dual band radios that transmit frs channels
 

besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

My old Alinco DJ-580 will do FRS at around 5 watts.
"Neill Burkett" wrote in message
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besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

yep most wil after mods are done.
"Neill Burkett" wrote in message
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besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

In article , Neill Burkett says...

besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

If there are, they won't be able to do so legally unless the
output power gets stepped down to FRS levels when the FRS channel is
selected.


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:01:37 -0700, Dr. Anton Squeegee
wrote:

In article , Neill Burkett says...

besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

If there are, they won't be able to do so legally unless the
output power gets stepped down to FRS levels when the FRS channel is
selected.

That is one issue, but if they are not type accepted with all of the
limitations intended for FRS, it is not legal to transmit, no matter
how modified.

Happy trails,
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Aren't you just smarter then the average bear Booboo?

My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI

but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:21:23 -0400, Scott Unit 69
wrote:

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Aren't you just smarter then the average bear Booboo?

Yes, just a little bit smarter than the average bear.

And you were smart enough to figure that out. ;-)

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Aren't you just smarter then the average bear Booboo?

Yes, just a little bit smarter than the average bear.

And you were smart enough to figure that out. ;-)


It's meaning was clear the moment I saw it. I do a real
good Yogi imitation.

Lotta info there. Thanks.

Steve KA4TMB

"Scott Unit 69" wrote in message ...
What are the frequencies or frequency range for FRS and GMRS?
I am already receiving cordless phones and baby monitors on one of my receivers.
I would like to check the activity on FRS and GMRS.


Get it from the horse's mouth:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/

"Neill Burkett" wrote in message
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besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well


Several of the "higher end" Alinco HT's will Tx/Rx in
the FRS and also the GMRS bands, after modification.

Yeasu VX-5R and VX-1R I know for sure, and probably the VX-7R and VX2R as
well. The VX-5R can transmit on MURS and 49 MHz walkie-talkie channels,
too. Probably the vast majority of dual-banders can be modded for MURS and
FRS use. Be advised that using them to transmit within those services is
illegal.


"Neill Burkett" wrote in message
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besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

In article , Gary S. says...

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:01:37 -0700, Dr. Anton Squeegee
wrote:

In article , Neill Burkett says...

besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

If there are, they won't be able to do so legally unless the
output power gets stepped down to FRS levels when the FRS channel is
selected.

That is one issue, but if they are not type accepted with all of the
limitations intended for FRS, it is not legal to transmit, no matter
how modified.

Ah! Thanks, Gary, excellent point. I'd forgotten that FRS radios
need to be type accepted as well.


--
Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green)

Power has nothing really to do with it to make it legal.
Any ham radio is not FCC type accepted to transmit on FRS.

"Dr. Anton Squeegee" wrote:

In article , Neill Burkett says...

besides the radio shack htx 420 / are there any other radios, preferably
dual band tranceiver that can transmit on the FRS channels as well

If there are, they won't be able to do so legally unless the
output power gets stepped down to FRS levels when the FRS channel is
selected.

--
Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green)

In article , Mark V. Russo says...

Power has nothing really to do with it to make it legal.

I beg to differ. FRS is, by FCC regulation, limited to a maximum
of 500mW ERP, and an antenna that is fixed/non-modifiable. Any
transmitter above that power level on FRS frequencies is very much
illegal.

Any ham radio is not FCC type accepted to transmit on FRS.

As I found out later after reading the FRS page at the FCC. I had
neglected to mention it before because I was unaware of it.


--
Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green)

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:28:27 -0400,
Scott Unit 69 wrote:
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Aren't you just smarter then the average bear Booboo?

Yes, just a little bit smarter than the average bear.

And you were smart enough to figure that out. ;-)


It's meaning was clear the moment I saw it. I do a real
good Yogi imitation.

Yogi Bear or Yogi Beara?

I was just stating using a ham radio what ever the power level is not legal
on FRS.
73

"Dr. Anton Squeegee" wrote:

In article , Mark V. Russo says...

Power has nothing really to do with it to make it legal.

I beg to differ. FRS is, by FCC regulation, limited to a maximum
of 500mW ERP, and an antenna that is fixed/non-modifiable. Any
transmitter above that power level on FRS frequencies is very much
illegal.

Any ham radio is not FCC type accepted to transmit on FRS.

As I found out later after reading the FRS page at the FCC. I had
neglected to mention it before because I was unaware of it.

--
Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green)

Ah, darn. That means I can't use a 700 mW xcvr.

Ah, darn. That means I can't use a 700 mW xcvr.

Dr. Anton Squeegee wrote:
In article , Mark V. Russo says...


Power has nothing really to do with it to make it legal.


I beg to differ. FRS is, by FCC regulation, limited to a maximum
of 500mW ERP, and an antenna that is fixed/non-modifiable. Any
transmitter above that power level on FRS frequencies is very much
illegal.

That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html



Any ham radio is not FCC type accepted to transmit on FRS.

That is true.

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Dr. Anton Squeegee wrote:
In article , Mark V. Russo says...


Power has nothing really to do with it to make it legal.


I beg to differ. FRS is, by FCC regulation, limited to a maximum
of 500mW ERP, and an antenna that is fixed/non-modifiable. Any
transmitter above that power level on FRS frequencies is very much
illegal.

That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html



Any ham radio is not FCC type accepted to transmit on FRS.

That is true.

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That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html

No, GMRS uses 5W on GMRS frequencies that happen to be
SHARED with FRS. The radios that cover both the GMRS unique
and FRS unique frequencies will ONLY use FRS power levels on
the FRS unique frequencies.

Mike

That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html

No, GMRS uses 5W on GMRS frequencies that happen to be
SHARED with FRS. The radios that cover both the GMRS unique
and FRS unique frequencies will ONLY use FRS power levels on
the FRS unique frequencies.

Mike

that is a common misconception, most retail place sell what they call frs
when if fact the are gmrs..but correct you are .... gmrs channel 1 thru 7
are used as gmrs radio. with a diffrent deveiation that is why frs does not
sound as good a gmrs radio.
"Mike Yetsko" wrote in message
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That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html

No, GMRS uses 5W on GMRS frequencies that happen to be
SHARED with FRS. The radios that cover both the GMRS unique
and FRS unique frequencies will ONLY use FRS power levels on
the FRS unique frequencies.

Mike

that is a common misconception, most retail place sell what they call frs
when if fact the are gmrs..but correct you are .... gmrs channel 1 thru 7
are used as gmrs radio. with a diffrent deveiation that is why frs does not
sound as good a gmrs radio.
"Mike Yetsko" wrote in message
...

That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html

No, GMRS uses 5W on GMRS frequencies that happen to be
SHARED with FRS. The radios that cover both the GMRS unique
and FRS unique frequencies will ONLY use FRS power levels on
the FRS unique frequencies.

Mike

Mike Yetsko wrote:

That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html


No, GMRS uses 5W on GMRS frequencies that happen to be
SHARED with FRS. The radios that cover both the GMRS unique
and FRS unique frequencies will ONLY use FRS power levels on
the FRS unique frequencies.

Mike



Well, if you want to put a fine point on it, FRS actually shares the
GMRS frequencies, not the other way around. GMRS is the primary user.
FRS must not cause, and must accept, any interference with GMRS.
Obviously, if a transmitter uses a frequency that is not a allocated for
GMRS, then it must use power settings that are appropriate for that
particular service.

All the best, and 73,
Dave KZ1O

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Mike Yetsko wrote:

That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html


No, GMRS uses 5W on GMRS frequencies that happen to be
SHARED with FRS. The radios that cover both the GMRS unique
and FRS unique frequencies will ONLY use FRS power levels on
the FRS unique frequencies.

Mike



Well, if you want to put a fine point on it, FRS actually shares the
GMRS frequencies, not the other way around. GMRS is the primary user.
FRS must not cause, and must accept, any interference with GMRS.
Obviously, if a transmitter uses a frequency that is not a allocated for
GMRS, then it must use power settings that are appropriate for that
particular service.

All the best, and 73,
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In emergencies, all restrictions are null and void.

Else one is condoning death an/or dismemberment because of 'man-made'
regulations.

I bet if your life were on the line you'd voluntarily give it up so as
not to violate the 'man-made' regulations. N'est ce pas?

In emergencies, all restrictions are null and void.

Else one is condoning death an/or dismemberment because of 'man-made'
regulations.

I bet if your life were on the line you'd voluntarily give it up so as
not to violate the 'man-made' regulations. N'est ce pas?

...Be advised that using them to transmit within those services is
illegal.

Emergencies negate prohibiting regulations.

...Be advised that using them to transmit within those services is
illegal.

Emergencies negate prohibiting regulations.

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI

I'll tell you why: go and listen to 14.313 any time and see how hams
have been made to look like idiots. Or if 20 isn't open, try most spots
between 3900-400 kHz.


David wrote:

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI





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I'll tell you why: go and listen to 14.313 any time and see how hams
have been made to look like idiots. Or if 20 isn't open, try most spots
between 3900-400 kHz.


David wrote:

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI





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"David" ) writes:
Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI


Everyone is so concerned about how much trouble it is for hams
when they can't use the same rig for other services, they forget
that it works both ways. Do we really want other services using
equipment that they can turn a knob on and use on the ham frequencies?

We only have to look at threads such as this over the years to see
that hams, who should know better and follow the rules carefully,
don't always respect the law. If a ham thinks "it won't hurt anyone"
to use a ham rig in some other service, then can anyone really expect
the average person who may know none of the radio laws to not turn
the knob and make use of the ham bands?

Once you've left the ham bands, you aren't a ham anymore.
You have to be like everyone else, and that means type approved
equipment. The type approval is not merely so someone "too dumb"
won't violate the rules. It is also about higher standards that
may be required when moving into a more important radio service.

Michael VE2BVW

"David" ) writes:
Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
...
My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI


Everyone is so concerned about how much trouble it is for hams
when they can't use the same rig for other services, they forget
that it works both ways. Do we really want other services using
equipment that they can turn a knob on and use on the ham frequencies?

We only have to look at threads such as this over the years to see
that hams, who should know better and follow the rules carefully,
don't always respect the law. If a ham thinks "it won't hurt anyone"
to use a ham rig in some other service, then can anyone really expect
the average person who may know none of the radio laws to not turn
the knob and make use of the ham bands?

Once you've left the ham bands, you aren't a ham anymore.
You have to be like everyone else, and that means type approved
equipment. The type approval is not merely so someone "too dumb"
won't violate the rules. It is also about higher standards that
may be required when moving into a more important radio service.

Michael VE2BVW

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:32:54 -0600, Dean Arthur
wrote:

In emergencies, all restrictions are null and void.

Else one is condoning death an/or dismemberment because of 'man-made'
regulations.

I bet if your life were on the line you'd voluntarily give it up so as
not to violate the 'man-made' regulations. N'est ce pas?

Actually, the FCC regs make allowance for emergencies in various
services.

However, you should try legal means first even in an emergency.

Modifying gear ahead of time to transmit on frequencies you are not
licensed for would be at best, a legal gray area.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:32:54 -0600, Dean Arthur
wrote:

In emergencies, all restrictions are null and void.

Else one is condoning death an/or dismemberment because of 'man-made'
regulations.

I bet if your life were on the line you'd voluntarily give it up so as
not to violate the 'man-made' regulations. N'est ce pas?

Actually, the FCC regs make allowance for emergencies in various
services.

However, you should try legal means first even in an emergency.

Modifying gear ahead of time to transmit on frequencies you are not
licensed for would be at best, a legal gray area.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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