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Marine VHF Radio for Truck
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/2/2013 12:59 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/2/2013 12:01 AM, wrote: snip $100 Hong Kong is $12.89 US; I doubt you will find many VHF marine radios $12.89 US. There are amateur radios available for $500 HK. That is not out of the question. $500 is 5 times $100, which is the amount in question. Yup. Glad to see you can do multiplication. Shall we try division now? Shall we try to pay attention to what was written, i.e. radios for $100? And I don't know what other countries use the dollar, but I'm sure there are. I already told you what they are. That's all of them? I know you didn't mention Hong Kong in your earlier post. I didn't mention all of them because the exchange rate make a $100 radio a ludicrous idea. snip Which does not mean short stations do not have to be licensed. They still do. Yes, but the original question was about monitoring, and no license is required for that. No, but then you don't need a transceiver on land, either. A simple scanner will suffice. Likely, but he also specifically said he might want to use it on his boat. However, he specifically is asking about installing a radio. To me this means he wants to monitor the *trip*, not the frequency - and to do so is interested in talking to those in the kayaks. Why else would he be asking about installing a radio, instead of just a receiver? Because: 1. A scanner may have never occured to him. 2. He also might use it on his boat as he said. snip It is exactly the issue. You can't say whether a license is required or not until you know what country the OP is in. How much are you willing to bet he is in neither the USA or Canada, both of which have essentially the same rules. I'm not willing to bet anything, because I don't make assumptions one way or the other. And I don't give advice based on facts I don't know. Ever heard the saying "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."? Everything he wrote points to being from the US with a slight chance of Canada. Also, your "advice" had nothing to do with the questions asked and instead immediately took the position of net cop to make *sure* everything he did was legal in your eyes. Also, he said he wanted to monitor on land. Again - he said he wanted to monitor the trip - not the frequency. And he specifically asked about installing a radio - instead of a handheld. To me this means he also wants to talk. He actually said he wanted to monitor several things. snip That does not mean the licensing requirements are the same. They are for the USA and Canada. No where did he say where he was from. You are making an unwarranted assumption. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Also where he is is irrelevant to the questions he actually asked. snip I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe North Korea... But you don't know. As I said before, in the U.S., marine stations still need to be licensed when on land (the same is true of aircraft radios, BTW). Which has nothing to do with what I said; read it again. No, it doesn't have anything to do with what YOU said. But it has EVERYTHING to do with what the OP said. Nope, I said the Internet is full of *reviews*. You immediately went off on legalities. Two differnent subjects. -- Jim Pennino |
Marine VHF Radio for Truck
On 9/2/2013 3:55 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/2/2013 12:59 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/2/2013 12:01 AM, wrote: snip $100 Hong Kong is $12.89 US; I doubt you will find many VHF marine radios $12.89 US. There are amateur radios available for $500 HK. That is not out of the question. $500 is 5 times $100, which is the amount in question. Yup. Glad to see you can do multiplication. Shall we try division now? Shall we try to pay attention to what was written, i.e. radios for $100? Exactly. And there are some awfully cheap radios coming from China nowadays. Like this one: http://www.radioddity.com/us/baofeng...ham-radio.html Easily within the $100-500 HK. And I don't know what other countries use the dollar, but I'm sure there are. I already told you what they are. That's all of them? I know you didn't mention Hong Kong in your earlier post. I didn't mention all of them because the exchange rate make a $100 radio a ludicrous idea. Like the one I mentioned above? And are ALL Asian exchange rates the same? I don't think so. snip Which does not mean short stations do not have to be licensed. They still do. Yes, but the original question was about monitoring, and no license is required for that. No, but then you don't need a transceiver on land, either. A simple scanner will suffice. Likely, but he also specifically said he might want to use it on his boat. Which would indicate a transceiver. However, he specifically is asking about installing a radio. To me this means he wants to monitor the *trip*, not the frequency - and to do so is interested in talking to those in the kayaks. Why else would he be asking about installing a radio, instead of just a receiver? Because: 1. A scanner may have never occured to him. 2. He also might use it on his boat as he said. In which case he would need a license to use it in his truck in many (most?) countries. snip It is exactly the issue. You can't say whether a license is required or not until you know what country the OP is in. How much are you willing to bet he is in neither the USA or Canada, both of which have essentially the same rules. I'm not willing to bet anything, because I don't make assumptions one way or the other. And I don't give advice based on facts I don't know. Ever heard the saying "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."? Everything he wrote points to being from the US with a slight chance of Canada. To use your language: Quack, Quack. Nothing he wrote pointed to any country. Also, your "advice" had nothing to do with the questions asked and instead immediately took the position of net cop to make *sure* everything he did was legal in your eyes. No, I am making sure the advice I give is legal in HIS jurisdiction. Obviously you don't care - you are more interested in arguing. Also, he said he wanted to monitor on land. Again - he said he wanted to monitor the trip - not the frequency. And he specifically asked about installing a radio - instead of a handheld. To me this means he also wants to talk. He actually said he wanted to monitor several things. Sure. And he specifically mentioned he wanted a radio instead of a handheld, and wanted to use it in his boat as well as his truck. Everything points to him asking for a transceiver. snip That does not mean the licensing requirements are the same. They are for the USA and Canada. No where did he say where he was from. You are making an unwarranted assumption. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Quack, quack. Also where he is is irrelevant to the questions he actually asked. Where he is is COMPLETELY relevant to the question he asked. But you are more interested in proving your point than giving him correct answers. snip I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe North Korea... But you don't know. As I said before, in the U.S., marine stations still need to be licensed when on land (the same is true of aircraft radios, BTW). Which has nothing to do with what I said; read it again. No, it doesn't have anything to do with what YOU said. But it has EVERYTHING to do with what the OP said. Nope, I said the Internet is full of *reviews*. You immediately went off on legalities. Two differnent subjects. Obviously you can't read what I said. Once again - I wasn't talking about what YOU said (I really couldn't care less). I was replying to what the OP said. But you are really hooked on you being right, aren't you? Me, I'd rather give the OP answers which are legal where HE is. Which once again, we don't know because he hasn't said. Just because YOU are in the United States (or Canada) does NOT mean the rest of the world is. This is a typical US-centric attitude I have seen over and over again. There are other countries, you know. And some of them even use radios. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle, AI0K ================== |
Marine VHF Radio for Truck
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
snip Obviously you can't read what I said. Once again - I wasn't talking about what YOU said (I really couldn't care less). I was replying to what the OP said. But you are really hooked on you being right, aren't you? Me, I'd rather give the OP answers which are legal where HE is. Which once again, we don't know because he hasn't said. Just because YOU are in the United States (or Canada) does NOT mean the rest of the world is. This is a typical US-centric attitude I have seen over and over again. There are other countries, you know. And some of them even use radios. Here is the orginal question: "Other than the obvious features like the remote mic unit, what should I look for in getting a quality unit that will work the best without breaking the bank." FYI a feature is something like how many memories, are the backlights dimmable, or does it have a built in AC power supply. Nothing in that question has any relevance to what country the asker is in. You ignored the only question he had and went off on a net cop tangent about legalities and needing to know what country he is in. To be complete in that line of thinking you also need to know of which country he is a citizen as any good net cop should know most countries do not issue radio licenses to foreigner. As for me, I just like having fun poking at net cops that get their panties in a wad and go of on irrelevant tangets when someone asks a rather simple question. -- Jim Pennino |
Marine VHF Radio for Truck
On 9/2/2013 6:47 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: snip Obviously you can't read what I said. Once again - I wasn't talking about what YOU said (I really couldn't care less). I was replying to what the OP said. But you are really hooked on you being right, aren't you? Me, I'd rather give the OP answers which are legal where HE is. Which once again, we don't know because he hasn't said. Just because YOU are in the United States (or Canada) does NOT mean the rest of the world is. This is a typical US-centric attitude I have seen over and over again. There are other countries, you know. And some of them even use radios. Here is the orginal question: "Other than the obvious features like the remote mic unit, what should I look for in getting a quality unit that will work the best without breaking the bank." FYI a feature is something like how many memories, are the backlights dimmable, or does it have a built in AC power supply. Nothing in that question has any relevance to what country the asker is in. You ignored the only question he had and went off on a net cop tangent about legalities and needing to know what country he is in. To be complete in that line of thinking you also need to know of which country he is a citizen as any good net cop should know most countries do not issue radio licenses to foreigner. You obviously don't understand what the term "net cop" means. Or you wouldn't be one. As for me, I just like having fun poking at net cops that get their panties in a wad and go of on irrelevant tangets when someone asks a rather simple question. So you admit you're a troll as well as a net cop? It figures. plonk -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. ================== |
Marine VHF Radio for Truck
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
snip You obviously don't understand what the term "net cop" means. Or you wouldn't be one. I guess to be accurate I would have to describe your actions as part net cop, part barracks lawyer. In any case, you are a pompous ass that insists that questions be asked in your approved manner and answers questions that were never asked. -- Jim Pennino |
You can monitor anything - that does not require a license to do.
However, there is a range restriction when operating on land. So many feet away from the water. Your groups needs would be better served with a bunch of bubble pack GMRS radios - the amount of power has very little to do with the range. Range is dependent on a clear line of sight and the height of the antenna's and the loss in the feed lines. |
Marine VHF Radio for Truck
On 9/2/2013 4:49 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
wrote: I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe North Korea... The US has specific rules and regulations about land use of marine frequencies. It would be best to find them out, there is a rumor floating around the internet about an FCC officer happening to be at return end of a boat rental stopping people and issuing NALs for people using non approved or unlicensed radios for FRS GMRS and marine services. Basically, you are licensed by use of a VHF marine radio ON A BOAT, but having or using that radio in a car or building, or using it on land, for example in a boat in your backyard is restricted. There also is a story floating around the internet of a logging company using marine radios on their boats and trucks being fined by the FCC. Best to check it out from someone who knows the right answer before you spend any money or get in trouble. I have to say I didn't expect quite so much drama in what I thought was a simple request. I don't mean you specifically, but the thread as a whole. Yes, I am in the US. The radio will be used to support marine communications which is legal by my understanding. Shore operation is ok as long as one end is a ship. My specific purpose is to support a kayak trip in a couple of weeks. We have had some bad weather before and found it difficult to communicate with the kayaks depending on their location because of the limited power of the hand held units. I'd like to improve on this by using a higher power transmitter and a better antenna. This will likely be used for monitoring the emergency channel at a lake house when not used to support kayaks. I thought I explained this in my original post other than the country. Oh, and I don't have a license. BTW, I didn't find much in the way of reviews. Mostly I find ads. Is there a good review site for marine VHF? For kayaks that would be paddling.com I also would appreciate any advice on mounting in the pickup. I'm thinking on the back of the cab but I'm not sure how the cable would then run. It might poke out behind a passenger's head... -- Rick |
Marine VHF Radio for Truck
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Marine VHF Radio for Truck
On 9/2/2013 1:11 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In , wrote: I doubt I'll be mounting this in a boat although that is a possibility someday, I do have a ski boat. But more likely is that I'll mount it at my house on a lake to provide some amount of emergency monitoring. So I expect to mount it in the pickup so it can be easily removed and brought into the house. I guess that means a second antenna too. Rick- I am assuming you can manage the legal requirements for use of the radio. As others mentioned, a license may be needed. One question you must address, is what kind of range do you need to cover? VHF radios are essentially line-of-sight. Due to the curvature of the earth, the "radio horizon" will limit your range. You can estimate the distance in miles to the radio horizon, as the square root of twice the altitude of your antenna in feet. For example, the antenna on the roof of your truck will be approximately five feet off the ground. The square root of ten is about 3.2, so your horizon on level ground will be about 3 miles away. You can add the distance to the kayak's horizon to yours. So it would matter if the kayak is on a mountainous stream or on the open ocean or lake. If vehicle mounting does not provide the range you need, a tall antenna may be required at the house. (Have you considered using cell phones?) Hi Fred, I appreciate the response. I'm not sure there is a lot of value to calculating the line of sight for the antenna mount. I don't have much choice in the mount other than having to make it lower because of some practical consideration like hitting bridges... As to need, I want the max I can get of course. The other end of the link will all be handheld radios. The kayaks will be on the Chesapeake Bay, but close to shore. So land obstructions will be the limiting factor most of the time. At least it seemed that way on prior trips. But I don't have a lot of experience with the hand held units we used so I'm not sure what I should have expected. The sort of issue I'm more interested in discussing are things like what type of antenna and how best to mount and connect it to the radio. Of course, I'm interested in the radios if anyone here has experience with them. I see 25 Watt (which I'm assuming is the max available) units at the bottom end for just over $100 and others which seem to be similar in regards to the specs I understand for over $200 and of course the prices run upward too. Are there aspects I should look for that I need to dig deeper into the specs to find? For example is there some spec on the internals of the receiver that would make a weakly received signal more clear than another radio? What about the speaker itself? Would it be better to have an external speaker or is the internal speaker usually ok? I'm looking for advice from those who are experienced with marine VHF. Of course, I don't know what I don't know, so I'm looking for help figuring out the questions. -- Rick |
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