"Phil Kane" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:45:46 -0700, bobinphx wrote:

Ups the real story....

UPS sends all parcels to Louisville KY, to a place they called HUB 2K...

ALL of its parcels? The last five shipments that I have received
and/or sent have never been east of the Mississippi River, and
even those from "the East" never got anywhere near Louisville.

Or is the tracking record lying to me?

I know they don't send "all" parcels to Louisville.. they certainly don't
send local shipments there. We used to get Double O Electronics to ship to
us in Newberg same day all the time.. if we caught them early in the
morning, before pickup, we would have the parts that afternoon, around 2:30
or so.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"Phil Kane" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:45:46 -0700, bobinphx wrote:

Ups the real story....

UPS sends all parcels to Louisville KY, to a place they called HUB
2K...

ALL of its parcels? The last five shipments that I have received
and/or sent have never been east of the Mississippi River, and
even those from "the East" never got anywhere near Louisville.

Or is the tracking record lying to me?

I know they don't send "all" parcels to Louisville.. they certainly don't
send local shipments there. We used to get Double O Electronics to ship to
us in Newberg same day all the time.. if we caught them early in the
morning, before pickup, we would have the parts that afternoon, around
2:30
or so.



Perhaps they were referring to "their" local hub. Our hub just happens to be
New Stanton PA. I track all packages when they leave here and not all go the
same route. I've never taken the time to track Postal Shipments.... I do
know the one time I did, it showed a point within the City of Pittsburgh.
But that package was going North East. It would make sense... Not sure if
the mail went from the city to a plane or what....

As to shipping costs, packaging yourself saves bundles. If you look around,
you can find supplies to do the job. Also, when you GET packages, save some
of the stuff (boxes, foam, etc) for future use. For bigger boxes, go to some
of your local stores. Some will give up boxes, some won't. Appliance stores
can be a good source. The box can be bigger, but you don't want it too big.
Just enough room for some packing on bottom, top and sides. If the box is
too high, cut it down and fold it in. The flaps will also add cushion to the
top. There are a few stores here that sell shipping tape CHEAP. $1 a roll,
usually enough for a few packages. On some occasions, I use Masking tape as
well.. It is $3 a roll, and again, enough for several packages. Newspapers -
if you or your family or neighbors read them, save some. Supplies to ship do
NOT have to cost a bundle! As to rates.... SHOP.... In my business, I do a
lot of shipping. Often I find either UPS or Postal to be cheaper than the
other. Depending of course on the size and weight AND destination, sometimes
the difference is anywhere from a $1 to $5 or more. If only a $1 to $5, you
must consider this as well... If you have to travel any distance to a UPS
site, would it be worth the $1 - 5 OR just as convenient to go to the
nearest Post Office? That has to be a personal decision. I pack the unit,
weigh it on a scale and insert the dimensions "to the nearest inch". I've
often been right on the money but not more than $1 off in my figure based on
scale accuracy compared to the scale at point of shipping.

I've NEVER had a problem with a lost or damaged shipment to date with any of
my shippers, contrary to others who seem to have developed a hate for one or
the other for claims of such. PACKING is a HUGE issue here. IF it is packed
well, it should survive most anything. I've sent some rather heavy items out
and still, they made it with out incident. In those cases, I've double to
triple boxed them. Yes, it adds a bit to the weight, but if you want it
there in one piece, a little extra is what it is going to take. IF you're
willing to buy or sell an item of value then why cheap out on the shipping
to get it there????? PACK IT TO ARRIVE IN ONE PIECE - Then go on line and
get the cheapest quotes you can find. Packing and shipping is NOT rocket
science. I've seen many many complaints of shippers damaging goods, losing
them, and the cost thereof to ship... MAYBE if I have a problem I'll see the
other side of the coin. To date, I have not and therefore do NOT see what
the big deal is.

The ONLY time I ever "supposedly" had a package lost, was in shipment to
me... I paid $150 for it with shipping... It never arrived. I called the
company I bought the item from. They said it was shipped, but they could NOT
provide a tracking number even though they said they kept such records. They
couldn't find it. All the sudden, it was the "shippers" fault for not giving
them a tracking number for their files. NAH, I don't think so. The item was
also supposed to be insured, again, they had no "receipt". Hmmmm. I told
them, if I did not receive the item in 2 weeks tops, I was going to file
charges. It took 3 days, I had a certified check in the mail. Payment in
FULL. I had already looked up the State Attorney General's web site for that
company, sent them an e-mail and forwarded a copy to this company.

I had one other occasion... A man across the country from me, bought an
item from me on E-Bay. He said he sent payment out lets say for example May
25th 2003.. "I" should have seen that Money Order in 3 days - usual mail
time for cross country to me... I waited a week and a half. I told him it
didn't arrive. Right away, he accused me of ripping him off. I told him to
have it traced if he desired. He said ok, we'll see who's signature appears.
Well as it turns out, the Post Office requires 30 Days before tracing. ON
the 30th day, believe it or not, I DID receive the envelope. True to his
word, the MO was bought the day he said. Was it mailed that day????? The
stamp on it suggested otherwise. Was it in a mail box all that time, then
dug out, stamped and put in system??? I don't know.
But I did take a picture of the envelope with the cancellation stamp showing
and e-mailed it to him, then placed the item he bought, in the mail. SO,
what I'm saying is, honesty counts a lot and if payment was actually sent.
"I" ALWAYS offer to send an e-mail picture showing the receipt of a Postal
MO, copy of a check to that party, whatever. If it will cover MY ass, I DO
IT. It IS worth the effort. I've learned not to leave anything to chance. I
go by Murphy's Law when doing anything. It saves me more time than not. AND
aggravation in the end.....

The only other problem encountered was a shipment from Alaska..... It took
over a month to get the package. It took 8 days for the MO to get there.
They must use dog sleds or something. Not sure of the problem, but mail from
there in "package form" SUCKS for time. At least in MY case.

It boils down to packing, cost analysis for shipping, honesty of the shipper
and buyer, clogs in the system!

I hope this has helped.

JMS

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
.net...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:45:46 -0700, bobinphx wrote:

Ups the real story....

UPS sends all parcels to Louisville KY, to a place they called HUB
2K...

ALL of its parcels? The last five shipments that I have received
and/or sent have never been east of the Mississippi River, and
even those from "the East" never got anywhere near Louisville.

Or is the tracking record lying to me?

I know they don't send "all" parcels to Louisville.. they certainly don't
send local shipments there. We used to get Double O Electronics to ship to
us in Newberg same day all the time.. if we caught them early in the
morning, before pickup, we would have the parts that afternoon, around
2:30
or so.



Perhaps they were referring to "their" local hub. Our hub just happens to be
New Stanton PA. I track all packages when they leave here and not all go the
same route. I've never taken the time to track Postal Shipments.... I do
know the one time I did, it showed a point within the City of Pittsburgh.
But that package was going North East. It would make sense... Not sure if
the mail went from the city to a plane or what....

As to shipping costs, packaging yourself saves bundles. If you look around,
you can find supplies to do the job. Also, when you GET packages, save some
of the stuff (boxes, foam, etc) for future use. For bigger boxes, go to some
of your local stores. Some will give up boxes, some won't. Appliance stores
can be a good source. The box can be bigger, but you don't want it too big.
Just enough room for some packing on bottom, top and sides. If the box is
too high, cut it down and fold it in. The flaps will also add cushion to the
top. There are a few stores here that sell shipping tape CHEAP. $1 a roll,
usually enough for a few packages. On some occasions, I use Masking tape as
well.. It is $3 a roll, and again, enough for several packages. Newspapers -
if you or your family or neighbors read them, save some. Supplies to ship do
NOT have to cost a bundle! As to rates.... SHOP.... In my business, I do a
lot of shipping. Often I find either UPS or Postal to be cheaper than the
other. Depending of course on the size and weight AND destination, sometimes
the difference is anywhere from a $1 to $5 or more. If only a $1 to $5, you
must consider this as well... If you have to travel any distance to a UPS
site, would it be worth the $1 - 5 OR just as convenient to go to the
nearest Post Office? That has to be a personal decision. I pack the unit,
weigh it on a scale and insert the dimensions "to the nearest inch". I've
often been right on the money but not more than $1 off in my figure based on
scale accuracy compared to the scale at point of shipping.

I've NEVER had a problem with a lost or damaged shipment to date with any of
my shippers, contrary to others who seem to have developed a hate for one or
the other for claims of such. PACKING is a HUGE issue here. IF it is packed
well, it should survive most anything. I've sent some rather heavy items out
and still, they made it with out incident. In those cases, I've double to
triple boxed them. Yes, it adds a bit to the weight, but if you want it
there in one piece, a little extra is what it is going to take. IF you're
willing to buy or sell an item of value then why cheap out on the shipping
to get it there????? PACK IT TO ARRIVE IN ONE PIECE - Then go on line and
get the cheapest quotes you can find. Packing and shipping is NOT rocket
science. I've seen many many complaints of shippers damaging goods, losing
them, and the cost thereof to ship... MAYBE if I have a problem I'll see the
other side of the coin. To date, I have not and therefore do NOT see what
the big deal is.

The ONLY time I ever "supposedly" had a package lost, was in shipment to
me... I paid $150 for it with shipping... It never arrived. I called the
company I bought the item from. They said it was shipped, but they could NOT
provide a tracking number even though they said they kept such records. They
couldn't find it. All the sudden, it was the "shippers" fault for not giving
them a tracking number for their files. NAH, I don't think so. The item was
also supposed to be insured, again, they had no "receipt". Hmmmm. I told
them, if I did not receive the item in 2 weeks tops, I was going to file
charges. It took 3 days, I had a certified check in the mail. Payment in
FULL. I had already looked up the State Attorney General's web site for that
company, sent them an e-mail and forwarded a copy to this company.

I had one other occasion... A man across the country from me, bought an
item from me on E-Bay. He said he sent payment out lets say for example May
25th 2003.. "I" should have seen that Money Order in 3 days - usual mail
time for cross country to me... I waited a week and a half. I told him it
didn't arrive. Right away, he accused me of ripping him off. I told him to
have it traced if he desired. He said ok, we'll see who's signature appears.
Well as it turns out, the Post Office requires 30 Days before tracing. ON
the 30th day, believe it or not, I DID receive the envelope. True to his
word, the MO was bought the day he said. Was it mailed that day????? The
stamp on it suggested otherwise. Was it in a mail box all that time, then
dug out, stamped and put in system??? I don't know.
But I did take a picture of the envelope with the cancellation stamp showing
and e-mailed it to him, then placed the item he bought, in the mail. SO,
what I'm saying is, honesty counts a lot and if payment was actually sent.
"I" ALWAYS offer to send an e-mail picture showing the receipt of a Postal
MO, copy of a check to that party, whatever. If it will cover MY ass, I DO
IT. It IS worth the effort. I've learned not to leave anything to chance. I
go by Murphy's Law when doing anything. It saves me more time than not. AND
aggravation in the end.....

The only other problem encountered was a shipment from Alaska..... It took
over a month to get the package. It took 8 days for the MO to get there.
They must use dog sleds or something. Not sure of the problem, but mail from
there in "package form" SUCKS for time. At least in MY case.

It boils down to packing, cost analysis for shipping, honesty of the shipper
and buyer, clogs in the system!

I hope this has helped.

JMS

bobinphx wrote:

UPS sends all parcels to Louisville KY, to a place they called HUB 2K...

Yeah, that's right. I was on an extended assignment doing a long
consulting gig for UPS in the mid-90s. UPS is the nation's fourth
largest airline, in terms of number of aircraft. Once everything is
flown in and sorted, it goes out of Louisville in an incredible event
known as the 'Midnight Flight' or some such thing, wherein in the middle
of the night, plane after plane takes off for its destination. It is a
sight to behold. You stand there on the tarmac and you watch endless
takeoffs that go on for *hours*. Endlessly. In the middle of the night.
It is surreal.

bobinphx wrote:

UPS sends all parcels to Louisville KY, to a place they called HUB 2K...

Yeah, that's right. I was on an extended assignment doing a long
consulting gig for UPS in the mid-90s. UPS is the nation's fourth
largest airline, in terms of number of aircraft. Once everything is
flown in and sorted, it goes out of Louisville in an incredible event
known as the 'Midnight Flight' or some such thing, wherein in the middle
of the night, plane after plane takes off for its destination. It is a
sight to behold. You stand there on the tarmac and you watch endless
takeoffs that go on for *hours*. Endlessly. In the middle of the night.
It is surreal.

Watched a progoram on FedEx a few years ago on discovery or tlc
they took you all over the hub in Nashville, what a place !

And the planes ! I agree, they ought to sell tickets just to watch !




Yeah, that's right. I was on an extended assignment doing a long
consulting gig for UPS in the mid-90s. UPS is the nation's fourth
largest airline, in terms of number of aircraft. Once everything is
flown in and sorted, it goes out of Louisville in an incredible event
known as the 'Midnight Flight' or some such thing, wherein in the middle
of the night, plane after plane takes off for its destination. It is a
sight to behold. You stand there on the tarmac and you watch endless
takeoffs that go on for *hours*. Endlessly. In the middle of the night.
It is surreal.

Watched a progoram on FedEx a few years ago on discovery or tlc
they took you all over the hub in Nashville, what a place !

And the planes ! I agree, they ought to sell tickets just to watch !




Yeah, that's right. I was on an extended assignment doing a long
consulting gig for UPS in the mid-90s. UPS is the nation's fourth
largest airline, in terms of number of aircraft. Once everything is
flown in and sorted, it goes out of Louisville in an incredible event
known as the 'Midnight Flight' or some such thing, wherein in the middle
of the night, plane after plane takes off for its destination. It is a
sight to behold. You stand there on the tarmac and you watch endless
takeoffs that go on for *hours*. Endlessly. In the middle of the night.
It is surreal.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:18:46 -0700, Al Lorona wrote:

bobinphx wrote:

UPS sends all parcels to Louisville KY, to a place they called HUB 2K...

Yeah, that's right. I was on an extended assignment doing a long
consulting gig for UPS in the mid-90s. UPS is the nation's fourth
largest airline, in terms of number of aircraft. Once everything is
flown in and sorted, it goes out of Louisville in an incredible event
known as the 'Midnight Flight' or some such thing, wherein in the middle
of the night, plane after plane takes off for its destination. It is a
sight to behold. You stand there on the tarmac and you watch endless
takeoffs that go on for *hours*. Endlessly. In the middle of the night.
It is surreal.

It is a copy-cat of FedEx who has been doing that from Memphis for
several decades.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:18:46 -0700, Al Lorona wrote:

bobinphx wrote:

UPS sends all parcels to Louisville KY, to a place they called HUB 2K...

Yeah, that's right. I was on an extended assignment doing a long
consulting gig for UPS in the mid-90s. UPS is the nation's fourth
largest airline, in terms of number of aircraft. Once everything is
flown in and sorted, it goes out of Louisville in an incredible event
known as the 'Midnight Flight' or some such thing, wherein in the middle
of the night, plane after plane takes off for its destination. It is a
sight to behold. You stand there on the tarmac and you watch endless
takeoffs that go on for *hours*. Endlessly. In the middle of the night.
It is surreal.

It is a copy-cat of FedEx who has been doing that from Memphis for
several decades.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

UPS does operate their largest National Hub in KY, but "everything" does not
go there. A shipment from say, Boston to Ohio, Fla, or NY will never see KY.
There are many smaller hubs that handle this.