5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old
brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell
yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

I have taught Morse Code off and on for 40 years and from total ignorance to
100% success in 8 hours, 2 hours a week for 4 weeks [plus a little home
practice. It is practice [work] that makes it successful.]

Some people can learn the code but suffer from "TEST STRESS". They can copy it
comfortably in their home or their surroundings; but, when they have to
demonstrate that skill in front of a 'WITNESS' who has pass/fail power, they
tense up and fail. That's understandable and can be worked with.

Some people are dyslexic. But, they can hear it and talk it out, but can't get
it on paper. But, they learned the code.

If you can learn the english alphabet, if you can learn the english language, if
you can read this email then you CAN LEARN Morse Code at 5 WPM. You may never
progress to 20 wpm [It took me 24 months at 1 hour of practice a day every day
to progress from 5 to 20 wpm] but 5 wpm can be learned.

Teaching methods, practice criteria and testing/verification methods become
critical for those with difficulty.

/s/ DD, W1MCE

Sal M. Onella wrote:

"gravity" wrote in message news:4496bf14$0$14238


5 WPM is easy.


Nonsense.

Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but steer
clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't do it.

I'll top post again for brevity and getting to the point.

I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this.

Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the changes
will be positive.

Dave wrote:

5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year
old brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't
even spell yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

MAJOR SNIPPING from here down.

"Dave" wrote in message
. ..
I'll top post again for brevity and getting to the point.

I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this.

Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the
changes
will be positive.


i have an idea. get rid of the CW and triple the difficulty of the written
test. there is certain element of society, which needs to be kept out of
the HF spectrum.

Gravity

Dave wrote:

5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year
old brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't
even spell yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

MAJOR SNIPPING from here down.

gravity wrote:
i have an idea. get rid of the CW and triple the difficulty of the written
test. there is certain element of society, which needs to be kept out of
the HF spectrum.

How about just requiring a scientific/technical
degree from an accredited university?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Cecil Moore wrote in
.com:

gravity wrote:
i have an idea. get rid of the CW and triple the difficulty of the
written test. there is certain element of society, which needs to be
kept out of the HF spectrum.

How about just requiring a scientific/technical
degree from an accredited university?

That's kind of funny but you know, I could actually agree to that. An EE
degree gets you a licence. You're certainly qualified. :-)

SC

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:42:03 -0400, Dave wrote:


I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this.

Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the changes
will be positive.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Don't be sad my friend. CW will survive if people find it useful, and
especially if the diehards will stop jamming it down people's throats.

News flash: People don't like that with CW or anything else! :-)

73, Bill W6WRT
20 wpm extra, licensed 49 yrs

Dave wrote:
5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old
brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell
yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

I have taught Morse Code off and on for 40 years and from total ignorance to
100% success in 8 hours, 2 hours a week for 4 weeks [plus a little home
practice. It is practice [work] that makes it successful.]

bulls**** or I'd would have a noivice license rough 3 decades ago

Some people can learn the code but suffer from "TEST STRESS". They can copy it
comfortably in their home or their surroundings; but, when they have to
demonstrate that skill in front of a 'WITNESS' who has pass/fail power, they
tense up and fail. That's understandable and can be worked with.

never could do it alone with any reliablity either

Some people are dyslexic. But, they can hear it and talk it out, but can't get
it on paper. But, they learned the code.
some dyslexics can true

If you can learn the english alphabet, if you can learn the english language, if
you can read this email then you CAN LEARN Morse Code at 5 WPM. You may never
progress to 20 wpm [It took me 24 months at 1 hour of practice a day every day
to progress from 5 to 20 wpm] but 5 wpm can be learned.
shove you insistance that you can speak for eveyone where the sun don't
shine

Teaching methods, practice criteria and testing/verification methods become
critical for those with difficulty.
indeed as do factors like random chance

/s/ DD, W1MCE
now even if you are right why should somebody be made to take this test
after Icould endure 10 lashes in a public sqare too (and thatwould
certainly be easier)

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave wrote:
5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old
brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell
yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

I have taught Morse Code off and on for 40 years and from total ignorance to
100% success in 8 hours, 2 hours a week for 4 weeks [plus a little home
practice. It is practice [work] that makes it successful.]

bulls**** or I'd would have a noivice license rough 3 decades ago

Some people can learn the code but suffer from "TEST STRESS". They can copy it
comfortably in their home or their surroundings; but, when they have to
demonstrate that skill in front of a 'WITNESS' who has pass/fail power, they
tense up and fail. That's understandable and can be worked with.

never could do it alone with any reliablity either

Some people are dyslexic. But, they can hear it and talk it out, but can't get
it on paper. But, they learned the code.
some dyslexics can true

If you can learn the english alphabet, if you can learn the english language, if
you can read this email then you CAN LEARN Morse Code at 5 WPM. You may never
progress to 20 wpm [It took me 24 months at 1 hour of practice a day every day
to progress from 5 to 20 wpm] but 5 wpm can be learned.
shove you insistance that you can speak for eveyone where the sun don't
shine

Teaching methods, practice criteria and testing/verification methods become
critical for those with difficulty.
indeed as do factors like random chance

/s/ DD, W1MCE
now even if you are right why should somebody be made to take this test
after Icould endure 10 lashes in a public sqare too (and thatwould
certainly be easier)

Poor Markie, so bitter that kids can pass morse code tests and he is
too stupid to pass one.

SNIPPED

Poor Markie, so bitter that kids can pass morse code tests and he is
too stupid to pass one.


NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.

I said some people have difficulty learning or learning one particular subject.

It is reported that Albert Einstein had difficulty learning Calculus. The man
was a Physics genius but needed help with advanced math.

I hold a degree in engineering and have completed four years of seminary, but I
have not been able to learn conversational SPANISH. [About two years after
ordination the Cardinal requested that I learn Spanish at the seminary . After
two months the instructor approved my withdrawal from the class. I could learn
vocabulary, how to read, write and the grammar for spanish, but my ear does not
hear spanish. Total immersion in a Spanish speaking community would be the way
for me to learn.]

I still say, anyone who can learn an/the alphabet can learn Morse Code. For
those with difficulty, the solution to the issue is teaching METHODs not the
student's difficulty. Any alphabet is recognizing sound patterns. Words are
simply combinations of sound patterns.

For 'an_old_friend' I would begin by teaching an alphabet of SOUND PATTERNS. No
requirement for speed. Just focus on sound patterns. Keep it very simple. Each
two hour lesson would focus on no more than 7 letters until well heard. Then
move to SOUND PATTERNS that are close to or similar to those [s]he has learned
and is mastering. [Example: learn the sound patterns for 'A', 'W', and 'J'
repeat until they are instantly recognized. Then move on to 'N' 'D', 'B', etc.
Don't count 'dots' or 'dashes' but hear sound patterns.]

The next two hour session, one week later, would begin with a review then add
'T, M, O' followed by 'E, I, S, H'. Drill sound patterns. Then end the session
by sending simple words using the 1/2 of the alphabet that has been studied.
Speed is NOT a requirement! Accuracy is! If Farnsworth timing at 18 wpm is a
roadblock, then change practice timing to 13 wpm or 10 wpm or 7 1/2 wpm or 5 wpm
or 3 wpm. SPEED is NOT a REQUIREMENT! Accuracy is!

The next two weeks complete the alphabet. Week five would include the numbers
and common punctuation. [5 sound character patterns and 6 sound character patterns].

Having said all this, my defense of CW is not any legal requirement. It is
simply the best way to work rare DX. Much less power required. Much less
bandwidth required. Much more discernible [copyable] in a pile. And, it is fun!

/s/ DD, W1MCE

It is reported that Albert Einstein had difficulty learning Calculus. The
man
was a Physics genius but needed help with advanced math.

it was differential geometry that Einstein was unfamiliar with. when
formulating relativity, he realized that he needed tools that he was not
familiar with. so he went to a mathematician friend and learned which tools
he needed.

please understand this in the context of 1912. differential geometry was
fairly new back then, i believe it came from Riemann.

it's possible for some branches of math and physics to be relatively arcane.
for instance, de Borges attempted proofs use operator theory. most
mathematics students cannot read his papers. in fact, most professional
mathematicians can't read them either. the only reason that de Borges proof
of Bieberbach became accepted is that it was rewritten by other Europeans.

it's not uncommon for a theoretical physicist to have to learn a new branch
of math to solve a problem. for instance, string theorists working on the
landscape turned to statistics.

Gravity