"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:21:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

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Conditions are much better today to 3Y0 land. Just went to listen on
14.023
and there they were. Put in the second VFO and found who he was in QSO
with. Made exactly 1 call. He came right back. That's with 500w to
Mosley
3 element.

Same here. One call.

Forty was an entirely different can of worms. What an embarrassment.
A pack of untrained chimpanzees would have been better operators;
although I'm damning chimpanzees with faint praise.

I know....I listened on 40 the other evening. I left.

Dan/W4NTI

The old rule is to consider incompetence prior to considering veniality.
What we have heard is likely to be due to a lack of understanding and
mentoring. Who would continue to call while 3X is responding? Who would
dump their call more than once when a partial call is used by 3X? .. on and
on.

A need exists to explain the ineffectiveness and inappropriateness of
the strange things we heard. I do not have in mind an effective way to do
the training. QST reaches too few of the problems. Dayton would only reach
the convinced. Let us think how it might be done. The next DX group might
not have such good natures as this group and we could suffer for it.

A contributing cause on CW might be too little use of break-in.

Please note that I am not talking about the 3X operators.

73 Mac N8TT

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J. Mc Laughlin wrote:
A need exists to explain the ineffectiveness and inappropriateness of
the strange things we heard. I do not have in mind an effective way to do
the training. QST reaches too few of the problems. Dayton would only reach
the convinced. Let us think how it might be done. The next DX group might
not have such good natures as this group and we could suffer for it.

People have to be reached in their local clubs and by the people who
give them their exams. In a perfect world, to get a license you'd have
to make some number of QSOs under supervision of an already-licensed
operator who would monitor your procedures. (maybe disclose the call of
your "sponsor" in the FCC DB, so that if W9WI vouches for KM4XYZ and
KM4XYZ turns out to be a lid, it reflects poorly on me as well...)

That's probably not practical.

Radio clubs in Oak Ridge and Milwaukee recently held local 2-meter
contests. Maybe some kind of similar small-scale pileup training events
could be held, maybe at larger hamfests?

It's important to teach operators what proper practice is, it's also
important to ensure they know that just because they hear a practice on
the air doesn't mean it's right!

A contributing cause on CW might be too little use of break-in.

I really don't think the lack of break-in is the problem; it tells you
when to *stop* transmitting, but if you shouldn't have *started*
transmitting in the first place...

On a more or less related subject, I noted yet *another* "bust" of
3Y0X's call on DX Summit this morning. This time, he was promptly
spotted again by someone else with the same busted call. For such a
well-publicized DXPedition you'd think people could get their call right
even without being able to copy the DX!

It would be interesting to send a few envelopes to the QSL Bureau with
some of these "packet bust" calls & see how many cards one picks upgrin!

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
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