On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:21:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

[snip]

Conditions are much better today to 3Y0 land. Just went to listen on 14.023
and there they were. Put in the second VFO and found who he was in QSO
with. Made exactly 1 call. He came right back. That's with 500w to Mosley
3 element.

Same here. One call.

Forty was an entirely different can of worms. What an embarrassment.
A pack of untrained chimpanzees would have been better operators;
although I'm damning chimpanzees with faint praise.

Wes Stewart wrote:

Forty was an entirely different can of worms. What an embarrassment.
A pack of untrained chimpanzees would have been better operators;
although I'm damning chimpanzees with faint praise.

The embarassing thing about the operator on 40 is the fact that the team has
been made aware of the less than stellar performance on that band and
obviously decided not to do anything about it.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Paul Lincke ist dem Zille sein Milhaud.

(Harry Rowohlt)

I thought the 40 Op did much better last night. His rate was up and
he stayed on frequency. And , realy, it's there show. We have no
right to tell them how to run it.

And we have no idea what the conditions are at his location. Many of
the artic ops tell me the QRN is extremely high on some bands. We
just don't know.

I finally did work him on 40 last night after three days of trying.

Win, w0lz


On 16 Feb 2006 17:10:43 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:

Wes Stewart wrote:

Forty was an entirely different can of worms. What an embarrassment.
A pack of untrained chimpanzees would have been better operators;
although I'm damning chimpanzees with faint praise.

The embarassing thing about the operator on 40 is the fact that the team has
been made aware of the less than stellar performance on that band and
obviously decided not to do anything about it.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

On 16 Feb 2006 17:10:43 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:

Wes Stewart wrote:

Forty was an entirely different can of worms. What an embarrassment.
A pack of untrained chimpanzees would have been better operators;
although I'm damning chimpanzees with faint praise.

The embarassing thing about the operator on 40 is the fact that the team has
been made aware of the less than stellar performance on that band and
obviously decided not to do anything about it.

I wasn't commenting on the op at 3Y, I was talking about the idiots
calling him. Most of the time there were so many fools calling on his
TX freq that I couldn't tell what kind of op -he- was.

I think the DX should listen on their TX freq from time to time. If
they hear things like last night they should just QSY up 50 or so and
leave the idiots behind. The DXers who actually tune the band will
find and work him in the clear, until of course, one of them makes the
mistake of spotting him, then it's time to QSY again.

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:00:47 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote:

On 16 Feb 2006 17:10:43 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:

Wes Stewart wrote:

Forty was an entirely different can of worms. What an embarrassment.
A pack of untrained chimpanzees would have been better operators;
although I'm damning chimpanzees with faint praise.

The embarassing thing about the operator on 40 is the fact that the team has
been made aware of the less than stellar performance on that band and
obviously decided not to do anything about it.

I wasn't commenting on the op at 3Y, I was talking about the idiots
calling him. Most of the time there were so many fools calling on his
TX freq that I couldn't tell what kind of op -he- was.

I think the DX should listen on their TX freq from time to time. If
they hear things like last night they should just QSY up 50 or so and
leave the idiots behind. The DXers who actually tune the band will
find and work him in the clear, until of course, one of them makes the
mistake of spotting him, then it's time to QSY again.

I agree, Wes. I wasn't commenting on your post as much a Peter's.
But, I know where Peter is coming from, too.

Actually, last night, I could not hear most of the NA stations. IT
made it hard to find who he was working, but nice, as I could not hear
the lids.

All in all, I think it has been a great operation. I have not been to
bed before 3:00 AM yet. My fist is sore from calling, and I enjoy
every minute of it.

Win, w0lz.

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:21:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

[snip]

Conditions are much better today to 3Y0 land. Just went to listen on
14.023
and there they were. Put in the second VFO and found who he was in QSO
with. Made exactly 1 call. He came right back. That's with 500w to
Mosley
3 element.

Same here. One call.

Forty was an entirely different can of worms. What an embarrassment.
A pack of untrained chimpanzees would have been better operators;
although I'm damning chimpanzees with faint praise.

I know....I listened on 40 the other evening. I left.

Dan/W4NTI

The old rule is to consider incompetence prior to considering veniality.
What we have heard is likely to be due to a lack of understanding and
mentoring. Who would continue to call while 3X is responding? Who would
dump their call more than once when a partial call is used by 3X? .. on and
on.

A need exists to explain the ineffectiveness and inappropriateness of
the strange things we heard. I do not have in mind an effective way to do
the training. QST reaches too few of the problems. Dayton would only reach
the convinced. Let us think how it might be done. The next DX group might
not have such good natures as this group and we could suffer for it.

A contributing cause on CW might be too little use of break-in.

Please note that I am not talking about the 3X operators.

73 Mac N8TT

--
J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A.
Home:

J. Mc Laughlin wrote:
A need exists to explain the ineffectiveness and inappropriateness of
the strange things we heard. I do not have in mind an effective way to do
the training. QST reaches too few of the problems. Dayton would only reach
the convinced. Let us think how it might be done. The next DX group might
not have such good natures as this group and we could suffer for it.

People have to be reached in their local clubs and by the people who
give them their exams. In a perfect world, to get a license you'd have
to make some number of QSOs under supervision of an already-licensed
operator who would monitor your procedures. (maybe disclose the call of
your "sponsor" in the FCC DB, so that if W9WI vouches for KM4XYZ and
KM4XYZ turns out to be a lid, it reflects poorly on me as well...)

That's probably not practical.

Radio clubs in Oak Ridge and Milwaukee recently held local 2-meter
contests. Maybe some kind of similar small-scale pileup training events
could be held, maybe at larger hamfests?

It's important to teach operators what proper practice is, it's also
important to ensure they know that just because they hear a practice on
the air doesn't mean it's right!

A contributing cause on CW might be too little use of break-in.

I really don't think the lack of break-in is the problem; it tells you
when to *stop* transmitting, but if you shouldn't have *started*
transmitting in the first place...

On a more or less related subject, I noted yet *another* "bust" of
3Y0X's call on DX Summit this morning. This time, he was promptly
spotted again by someone else with the same busted call. For such a
well-publicized DXPedition you'd think people could get their call right
even without being able to copy the DX!

It would be interesting to send a few envelopes to the QSL Bureau with
some of these "packet bust" calls & see how many cards one picks upgrin!

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

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