill Turner" wrote:

Wes Stewart wrote:

So stop spotting them. If there were no spots, folks would actually
have to listen and find the DX. And the DX would actually have to
give out their calls and announce where they are listening more
frequently, which would be refreshing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Amen. Too bad we can't "uninvent" all kinds of spotting. It's a curse,
even though I admit I use it from time to time. A character flaw, to be
sure.

I've been "flawed" a few times by peeking at an Internet cluster (is
that what they're called?) to get a feel for propagation. Although I
have a computer in the shack for logging it's not Internet enabled and
I don't use packet. (Two-meters should only be used for EME and
meteor scatter (g))

So my looking at spots requires going in another room and booting the
XYL off the computer. Needless to say, the wise thing to do is locate
my own DX. Besides, the guy who "spotted" them first actually spotted
them first without a spot. Somebody's got to do it.

Another thing that would help (and I think I've seen this happen) is
for the DX station to monitor the spots and as soon as he's spotted he
QSYs.

Or the DX could do like one DXpedition op did. He was on 14.195 and
announced, "Listening up 5 to 10 (pause) and 14.190. I worked him on
14.190 on the first call. Heh heh.

Wes N7WS

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Walt Davidson wrote:
A very frequent problem here in Europe is that we *can* hear the DX
station, but he is constantly QRM'd by European stations calling or
tuning on his transmit frequency, or trying to act the "policeman" by
sending "UP UP UP", "IDIOT", etc, etc.

Yeah, unfortunately that's why my suggestion was mostly tongue-in-cheek.

Of course, it's one thing for you to hear "...YY 5NN" and believe you're
in order to call. It's something entirely different to call after
hearing "...5JT 5NN"! (certainly in my original post the example lids
were completely & totally off-base!)

especially by DXpeditions that only give their own callsign once every
20 or 30 QSOs!

Yeah, for a few minutes the other day I thought I was listening to UPAA
on 40 meters - maybe some kind of Russian special-events station?

Nope, it was a DXpedition that wanted callers 11KHz above his transmit
frequency...

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Ham stuff for sale:
http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm

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\Wes Stewart wrote:

On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:58:55 -0500, N1KI wrote:


I am not sure if this is appropriate under this subject, but it may
help explain what is going on. A few weeks ago I spent an evening
when 80 meters was open to Europe listening around the lower CW
portion of the band. Several stations were CQ'ing with no callers,
but they would have an instant pile up shortly after I "spotted" them
on the clusters. I suspect many of these had called before ever
hearing the DX station.


So stop spotting them. If there were no spots, folks would actually
have to listen and find the DX. And the DX would actually have to
give out their calls and announce where they are listening more
frequently, which would be refreshing.

NAW!!! No need to stop spotting them. Use spotting to your advantage!
grin

Example: LA4WD is actually working 14010.0 QSX +2

Simply spot them as working 14020.0 QSX +5.

Results: Those who hear 'em work 'em. Those who chase spots are gone !!!!!

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"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...

I have had the experience of operating from several spots in the world would
be considered DX. I guess the most activity would have been from the
Marshall Islands. I was KX6AA in the early 80s.

Hands down the best operators were the Japanese. If you told them to QRX
they did, if you said JA 1,2, etc. That's all that answered. I can't say
the same for Stateside.

So I ended up making a black list, and sticking by it. But from what I
hear now-a-days that won't help, they will just keep calling anyway. Why
is that? Because they read it on the packet cluster and really can't copy
CW anyway. Lidism to the max. What a deal.

Dan/W4NTI

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"N1KI" wrote in message
...
I am not sure if this is appropriate under this subject, but it may
help explain what is going on. A few weeks ago I spent an evening
when 80 meters was open to Europe listening around the lower CW
portion of the band. Several stations were CQ'ing with no callers,
but they would have an instant pile up shortly after I "spotted" them
on the clusters. I suspect many of these had called before ever
hearing the DX station.

Horses are the only animal I know whose body can travel in separate
parts. Unfortunately, we all know which part we most frequently
encounter on the bands....

You know the answer as well as the rest of the DX savvy know. Those dang
clusters are so easy, folks don't tune any more. They just sit and let the
cluster beep a new one.

I was in a contest not too long ago. I worked a BUNCH of stations on 40
meters and it started to slow down a bit. I then suddenly was deluged with
callers. ALL DUPES....every single one DUPES.

So I just went QRT. After the contest was over I checked the spots for
W4NTI....guess what? At the time of the "strange happs" guess what someone
listed on the freq I was on? W4TNI. Yep.

Dan/W4NTI

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"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
...
On 1 Feb 2006 18:02:20 GMT, "Bill Turner" wrote:

Wes Stewart wrote:

So stop spotting them. If there were no spots, folks would actually
have to listen and find the DX. And the DX would actually have to
give out their calls and announce where they are listening more
frequently, which would be refreshing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Amen. Too bad we can't "uninvent" all kinds of spotting. It's a curse,
even though I admit I use it from time to time. A character flaw, to be
sure.

I've been "flawed" a few times by peeking at an Internet cluster (is
that what they're called?) to get a feel for propagation. Although I
have a computer in the shack for logging it's not Internet enabled and
I don't use packet. (Two-meters should only be used for EME and
meteor scatter (g))

So my looking at spots requires going in another room and booting the
XYL off the computer. Needless to say, the wise thing to do is locate
my own DX. Besides, the guy who "spotted" them first actually spotted
them first without a spot. Somebody's got to do it.

Another thing that would help (and I think I've seen this happen) is
for the DX station to monitor the spots and as soon as he's spotted he
QSYs.

Or the DX could do like one DXpedition op did. He was on 14.195 and
announced, "Listening up 5 to 10 (pause) and 14.190. I worked him on
14.190 on the first call. Heh heh.

Wes N7WS

What's wrong with using the technology and THEN listen on the frequency and
see if you can actually HEAR the DX before calling? Now that is a radical
thought.

Dan/W4NTI

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there) One would, however, think common sense would tell people even if
you do know which DX station is there, you're going to have to be able to
hear him to make a QSO!

Not really....let me explain how that works in today's computer world.

You call and call and call and hope he hears you. Then you check the
internet automatic log to see if your call shows up. In the meantime you
keep calling.

See?

Dan/W4NTI

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There's another strange 'cluster spotting' phenomenon that I don't
understand at all. Tonight, LZ4UU was on 40 cw sending his or her
call frequently. There were 4 consecutives spots for LZ1UU (not 4)
on exactly the same freq (7001.5) at 0211, 0217, 0219 and 0220 UT
by four (apparently) different people. The station always sent 4,
never 1, while I was listening. How does one explain that?

Derek
aa5bt

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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

there) One would, however, think common sense would tell people even if
you do know which DX station is there, you're going to have to be able to
hear him to make a QSO!

Not really....let me explain how that works in today's computer world.

You call and call and call and hope he hears you. Then you check the
internet automatic log to see if your call shows up. In the meantime you
keep calling.

See?


So you find something interesting and work them.

Spot them right away, gets the competition busy trying to work them,
while you keep tuning and find something more interesting to work.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

--

... Hank

http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson
http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli

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Dan you better get OUT of Ham Radio right away....you obviously have a
strong predisposition towards masochism.
Too bad you'll never get the rest of the world to run their stations and
work DX "your way". You STINK....

--

Charlie-AD5TH
www.ad5th.com


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

there) One would, however, think common sense would tell people even if
you do know which DX station is there, you're going to have to be able to
hear him to make a QSO!

Not really....let me explain how that works in today's computer world.

You call and call and call and hope he hears you. Then you check the
internet automatic log to see if your call shows up. In the meantime you
keep calling.

See?

Dan/W4NTI

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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
there) One would, however, think common sense would tell people even if
you do know which DX station is there, you're going to have to be able to
hear him to make a QSO!


Not really....let me explain how that works in today's computer world.

You call and call and call and hope he hears you. Then you check the
internet automatic log to see if your call shows up. In the meantime you
keep calling.

Ah, so *that's* why Cumberland Electric had to increase utility rates --
to pay for the extra plants to power all those fruitless
transmissionsgrin!

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Ham stuff for sale:
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Answers:
1. No

2. No

Question:
1. Why are you such an ASS?

--

Charlie-AD5TH
www.deepsouthnet.net


"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:50:12 -0600, "Charlie" wrote:

Dan you better get OUT of Ham Radio right away....you obviously have a
strong predisposition towards masochism.
Too bad you'll never get the rest of the world to run their stations and
work DX "your way". You STINK....

Has your tower fallen down yet, Charlie?
;-)

Does the University of Southern California know that you are misusing
their email domain?
;-)

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

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Keep working on your people skills...you need it!!

--

Charlie-AD5TH
www.deepsouthnet.net


"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:13:52 -0600, "Charlie" wrote:

Answers:
1. No

It soon will.

2. No

They soon will.

Question:
1. Why are you such an ASS?

I really don't know, Charlie. There's just something about you that
seems to bring out the very worst in people!
:-)

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:50:12 -0600, "Charlie" wrote:

Dan you better get OUT of Ham Radio right away....you obviously have a
strong predisposition towards masochism.
Too bad you'll never get the rest of the world to run their stations and
work DX "your way". You STINK....

Dan problem is more a matter of having a Chip the size of RMS titanic
or KMS Bismark on his shoulder a different phenom than mashochism

bt it is obvious he is increasingly unhapy with Ham radio, and that
this is likely to only get worse

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Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

Do I use spots?

Yes.

Back in the 80s the W7PHO net would hold your hand during a contact.
They even repeated your call and reports at times. Is this any better
than using a spot? Did I ever check into the PHO net.

Well,yes.

Win, w0lz

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Good point...the whole idea is to get them in the log anyway you can. It
certainly makes no difference to the DXCC desk if you got the "new one" by a
dx net, chasing spots, your buddy telephoned you, or you used the old way of
tuning and listening, hoping, tuning listening, hoping..you get the idea!

--

Charlie-AD5TH
www.ad5th.com


"Win" wrote in message
...

Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

Do I use spots?

Yes.

Back in the 80s the W7PHO net would hold your hand during a contact.
They even repeated your call and reports at times. Is this any better
than using a spot? Did I ever check into the PHO net.

Well,yes.

Win, w0lz

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This scenerio has been replayed for the last hundred years
Has nothing to do with extra heavies, extra lights, and newbies
Has to do with human nature - and that has changed little for the past 2000
years

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
OK, there hasn't been much posted here lately that's actually about DX, so
here goes...

Just worked 6O0N on 20 meters CW. The QSO would have happened much faster
if not for some of the stations listed below:

6O0N: KN5??
Callers: K7LB KC6AWX KA5TQF

6O0N: VE7??
Callers: W6VM AB9H KA5TQF

6O0N: KC6AWX 5NN
Callers: several, but NOT KC6AWX!

6O0N: W9WI 5NN
Caller: K7LB
(I *did* complete the QSO successfully)

6O0N: KA5TQF 5NN
Callers: VE7AHA VE2FVD AA6W (but NOT KA5TQF!)

6O0N: WB??
Caller: AA6W

There are, of course, some patterns here. You can also rest assured the
stations mentioned weren't the only lids calling DX they apparently can't
copy. (I was listening in 500Hz bandwidth on the second receiver so only
heard about 1/4 of the pileup at any given time)

Yes, when the 6O came back to KC6AWX, and later when he came back to
KA5TQF, they didn't hear him... they were calling a DX station they
couldn't hear... I suppose that's probably not a surprise to the real
DXers on this forum... At least to TQF's credit, he did copy the 6O on
the third try...

Add to that the European station who decided to call CQ dead on top of the
6O without bothering to ask whether the frequency was in use... (but much
to my pleasant surprise, nobody but the 6O told him to QSY...)
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"Charlie" wrote in message
...
Dan you better get OUT of Ham Radio right away....you obviously have a
strong predisposition towards masochism.
Too bad you'll never get the rest of the world to run their stations and
work DX "your way". You STINK....

--

Charlie-AD5TH
www.ad5th.com

And all this time I thought you had some sense Charlie. Boy was I wrong. I
don't want folks to follow in lock step to my thoughts. It would be nice
tho, if they actually did HEAR the DX station.

You do understand sarcasm don't you? Or are YOU locked so tight up your
posterior you need a scuba mask to get air?

Dan/W4NTI

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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:00:33 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


"Charlie" wrote in message
...
Dan you better get OUT of Ham Radio right away....you obviously have a
strong predisposition towards masochism.
Too bad you'll never get the rest of the world to run their stations and
work DX "your way". You STINK....

--

Charlie-AD5TH
www.ad5th.com

And all this time I thought you had some sense Charlie. Boy was I wrong. I
don't want folks to follow in lock step to my thoughts. It would be nice
tho, if they actually did HEAR the DX station.

no one can from your manner Dan

You do understand sarcasm don't you?
if you lay it on to thick it stops being readable as sarcasm ole boy
Or are YOU locked so tight up your
posterior you need a scuba mask to get air?

and there you go making statements that convince folks you are as a
nuts and hidebound as you get accsed of being

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:50:12 -0600, "Charlie"
bt it is obvious he is increasingly unhapy with Ham radio, and that
this is likely to only get worse


Markey boy I left you to play elsewhere, I have no intention of slapping
you around again, especially not on a DX forum. So please pick up your
toys and go home....thank you.

Oh and BTW I love Ham Radio. That is why I keep fighting with losers like
you.

Have a good one.

Dan/W4NTI

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"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
there) One would, however, think common sense would tell people even if
you do know which DX station is there, you're going to have to be able to
hear him to make a QSO!


Not really....let me explain how that works in today's computer world.

You call and call and call and hope he hears you. Then you check the
internet automatic log to see if your call shows up. In the meantime you
keep calling.

Ah, so *that's* why Cumberland Electric had to increase utility rates --
to pay for the extra plants to power all those fruitless
transmissionsgrin!

--
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Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
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There it is Doug....finally some one that knows sarcasm when he reads it.

Dan/W4NTI

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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:03:18 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:50:12 -0600, "Charlie"
bt it is obvious he is increasingly unhapy with Ham radio, and that
this is likely to only get worse


Markey boy I left you to play elsewhere,
you never left me dan I was always here
I have no intention of slapping
you around again, especially not on a DX forum.
more of your bad attitude
So please pick up your
toys and go home....thank you.

Oh and BTW I love Ham Radio.
you might try acting like you like it
That is why I keep fighting with losers like
you.
nope you keep fighting becuase you are combative

Have a good one.

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Derek Wills wrote:

There's another strange 'cluster spotting' phenomenon that I don't
understand at all. Tonight, LZ4UU was on 40 cw sending his or her
call frequently. There were 4 consecutives spots for LZ1UU (not 4)
on exactly the same freq (7001.5) at 0211, 0217, 0219 and 0220 UT
by four (apparently) different people. The station always sent 4,
never 1, while I was listening. How does one explain that?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Easy. Using a telnet program like SpotCollector, if you double click on
a bad call in order to QSY to that call, the bad call gets pre-entered
in the "Outgoing spot" box. Unless you notice the error, the next spot
you make will have the bad call.

The next question is why anyone would re-spot a call that's just been
spotted and for that, I have no answer.

73, Bill W6WRT

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Win wrote:
Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

An occasional error is to be expected. I've certainly done all of this.

When it happens over and over and over again, that's not an occasional
error.

When the DX comes back to a given caller *several times* - and there's
no QRM on the DX's transmit frequency to make it difficult to copy - and
the same caller is one of the continuous callers who's been sending his
call over and over again for the last five minutes regardless of who the
DX came back to - there's a pattern. That's not an honest error; that's
being a lid.
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:40:07 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:

Win wrote:
Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

An occasional error is to be expected. I've certainly done all of this.

When it happens over and over and over again, that's not an occasional
error.

When the DX comes back to a given caller *several times* - and there's
no QRM on the DX's transmit frequency to make it difficult to copy - and
the same caller is one of the continuous callers who's been sending his
call over and over again for the last five minutes regardless of who the
DX came back to - there's a pattern. That's not an honest error; that's
being a lid.

can you realy know that the other station is hearing some interference
you are not?

I would say no so you are presuming to know what the other station 's
problem lack of skill vs local interfence not strong enough to
propogate

and presuming leaving one at risk of much the same as assuming

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For me, there is no worse feeling than calling on the DX's frequency,
then realizing I did it. It is not fun to know that hundreds, maybe
thousands, of other hams just heard my call, and know that I am an
idiot.

I can't believe anyone would to this on purpose. If they do, they have
thicker skin than I.

Win, w0lz

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Win wrote:
For me, there is no worse feeling than calling on the DX's frequency,
then realizing I did it. It is not fun to know that hundreds, maybe
thousands, of other hams just heard my call, and know that I am an
idiot.

I can't believe anyone would to this on purpose. If they do, they have
thicker skin than I.

I'm not sure where this part came from - that was *not* among the
liddish behaviors I observed in this instance.

(I did hear someone calling atop the DX, but he was calling CQ, not
calling the DX station.)

Agreed, I can't see anyone intentionally calling the DX on the DX's own
frequency when they know the DX is listening elsewhere.

(that's an important qualifier. On altogether too many instances, the
DX isn't saying they're listening up! I've been called a lid a couple
of times for calling the DX on their transmit frequency -- the DX was
only saying "TU" - wasn't *saying* they were listening up.

This usually happens with the same DX stations who only ID every five
minutes.

I suppose the DX figured everyone knew they were listening up, because
it said so in the spot.)

There are, however, of course, lids who will transmit something else on
top of the DX. Luckily we don't know who these lids are. Luckily,
because the penalty for arson is considerably greater than that for
intentional QRM.
--
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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:40:07 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:

Win wrote:
Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

An occasional error is to be expected. I've certainly done all of this.

When it happens over and over and over again, that's not an occasional
error.

When the DX comes back to a given caller *several times* - and there's
no QRM on the DX's transmit frequency to make it difficult to copy - and
the same caller is one of the continuous callers who's been sending his
call over and over again for the last five minutes regardless of who the
DX came back to - there's a pattern. That's not an honest error; that's
being a lid.

can you realy know that the other station is hearing some interference
you are not?


What part of "If you cannot copy the DX, do not call" do you
misunderstand? Why?

I would say no so you are presuming to know what the other station 's
problem lack of skill vs local interfence not strong enough to
propogate

and presuming leaving one at risk of much the same as assuming

Ignorance is it's own revenge.

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... Hank

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