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Old September 21st 03, 03:23 PM
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Howdy,

Recently I hear more and more hams using "kilowatt" as the phonetic for the
letter K. The correct phonetic is "kilo".

73 de Jack, K9CUN. That's...

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Old September 21st 03, 03:57 PM
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"JDer8745" wrote in message
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Howdy,

Recently I hear more and more hams using "kilowatt" as the phonetic for

the
letter K. The correct phonetic is "kilo".

73 de Jack, K9CUN. That's...

kickapoo niner certain underwear neurosis


And as the knowledge of new Hams shrinks (thanks to the efforts of NCI and
the like to reduce Ham radio to little more than CB radio) you will see more
of it.

Ham Radio, RIP.

10-73's!


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"JDer8745" wrote in message
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Howdy,

Recently I hear more and more hams using "kilowatt" as the phonetic for

the
letter K. The correct phonetic is "kilo".

73 de Jack, K9CUN. That's...

kickapoo niner certain underwear neurosis


And as the knowledge of new Hams shrinks (thanks to the efforts of NCI and
the like to reduce Ham radio to little more than CB radio) you will see more
of it.

Ham Radio, RIP.

10-73's!


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Old September 21st 03, 04:15 PM
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Ah phonetics

The ARRL and many other national entities recommend the NATO phonetics
for Amateur Radio use as most Hams around the world recognize them.

This alphabet dates from about 1955 and is approved by the
International Civil Aviation Organization, the FAA and the
International Telecommunication Union,
and many National Amateur Leagues/Societies/Orgs.
Note that different bodies prefer different spellings, so one also sees:
Alfa Juliett Juliette Oskar Viktor]

Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India
Juliet Kilo Lima Mike November Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo
Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whiskey Xray Yankee Zulu

See URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html
-----------------------------------------

However the DX crowd over many years have used their own set --
which includes kilowatt. May be "wrong phonetics", but a fact of life for a
long time.
Unofficial but common DX phonetics are at URL:
http://ac6v.com/dxphonetics.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------

Next we have funny phonetics which are memorable and easy to recall -
like K6AKT - Karl Six Always Killing Time
Wrong phonetics but very very common on VHF repeaters and HF Contests
--------------------------------------------------

Next we have the old timers who insist on the WWII phonetics:
Able Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox George How Item Jig King
Love Mike Nan Oboe Peter Queen Roger Sugar Tare Uncle Victor
William X-ray Yoke Zebra
And these guys are always tuning after a CQ Call !!
-------------------------------------------------

Then we have the civil entity phonetics. Some hams but many don't use or
understand these:
Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra
And a lot of other Boy/Girl names depending on locale
-----------------------------------------------------

Then we have Hams who don't know any of these and you might hear -- Name is
Tim - Texaco Indigo Macy's
Actually heard this one!

Bottom line -- use the NATO phonetics -- so most all will understand and
always during an emergency.

--
73 From The Signal In The Noise
Caveat Lector Ya All
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"JDer8745" wrote in message
...
Howdy,

Recently I hear more and more hams using "kilowatt" as the phonetic for

the
letter K. The correct phonetic is "kilo".

73 de Jack, K9CUN. That's...

kickapoo niner certain underwear neurosis



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Old September 21st 03, 04:15 PM
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Ah phonetics

The ARRL and many other national entities recommend the NATO phonetics
for Amateur Radio use as most Hams around the world recognize them.

This alphabet dates from about 1955 and is approved by the
International Civil Aviation Organization, the FAA and the
International Telecommunication Union,
and many National Amateur Leagues/Societies/Orgs.
Note that different bodies prefer different spellings, so one also sees:
Alfa Juliett Juliette Oskar Viktor]

Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India
Juliet Kilo Lima Mike November Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo
Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whiskey Xray Yankee Zulu

See URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html
-----------------------------------------

However the DX crowd over many years have used their own set --
which includes kilowatt. May be "wrong phonetics", but a fact of life for a
long time.
Unofficial but common DX phonetics are at URL:
http://ac6v.com/dxphonetics.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------

Next we have funny phonetics which are memorable and easy to recall -
like K6AKT - Karl Six Always Killing Time
Wrong phonetics but very very common on VHF repeaters and HF Contests
--------------------------------------------------

Next we have the old timers who insist on the WWII phonetics:
Able Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox George How Item Jig King
Love Mike Nan Oboe Peter Queen Roger Sugar Tare Uncle Victor
William X-ray Yoke Zebra
And these guys are always tuning after a CQ Call !!
-------------------------------------------------

Then we have the civil entity phonetics. Some hams but many don't use or
understand these:
Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra
And a lot of other Boy/Girl names depending on locale
-----------------------------------------------------

Then we have Hams who don't know any of these and you might hear -- Name is
Tim - Texaco Indigo Macy's
Actually heard this one!

Bottom line -- use the NATO phonetics -- so most all will understand and
always during an emergency.

--
73 From The Signal In The Noise
Caveat Lector Ya All
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
"JDer8745" wrote in message
...
Howdy,

Recently I hear more and more hams using "kilowatt" as the phonetic for

the
letter K. The correct phonetic is "kilo".

73 de Jack, K9CUN. That's...

kickapoo niner certain underwear neurosis





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As a matter of reference -- see URL:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

Sez

NATO phonetic alphabet
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.



The NATO phonetic alphabet was developed in the 1950s to be intelligible
(and pronounceable) to all NATO allies in the heat of battle. It replaced
other phonetic alphabets, for example the US military Joint Army/Navy
Phonetic Alphabet ("able baker") and several versions of RAF phonetic
alphabets. It is sometimes inappropriately referred to as International
Phonetic Alphabet, which is actually the official name of an alphabet used
in linguistics created in the late nineteeth century.

The NATO phonetic alphabet is now widely used in business and
telecommunications in Europe and North America, and has been approved by
ICAO for use in international civil aviation. It has been adopted by the
International Telegraphers Union (ITU), after which it is named by many
radio operators. Although it consists of English words, its letter codewords
can easily be recognised by speakers of languages other than English.


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As a matter of reference -- see URL:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

Sez

NATO phonetic alphabet
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.



The NATO phonetic alphabet was developed in the 1950s to be intelligible
(and pronounceable) to all NATO allies in the heat of battle. It replaced
other phonetic alphabets, for example the US military Joint Army/Navy
Phonetic Alphabet ("able baker") and several versions of RAF phonetic
alphabets. It is sometimes inappropriately referred to as International
Phonetic Alphabet, which is actually the official name of an alphabet used
in linguistics created in the late nineteeth century.

The NATO phonetic alphabet is now widely used in business and
telecommunications in Europe and North America, and has been approved by
ICAO for use in international civil aviation. It has been adopted by the
International Telegraphers Union (ITU), after which it is named by many
radio operators. Although it consists of English words, its letter codewords
can easily be recognised by speakers of languages other than English.


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However the DX crowd over many years have used their own set --
which includes kilowatt. May be "wrong phonetics", but a fact of life for

a
long time.
Unofficial but common DX phonetics are at URL:
http://ac6v.com/dxphonetics.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------


The reason that kilowatt is particularly bad is that the listener can't be
sure whether it is "kilowatt" or "kilo watt"

For example:

What is the callsign when the speaker says "kilowatt eight kilowatt sugar"?
It could be K8KS or KW8KWS or K8KWS or KW8KS. In other words, there are 3
wrong possibilities and 1 right one. Thus the listener has only a 25%
chance of getting it right. Phonetics should be chosen with the goal of
clarity not confusion.

Now among friends or once the QSO has been established and the call signs
clearly understood, there's no harm in using different or cutesy phonetics.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


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However the DX crowd over many years have used their own set --
which includes kilowatt. May be "wrong phonetics", but a fact of life for

a
long time.
Unofficial but common DX phonetics are at URL:
http://ac6v.com/dxphonetics.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------


The reason that kilowatt is particularly bad is that the listener can't be
sure whether it is "kilowatt" or "kilo watt"

For example:

What is the callsign when the speaker says "kilowatt eight kilowatt sugar"?
It could be K8KS or KW8KWS or K8KWS or KW8KS. In other words, there are 3
wrong possibilities and 1 right one. Thus the listener has only a 25%
chance of getting it right. Phonetics should be chosen with the goal of
clarity not confusion.

Now among friends or once the QSO has been established and the call signs
clearly understood, there's no harm in using different or cutesy phonetics.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


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Old September 21st 03, 05:51 PM
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Ah phonetics

The ARRL and many other national entities recommend the NATO phonetics
for Amateur Radio use as most Hams around the world recognize them.

The best one was printed in a magazine at some point. It was using
words that would always add to the confusion. I can't remember specific
examples, but it would have been like xylophone and psychiatrist.

Of course, it was intended to be funny (it was), and was not intended
to be used on the air (though I wouldn't put it past someone).

Michael VE2BVW

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