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Moody1951 April 6th 04 06:23 AM

What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength 2 meter antenna?
 
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength 2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the freq.

Thanks

Roger Conroy April 6th 04 08:27 AM


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC



Roger Conroy April 6th 04 08:27 AM


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC



Incognito April 6th 04 02:07 PM

Neat calculator at URL:
http://www.geocities.com/kk5hy/calc.html

You can cut it for hi, lo, or mid band

--
Incognito By Necessity (:-(

If you can't convince them, confuse them.
- - -Harry S Truman




"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks




Incognito April 6th 04 02:07 PM

Neat calculator at URL:
http://www.geocities.com/kk5hy/calc.html

You can cut it for hi, lo, or mid band

--
Incognito By Necessity (:-(

If you can't convince them, confuse them.
- - -Harry S Truman




"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks




J Shrum April 6th 04 02:21 PM

Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to

do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC





J Shrum April 6th 04 02:21 PM

Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to

do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC





Lou April 6th 04 04:07 PM

While I do not claim superiority in my knowledge, I must wonder myself
sometimes about those with a license. I know one person who doesn't know
what a "ground" symbol looks like in a schematic - and "that" is one of the
"basic"questions on the exams. I know another who has no clue what a "fuse"
does. Now, "that" is sad. Calculations? Even when learned, some do have math
problems - to some extent, I can understand that. Learning formulas and
being able to do them, is not always the same.. Sounds contradictory I know,
but I've seen that myself a few times. It amazes me sometimes..... Hell, I
know people who don't know the resistor color code, can't figure out
resistors in series or parallel, etc. "All" or any of the things they
learned to get their license.
Most people just do what it takes to get a license. Once they start yakking,
they lose the knowledge from lack of use of it. Even that is hard to fathom
considering the many technical chats one would tend to hear. YEP! It sure is
hard to imagine, but it is true........ sad but true! Lou

"J Shrum" wrote in message
...
Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how

to
do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC







Lou April 6th 04 04:07 PM

While I do not claim superiority in my knowledge, I must wonder myself
sometimes about those with a license. I know one person who doesn't know
what a "ground" symbol looks like in a schematic - and "that" is one of the
"basic"questions on the exams. I know another who has no clue what a "fuse"
does. Now, "that" is sad. Calculations? Even when learned, some do have math
problems - to some extent, I can understand that. Learning formulas and
being able to do them, is not always the same.. Sounds contradictory I know,
but I've seen that myself a few times. It amazes me sometimes..... Hell, I
know people who don't know the resistor color code, can't figure out
resistors in series or parallel, etc. "All" or any of the things they
learned to get their license.
Most people just do what it takes to get a license. Once they start yakking,
they lose the knowledge from lack of use of it. Even that is hard to fathom
considering the many technical chats one would tend to hear. YEP! It sure is
hard to imagine, but it is true........ sad but true! Lou

"J Shrum" wrote in message
...
Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how

to
do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC







Moody1951 April 6th 04 04:15 PM

Roger, you're right. I am stupid. Thank you for so kindly for pointing that
out. We all need more "Elmers" like you.

Moody1951 April 6th 04 04:15 PM

Roger, you're right. I am stupid. Thank you for so kindly for pointing that
out. We all need more "Elmers" like you.

J Shrum April 6th 04 04:49 PM

Lou,
I do agree... I understand that many folks study just the bare minimum to
get that "2meter CB ticket" and thats it. But I don't agree w/ the public
tongue lashing...

Ok, I'm done...

"Lou" wrote in message
...
While I do not claim superiority in my knowledge, I must wonder myself
sometimes about those with a license. I know one person who doesn't know
what a "ground" symbol looks like in a schematic - and "that" is one of

the
"basic"questions on the exams. I know another who has no clue what a

"fuse"
does. Now, "that" is sad. Calculations? Even when learned, some do have

math
problems - to some extent, I can understand that. Learning formulas and
being able to do them, is not always the same.. Sounds contradictory I

know,
but I've seen that myself a few times. It amazes me sometimes..... Hell, I
know people who don't know the resistor color code, can't figure out
resistors in series or parallel, etc. "All" or any of the things they
learned to get their license.
Most people just do what it takes to get a license. Once they start

yakking,
they lose the knowledge from lack of use of it. Even that is hard to

fathom
considering the many technical chats one would tend to hear. YEP! It sure

is
hard to imagine, but it is true........ sad but true! Lou

"J Shrum" wrote in message
...
Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to

the
freq.

Thanks

Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how

to
do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC









J Shrum April 6th 04 04:49 PM

Lou,
I do agree... I understand that many folks study just the bare minimum to
get that "2meter CB ticket" and thats it. But I don't agree w/ the public
tongue lashing...

Ok, I'm done...

"Lou" wrote in message
...
While I do not claim superiority in my knowledge, I must wonder myself
sometimes about those with a license. I know one person who doesn't know
what a "ground" symbol looks like in a schematic - and "that" is one of

the
"basic"questions on the exams. I know another who has no clue what a

"fuse"
does. Now, "that" is sad. Calculations? Even when learned, some do have

math
problems - to some extent, I can understand that. Learning formulas and
being able to do them, is not always the same.. Sounds contradictory I

know,
but I've seen that myself a few times. It amazes me sometimes..... Hell, I
know people who don't know the resistor color code, can't figure out
resistors in series or parallel, etc. "All" or any of the things they
learned to get their license.
Most people just do what it takes to get a license. Once they start

yakking,
they lose the knowledge from lack of use of it. Even that is hard to

fathom
considering the many technical chats one would tend to hear. YEP! It sure

is
hard to imagine, but it is true........ sad but true! Lou

"J Shrum" wrote in message
...
Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to

the
freq.

Thanks

Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how

to
do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC









Hamguy April 6th 04 05:04 PM

Geez...maybe he'll convert this over to U.S. measurement!


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to

do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC





Hamguy April 6th 04 05:04 PM

Geez...maybe he'll convert this over to U.S. measurement!


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s

wavelength
2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks


Lets assume you want a center frequency of 146 megahertz...

300/146=2.057945m (round it to nearest mm 2.058m)
2.058/8=0.25725m
0.25725x5=1.28625m (round it to nearest mm 1.286m)

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to

do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together

with
Ohm's Law!

73
Roger ZR3RC





S April 6th 04 06:08 PM

Ok lets start this over again

Hi Moody,

The ansewr to your question, if you intend to use it on the upper portion of
the band (tuned to 146Mhz) would be 48.12 inches.

Aside from your asking antenna question here, also check out the ARRL
Handbook, as you will find the answers to simple questions, others get
annoyed at LOL

also visit the http://www.qsl.net/w4sat/antenna.htm website.

As far as the point you expressed Bob, I agree with you somewhat. Not all
Techs dont know anything. I have spoken to many Advanced/Extra that cant
figure out the length of a dipole for 40m, or how to program the memory in
the 2m radio. Even go as far as "you are not on frequency, and you dont need
to say over on a repeater". Now it makes me made when, me being a Tech needs
to answer these questions

Take in to the account of why many join the ham ranks. Not all are technical
minded people, or not yet atleast

73

Steve KC2GOG


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks




S April 6th 04 06:08 PM

Ok lets start this over again

Hi Moody,

The ansewr to your question, if you intend to use it on the upper portion of
the band (tuned to 146Mhz) would be 48.12 inches.

Aside from your asking antenna question here, also check out the ARRL
Handbook, as you will find the answers to simple questions, others get
annoyed at LOL

also visit the http://www.qsl.net/w4sat/antenna.htm website.

As far as the point you expressed Bob, I agree with you somewhat. Not all
Techs dont know anything. I have spoken to many Advanced/Extra that cant
figure out the length of a dipole for 40m, or how to program the memory in
the 2m radio. Even go as far as "you are not on frequency, and you dont need
to say over on a repeater". Now it makes me made when, me being a Tech needs
to answer these questions

Take in to the account of why many join the ham ranks. Not all are technical
minded people, or not yet atleast

73

Steve KC2GOG


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Thanks




Evan Platt April 6th 04 06:33 PM

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:27:58 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together with
Ohm's Law!


Perhaps he took the test over a year ago, has only been using a HT,
and is now wanting to get into mobile use?

Let me ask you a few questions:

How far in advance of a turn are you required to use your turn signal?

What is the maximum distance you may enter a bike lane prior to making
a turn?

You may use your hi beams if a car coming towards you is more than
____ feet away, or if a car is in front of you in the same direction
as you, more than _____ feet away.

Gee, you don't know? How the &*^#*$@ did you get your drivers license?

Get the point?

Evan

To reply, remove TheObvious from my e-mail address.


Evan Platt April 6th 04 06:33 PM

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:27:58 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:

Now I have a few questions...

How the ^%$#(*&$ do you get to even own a 2m radio without knowing how to do
this ELEMENTARY calculation? Do you have a licence? Have you learnt
absolutely nothing? This formula is the first one in the book together with
Ohm's Law!


Perhaps he took the test over a year ago, has only been using a HT,
and is now wanting to get into mobile use?

Let me ask you a few questions:

How far in advance of a turn are you required to use your turn signal?

What is the maximum distance you may enter a bike lane prior to making
a turn?

You may use your hi beams if a car coming towards you is more than
____ feet away, or if a car is in front of you in the same direction
as you, more than _____ feet away.

Gee, you don't know? How the &*^#*$@ did you get your drivers license?

Get the point?

Evan

To reply, remove TheObvious from my e-mail address.


Moody1951 April 6th 04 07:14 PM

Roger. Realize. It's just a hobby. Don't chase em' away.

Moody1951 April 6th 04 07:14 PM

Roger. Realize. It's just a hobby. Don't chase em' away.

Lou April 6th 04 09:40 PM

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Roger. Realize. It's just a hobby. Don't chase em' away.


Heck no, don't chase them, EDUCATE them. Asking questions, isn't stupid.. it
is the unasked question and the assumption thereof which is stupid. Lou



Lou April 6th 04 09:40 PM

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Roger. Realize. It's just a hobby. Don't chase em' away.


Heck no, don't chase them, EDUCATE them. Asking questions, isn't stupid.. it
is the unasked question and the assumption thereof which is stupid. Lou



Ralph Mowery April 7th 04 12:29 AM


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.


Others have given you the length. They failed to mention that the impedance
is not 50 ohms and you must match that to the coax/rig. You will have to
research that for yourself, but usually a coil is used in series with the
antenna at the base of it.



Ralph Mowery April 7th 04 12:29 AM


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.


Others have given you the length. They failed to mention that the impedance
is not 50 ohms and you must match that to the coax/rig. You will have to
research that for yourself, but usually a coil is used in series with the
antenna at the base of it.



Marty April 7th 04 01:12 AM

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Roger, you're right. I am stupid. Thank you for so kindly for pointing

that
out. We all need more "Elmers" like you.


Whilst he could've been a little more 'tactful', you must admit that it was
a question that any newcomer studying for their licence should've known, let
alone someone actually in the hobby....

But, that's just my opinion...

Martin, VK2UMJ



Marty April 7th 04 01:12 AM

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Roger, you're right. I am stupid. Thank you for so kindly for pointing

that
out. We all need more "Elmers" like you.


Whilst he could've been a little more 'tactful', you must admit that it was
a question that any newcomer studying for their licence should've known, let
alone someone actually in the hobby....

But, that's just my opinion...

Martin, VK2UMJ



Gary S. April 7th 04 03:04 AM

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:29:45 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Others have given you the length. They failed to mention that the impedance
is not 50 ohms and you must match that to the coax/rig. You will have to
research that for yourself, but usually a coil is used in series with the
antenna at the base of it.

Also relevant:

The calculated length is close, but factors like material type,
thickness, etc, mean that the actual length could be a little
different. Electrical length is what counts, not physical.

Best bet is to take the calculated length as mentioned earlier, add a
little bit, and cut to that greater length. Then test the antenna with
an SWR meter, trim a little shorter, and test again to optimize SWR
across the band of interest. You will never hit 1:1 (more of a
theoretical goal) but below 1:1.5 across the 2M band is fine.

Start your testing at a low power, until you know the SWR is below
1:2.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Gary S. April 7th 04 03:04 AM

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:29:45 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.

Others have given you the length. They failed to mention that the impedance
is not 50 ohms and you must match that to the coax/rig. You will have to
research that for yourself, but usually a coil is used in series with the
antenna at the base of it.

Also relevant:

The calculated length is close, but factors like material type,
thickness, etc, mean that the actual length could be a little
different. Electrical length is what counts, not physical.

Best bet is to take the calculated length as mentioned earlier, add a
little bit, and cut to that greater length. Then test the antenna with
an SWR meter, trim a little shorter, and test again to optimize SWR
across the band of interest. You will never hit 1:1 (more of a
theoretical goal) but below 1:1.5 across the 2M band is fine.

Start your testing at a low power, until you know the SWR is below
1:2.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Ed G April 7th 04 03:40 AM



Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.



I was wondering if the glass is half full, or is it half empty?



Ed

Ed G April 7th 04 03:40 AM



Damn Roger... It must be really tough being so superior.



I was wondering if the glass is half full, or is it half empty?



Ed

Ed G April 7th 04 03:43 AM


Roger, you're right. I am stupid. Thank you for so kindly for
pointing that out. We all need more "Elmers" like you.



No, you're probably not stupid... maybe ignorant. You can fix that. If
you don't own a copy of the ARRL Handbook, then GET ONE! Its the best
single source of info you can get, and you will find answer to most if not
all of your questions in there.



Ed WB6SAT


Ed G April 7th 04 03:43 AM


Roger, you're right. I am stupid. Thank you for so kindly for
pointing that out. We all need more "Elmers" like you.



No, you're probably not stupid... maybe ignorant. You can fix that. If
you don't own a copy of the ARRL Handbook, then GET ONE! Its the best
single source of info you can get, and you will find answer to most if not
all of your questions in there.



Ed WB6SAT


Incognito April 7th 04 04:55 PM

To weed thru all this and answer the question I repeat -- see URL:

http://www.qsl.net/w4sat/five8th.htm

Matching network at URL:
http://www.arsqrp.com/ars/pages/back..._text/5_8.html

And as pointed out several books were mentioned.
ARRL Antenna handbook and ARRL Pubs
Bill Orr's Books

And good old http://www.google.com/
will get lots of places to look.

--
Incognito By Necessity (:-(

If you can't convince them, confuse them.
- - -Harry S Truman





Incognito April 7th 04 04:55 PM

To weed thru all this and answer the question I repeat -- see URL:

http://www.qsl.net/w4sat/five8th.htm

Matching network at URL:
http://www.arsqrp.com/ars/pages/back..._text/5_8.html

And as pointed out several books were mentioned.
ARRL Antenna handbook and ARRL Pubs
Bill Orr's Books

And good old http://www.google.com/
will get lots of places to look.

--
Incognito By Necessity (:-(

If you can't convince them, confuse them.
- - -Harry S Truman





Dave Holford April 7th 04 04:56 PM



Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.



You might try 5/8 of 2meters = 1.25Meters.
Add a bit for trimming and there you are.

Dave

Dave Holford April 7th 04 04:56 PM



Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength

2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the

freq.



You might try 5/8 of 2meters = 1.25Meters.
Add a bit for trimming and there you are.

Dave

Fred McKenzie April 8th 04 05:30 AM

Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength 2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the freq.

Moody-

Did you realize what a stimulating topic this was going to be? Perhaps I can
help by announcing that there are two slightly different legitimate answers.

First, radio waves travel very close to 300 million meters per second. The two
meter band is roughly at a frequency of 150 million Hertz, so one wavelength
would be 300 million divided by 150 million. I think you get the idea, and can
use your exact frequency to get the exact wavelength. In the case of a 5/8th
wavelength antenna, simply multiply the calculated wavelength by 5/8 (or
0.625). (One inch equals 0.0254 meters.)

To use such an antenna, you must find a way to connect your transmission line
to the antenna and a ground plane, so that it matches. In other words, you
want to transfer the maximum amount of power to the antenna so it can be
radiated, and reflect the minimum amount of power back to the transmitter.

The beauty of a 5/8th wavelength (ground plane) antenna, is that it is
extremely easy to match. Its input impedance is 50 Ohms resistive in series
with a small amount of capacitance. Therefore you need a small amount of
series inductance to match it. Some higher-frequency examples use the
stainless element itself, wound in a small coil near its base.

The other "legitimate" answer is that a given 5/8th wavelength antenna you buy,
may actually be 0.58 wavelength, NOT 0.625. Such antennas are usually called
5/8th because of the confusion between 0.58 and 5/8.

The beauty of a 0.58 wavelength (groundplane) antenna, is that it concentrates
the maximum amount of power towards the horizon, compared to other similarly
constructed antennas (according to my Antennas Professor, 35 years ago). While
it is true that there is a small lobe towards the sky above, the main lobe is
sharper than the lobe of a quarter wave ground plane, and is aimed almost
directly at the horizon. If the vertical element were any longer (say, 0.625
wavelength), the lobe pointed up would increase and sap some of the power from
the lobe towards the horizon. If it were shorter, the main lobe would be
fatter and power would be spread over a larger, slightly higher angle.

A drawback of the 0.58 wavelength antenna is that it is not as easily matched.
Such antennas are often matched with a tapped coil. The bottom of the coil is
connected to ground, the top to the antenna element, and the co-axial
transmission line center conductor is connected to a tap on the coil.

73, Fred, K4DII


Fred McKenzie April 8th 04 05:30 AM

Please help me out with the math. What is the length of a 5/8s wavelength 2
meter antenna? I've got something that might be able to be cut to the freq.

Moody-

Did you realize what a stimulating topic this was going to be? Perhaps I can
help by announcing that there are two slightly different legitimate answers.

First, radio waves travel very close to 300 million meters per second. The two
meter band is roughly at a frequency of 150 million Hertz, so one wavelength
would be 300 million divided by 150 million. I think you get the idea, and can
use your exact frequency to get the exact wavelength. In the case of a 5/8th
wavelength antenna, simply multiply the calculated wavelength by 5/8 (or
0.625). (One inch equals 0.0254 meters.)

To use such an antenna, you must find a way to connect your transmission line
to the antenna and a ground plane, so that it matches. In other words, you
want to transfer the maximum amount of power to the antenna so it can be
radiated, and reflect the minimum amount of power back to the transmitter.

The beauty of a 5/8th wavelength (ground plane) antenna, is that it is
extremely easy to match. Its input impedance is 50 Ohms resistive in series
with a small amount of capacitance. Therefore you need a small amount of
series inductance to match it. Some higher-frequency examples use the
stainless element itself, wound in a small coil near its base.

The other "legitimate" answer is that a given 5/8th wavelength antenna you buy,
may actually be 0.58 wavelength, NOT 0.625. Such antennas are usually called
5/8th because of the confusion between 0.58 and 5/8.

The beauty of a 0.58 wavelength (groundplane) antenna, is that it concentrates
the maximum amount of power towards the horizon, compared to other similarly
constructed antennas (according to my Antennas Professor, 35 years ago). While
it is true that there is a small lobe towards the sky above, the main lobe is
sharper than the lobe of a quarter wave ground plane, and is aimed almost
directly at the horizon. If the vertical element were any longer (say, 0.625
wavelength), the lobe pointed up would increase and sap some of the power from
the lobe towards the horizon. If it were shorter, the main lobe would be
fatter and power would be spread over a larger, slightly higher angle.

A drawback of the 0.58 wavelength antenna is that it is not as easily matched.
Such antennas are often matched with a tapped coil. The bottom of the coil is
connected to ground, the top to the antenna element, and the co-axial
transmission line center conductor is connected to a tap on the coil.

73, Fred, K4DII


WG April 8th 04 06:14 AM

Instead of posting look the formula up in your study guide. Learn how to
find your information in the guides and Tec manuals first. Go out and pick
up a copy of the ARRL Handbook and learn how to use it. It has the basic
formulas in it and how to put them to practical use. I had to question how
you got your license also not knowing that formula. I will give you 1 piece
of advice. When you are working with metric DON'T Convert just keep it all
metric.

"Moody1951" wrote in message
...
Roger, you're right. I am stupid. Thank you for so kindly for pointing

that
out. We all need more "Elmers" like you.





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