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Old November 14th 03, 09:02 PM
Thierry
 
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Hi,

I would like to buy a desk kW-class amplifier (tube or solid-state) but
before I try to get as much information I can about advantages and drawbacks
of each model (I have 12 tubes amps to compare while solid-states are not
numerous between Icom - too expensive -, Yaesu and Tokyo Hy-Power).

I learnt for example that Yaesu VL-1000 Quadra displays a RF ouput of about
1kW PEP, in line with its specs
On the contrary the Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1KFX, 1.2 kW PEP provides less than
600W peak output (250W in RTTY or AM), even using an antenna tuner to get a
VSWR 1:1 on the working band. So we cannot really say that the lost power
(in this case 600W) is lost as heat as my SWR on the line is well 1:1.

Can someone explain me where goes the lost power in the Tokyo model or if my
reflexion is faulty?

Thanks in advance

Thierry
ON4SKY
QSL Mgr for LX3SKY
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry



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Old November 15th 03, 11:14 PM
Joe McElvenney
 
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Hi,

I learnt for example that Yaesu VL-1000 Quadra displays a RF ouput of about
1kW PEP, in line with its specs
On the contrary the Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1KFX, 1.2 kW PEP provides less than
600W peak output (250W in RTTY or AM), even using an antenna tuner to get a
VSWR 1:1 on the working band. So we cannot really say that the lost power
(in this case 600W) is lost as heat as my SWR on the line is well 1:1.

Can someone explain me where goes the lost power in the Tokyo model or if my
reflexion is faulty?



It is all about how you read the specifications.

The VL-1000 has 1.0kW output for 2.1kW DC input

The HL-1KFX has 0.6kW output for 1.2KW DC input.


73 de Joe, G3LLV


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Hi,

I learnt for example that Yaesu VL-1000 Quadra displays a RF ouput of about
1kW PEP, in line with its specs
On the contrary the Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1KFX, 1.2 kW PEP provides less than
600W peak output (250W in RTTY or AM), even using an antenna tuner to get a
VSWR 1:1 on the working band. So we cannot really say that the lost power
(in this case 600W) is lost as heat as my SWR on the line is well 1:1.

Can someone explain me where goes the lost power in the Tokyo model or if my
reflexion is faulty?



It is all about how you read the specifications.

The VL-1000 has 1.0kW output for 2.1kW DC input

The HL-1KFX has 0.6kW output for 1.2KW DC input.


73 de Joe, G3LLV


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Old November 16th 03, 12:25 AM
 
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The radio equivalent of "serving size" calories, eh? grin

Can anyone tell me (out of curiosity) how much does the Tokyo Hy_power
HL-1KFX cost?

Paul


"Joe McElvenney" wrote in message
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Hi,

I learnt for example that Yaesu VL-1000 Quadra displays a RF ouput of

about
1kW PEP, in line with its specs
On the contrary the Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1KFX, 1.2 kW PEP provides less

than
600W peak output (250W in RTTY or AM), even using an antenna tuner to

get a
VSWR 1:1 on the working band. So we cannot really say that the lost

power
(in this case 600W) is lost as heat as my SWR on the line is well 1:1.

Can someone explain me where goes the lost power in the Tokyo model or

if my
reflexion is faulty?



It is all about how you read the specifications.

The VL-1000 has 1.0kW output for 2.1kW DC input

The HL-1KFX has 0.6kW output for 1.2KW DC input.


73 de Joe, G3LLV




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Old November 16th 03, 12:25 AM
 
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The radio equivalent of "serving size" calories, eh? grin

Can anyone tell me (out of curiosity) how much does the Tokyo Hy_power
HL-1KFX cost?

Paul


"Joe McElvenney" wrote in message
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Hi,

I learnt for example that Yaesu VL-1000 Quadra displays a RF ouput of

about
1kW PEP, in line with its specs
On the contrary the Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1KFX, 1.2 kW PEP provides less

than
600W peak output (250W in RTTY or AM), even using an antenna tuner to

get a
VSWR 1:1 on the working band. So we cannot really say that the lost

power
(in this case 600W) is lost as heat as my SWR on the line is well 1:1.

Can someone explain me where goes the lost power in the Tokyo model or

if my
reflexion is faulty?



It is all about how you read the specifications.

The VL-1000 has 1.0kW output for 2.1kW DC input

The HL-1KFX has 0.6kW output for 1.2KW DC input.


73 de Joe, G3LLV






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Old November 16th 03, 10:19 AM
Thierry
 
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"Joe McElvenney" wrote in message
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Hi,

I learnt for example that Yaesu VL-1000 Quadra displays a RF ouput of

about
1kW PEP, in line with its specs
On the contrary the Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1KFX, 1.2 kW PEP provides less

than
600W peak output (250W in RTTY or AM), even using an antenna tuner to

get a
VSWR 1:1 on the working band. So we cannot really say that the lost

power
(in this case 600W) is lost as heat as my SWR on the line is well 1:1.

Can someone explain me where goes the lost power in the Tokyo model or

if my
reflexion is faulty?



It is all about how you read the specifications.

The VL-1000 has 1.0kW output for 2.1kW DC input

The HL-1KFX has 0.6kW output for 1.2KW DC input.



You right. I misread specs...

Thierry
73 de Joe, G3LLV




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Thierry
 
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"Joe McElvenney" wrote in message
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Hi,

I learnt for example that Yaesu VL-1000 Quadra displays a RF ouput of

about
1kW PEP, in line with its specs
On the contrary the Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1KFX, 1.2 kW PEP provides less

than
600W peak output (250W in RTTY or AM), even using an antenna tuner to

get a
VSWR 1:1 on the working band. So we cannot really say that the lost

power
(in this case 600W) is lost as heat as my SWR on the line is well 1:1.

Can someone explain me where goes the lost power in the Tokyo model or

if my
reflexion is faulty?



It is all about how you read the specifications.

The VL-1000 has 1.0kW output for 2.1kW DC input

The HL-1KFX has 0.6kW output for 1.2KW DC input.



You right. I misread specs...

Thierry
73 de Joe, G3LLV




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