You've repaired a watch with a verge escapement?

Yeah. Right.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
Over the years many approaches have been tried - verge, deadbeat,
cylinder,
duplex, and (of course) the lever are the ones that spring to mind from my
watch repairing days.

Your prime motivation once again shows through. (And it's not technical)

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
Memory going?

Your prime motivation once again shows through. (And it's not technical)

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
Memory going?

So you can't justify your sneer? Once again your
prime motivation shows through.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
5. DSP - You sneered (as does a turnip-brained M3/CBer) at my
tentative proposal of "Big K", but were incapable of answering
my challenge to your sneer.

"Tentative" over some extended period- try Google again.

So you can't justify your sneer? Once again your
prime motivation shows through.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
5. DSP - You sneered (as does a turnip-brained M3/CBer) at my
tentative proposal of "Big K", but were incapable of answering
my challenge to your sneer.

"Tentative" over some extended period- try Google again.

No. The simple, factual correction of your misunderstanding,
deliberate or otherwise. With what appears to be a prime motivation
on your part to sneer and make personal remarks, have you
(and your family who must take after you) ever thought about
getting M3/CB licences? You'll find yourself in the company
of fellow mentalities.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
Oh, the sympathy card. We all know what a sypathetic chap you are.

No. The simple, factual correction of your misunderstanding,
deliberate or otherwise. With what appears to be a prime motivation
on your part to sneer and make personal remarks, have you
(and your family who must take after you) ever thought about
getting M3/CB licences? You'll find yourself in the company
of fellow mentalities.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
Oh, the sympathy card. We all know what a sypathetic chap you are.

Mebbe. But don't equivocate - the issue was whether AM Xtal controlled
rigs would detect FM modulation from an on-channel transmission, and
not tuned to the side.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
I remember it well- in fact I retuned several of the 'blue boxes' to
narrow
the bandwidth. I may still have the drilling pattern somewhere.
In those days slope detect was a common as cat muck on these very radios,
as quick temporary step to get on air before building a FM detector. So it
must have worked.

Mebbe. But don't equivocate - the issue was whether AM Xtal controlled
rigs would detect FM modulation from an on-channel transmission, and
not tuned to the side.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
I remember it well- in fact I retuned several of the 'blue boxes' to
narrow
the bandwidth. I may still have the drilling pattern somewhere.
In those days slope detect was a common as cat muck on these very radios,
as quick temporary step to get on air before building a FM detector. So it
must have worked.

I haven't been caught out. I have no wounds to lick.

You seem unable to answer the challenges that dispute
your (rather childish) outbursts.

You seem to be more and more desperate to score points.

Just face up to the fact that you have made a complete fool
of yourself by, and lost a lot of face from, your support for
the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB licence.

You seem to want to make a great deal of capital out of the
occasional errors (in YOUR opinion) that technically interested
people make; and to use that capital to justify the M3/CB licence.

If it is your assertion that the occasional error by others justifies
the M3/CB licence with no technical basis; then I disagree with you.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
you do get even more ratty when caught out. Why not just crawl away
and lick your wounds.

I haven't been caught out. I have no wounds to lick.

You seem unable to answer the challenges that dispute
your (rather childish) outbursts.

You seem to be more and more desperate to score points.

Just face up to the fact that you have made a complete fool
of yourself by, and lost a lot of face from, your support for
the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB licence.

You seem to want to make a great deal of capital out of the
occasional errors (in YOUR opinion) that technically interested
people make; and to use that capital to justify the M3/CB licence.

If it is your assertion that the occasional error by others justifies
the M3/CB licence with no technical basis; then I disagree with you.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
you do get even more ratty when caught out. Why not just crawl away
and lick your wounds.

I commend to you the works of Britten (and subsequent editors)
and Gazely. Hasluck does not, to my memory, discuss them.

Perhaps you are confusing the remontoire with the Tourbillion?

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
If your clock is weight driven, why have a "remontoire"?

I commend to you the works of Britten (and subsequent editors)
and Gazely. Hasluck does not, to my memory, discuss them.

Perhaps you are confusing the remontoire with the Tourbillion?

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
If your clock is weight driven, why have a "remontoire"?

Please note that this is a _UK_ news group. Please post
in English. (From your displayed intolerance of others'
claims, clearly you cannot claim the below to be a typo)

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
I should have added that the later is the problem addressed by the
"remontoire" (and more crudely by a fusee).

Please note that this is a _UK_ news group. Please post
in English. (From your displayed intolerance of others'
claims, clearly you cannot claim the below to be a typo)

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
I should have added that the later is the problem addressed by the
"remontoire" (and more crudely by a fusee).

The remontoire of the Dennison/Grimethorpe gravity
escapement deals with this.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
Your 5 minutes web search has not revealed the theory
behind the gravity escapement, a form of remontoire,
a means to decouple the pendulum from the going train
I should have added that the later is the problem addressed by the
"remontoire" (and more crudely by a fusee). Neither address the issue of
the interference with the free oscillation of the pendulum or balance.

The remontoire of the Dennison/Grimethorpe gravity
escapement deals with this.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
Your 5 minutes web search has not revealed the theory
behind the gravity escapement, a form of remontoire,
a means to decouple the pendulum from the going train
I should have added that the later is the problem addressed by the
"remontoire" (and more crudely by a fusee). Neither address the issue of
the interference with the free oscillation of the pendulum or balance.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
I haven't been caught out. I have no wounds to lick.

You seem unable to answer the challenges that dispute
your (rather childish) outbursts.

You seem to be more and more desperate to score points.

Just face up to the fact that you have made a complete fool
of yourself by, and lost a lot of face from, your support for
the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB licence.


With every one of your (top) postings, you make you make yourself look even
more foolish...admit it Gareth, you've well and truly got your arse stuck in
the glue pot!

No doubt, your next course of action will be to consult your £350 law
book...

BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tox

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
I haven't been caught out. I have no wounds to lick.

You seem unable to answer the challenges that dispute
your (rather childish) outbursts.

You seem to be more and more desperate to score points.

Just face up to the fact that you have made a complete fool
of yourself by, and lost a lot of face from, your support for
the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB licence.


With every one of your (top) postings, you make you make yourself look even
more foolish...admit it Gareth, you've well and truly got your arse stuck in
the glue pot!

No doubt, your next course of action will be to consult your £350 law
book...

BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tox

In article , g3vki@turner-
smith.co.uk says...
| Blimey, I think I'll stick to sundials, I can understand them, I suggest
| Airy does the same.

Sundials are not quite so simple as they at first appear.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT)...

Remove the 'NOSPAM' in my email address to reply.

Free Amateur Radio Courses:-
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

In article , g3vki@turner-
smith.co.uk says...
| Blimey, I think I'll stick to sundials, I can understand them, I suggest
| Airy does the same.

Sundials are not quite so simple as they at first appear.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT)...

Remove the 'NOSPAM' in my email address to reply.

Free Amateur Radio Courses:-
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
I commend to you the works of Britten (and subsequent editors)
and Gazely. Hasluck does not, to my memory, discuss them.

Perhaps you are confusing the remontoire with the Tourbillion?


Not at all, two quite different solutions to two quite different problems.

remontoi A mechanism that compensates for the variation in the force
exerted by the mainspring as it "unwinds". Harrison's solution was to have
another' secondary, spring that was kept in a (very near) constant state of
wind by the main spring. This secondary spring provided a near constant
impetus to the oscillating element. An automatic watch achieves much the
same but more simply- it keeps the mainspring under (near) constant tension.

tourbillion: a mechanism to prevent changes in local gravity (due to
movement) from changing the period of oscillation. Not generally required in
a stationary clock and, even in watches, usually avoided by setting an
average rate in six positions.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
I commend to you the works of Britten (and subsequent editors)
and Gazely. Hasluck does not, to my memory, discuss them.

Perhaps you are confusing the remontoire with the Tourbillion?


Not at all, two quite different solutions to two quite different problems.

remontoi A mechanism that compensates for the variation in the force
exerted by the mainspring as it "unwinds". Harrison's solution was to have
another' secondary, spring that was kept in a (very near) constant state of
wind by the main spring. This secondary spring provided a near constant
impetus to the oscillating element. An automatic watch achieves much the
same but more simply- it keeps the mainspring under (near) constant tension.

tourbillion: a mechanism to prevent changes in local gravity (due to
movement) from changing the period of oscillation. Not generally required in
a stationary clock and, even in watches, usually avoided by setting an
average rate in six positions.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
You've repaired a watch with a verge escapement?

Yeah. Right.


Yes, several.

Also cylinder, lever, and detent escapements which, in my view, are more
complex. My favourite watch was a 1883 cylinder escapement- late for a
cylinder- that cost me £20 (in 1976 or so) in a junk pile. It cleaned up a
treat and was later valued at £450. Some scroat stole it, along with a 1920s
gold full hunter, about 10 years back.

I used to live in Woolwich in the late 1970s at there was a market trader
who sold movements from watches where the cases had gone for melting down. A
small shop in Plumstead sold 'non goers'- a combination of the two often
produced some quite nice watches.

To be fair, few repairs are that complex. Usually just a cleaning job,
lubrication and reassembly. Occasionally a replacement part was required
which, for relatively modern watches (20th century) I could get from a shop
in Goldhawk Rd. Anything older I used to use a local watchmaker to turn up-
most damage was broken pivots- or adapt parts.

I've done a few clocks but my main interest was always watches. In fact I
think it was partly the history of the 'longitude problem' that led me
toward working in navigation systems.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
You've repaired a watch with a verge escapement?

Yeah. Right.


Yes, several.

Also cylinder, lever, and detent escapements which, in my view, are more
complex. My favourite watch was a 1883 cylinder escapement- late for a
cylinder- that cost me £20 (in 1976 or so) in a junk pile. It cleaned up a
treat and was later valued at £450. Some scroat stole it, along with a 1920s
gold full hunter, about 10 years back.

I used to live in Woolwich in the late 1970s at there was a market trader
who sold movements from watches where the cases had gone for melting down. A
small shop in Plumstead sold 'non goers'- a combination of the two often
produced some quite nice watches.

To be fair, few repairs are that complex. Usually just a cleaning job,
lubrication and reassembly. Occasionally a replacement part was required
which, for relatively modern watches (20th century) I could get from a shop
in Goldhawk Rd. Anything older I used to use a local watchmaker to turn up-
most damage was broken pivots- or adapt parts.

I've done a few clocks but my main interest was always watches. In fact I
think it was partly the history of the 'longitude problem' that led me
toward working in navigation systems.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

Let us not lose sight of the issue here....the M3/CB licence

Funny, I thought it was clocks?

Or was that a:

1. Typo.

2. A joke

3. A mis-posting.

Stop digging Gareth.

This isn't even fun- it is too easy.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

Let us not lose sight of the issue here....the M3/CB licence

Funny, I thought it was clocks?

Or was that a:

1. Typo.

2. A joke

3. A mis-posting.

Stop digging Gareth.

This isn't even fun- it is too easy.

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:02:42 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Sundials are not quite so simple as they at first appear.

All day tomorrow, for an observer in the London area, the sun will
exactly track the Clarke Belt (which is the orbit that geostationary
satellites are put into).

So you can use the sun - tomorrow only - to adjust the tracking of
your satellite dish.

And not many people know that!
:-)

Indeed not.

Can we have a celebration?

Perhaps a public holiday?

Where pray did this gem come from?

Brian

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:02:42 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Sundials are not quite so simple as they at first appear.

All day tomorrow, for an observer in the London area, the sun will
exactly track the Clarke Belt (which is the orbit that geostationary
satellites are put into).

So you can use the sun - tomorrow only - to adjust the tracking of
your satellite dish.

And not many people know that!
:-)

Indeed not.

Can we have a celebration?

Perhaps a public holiday?

Where pray did this gem come from?

Brian

Let us analyse the situation. My original joke fell on stony
ground and apart from the NEGATIVE NERDS who were
apparently present from their headers, only Reg Edwards
responded. I replied to him with a simple polite apology
and withdrawal. That should have been the end of the matter.

You then let rip with a gratuitous tirade with an emotional
style that was out of context and several pages long; the spitefulness
and spleen-venting of your post was all too apparent.

In your, rather childish, outbursts, you referred to several
previous misunderstandings (whether mendacious or not I
cannot determine) and I corrected you. This has brought forth
more silly and infantile jibes from you.

What can be the reason for this apparent emotional disturbance
that you have? There was no interaction between us until I took
a stance against the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB
licence, and ever since then you have perpetuated personal attacks.

You may deceive yourself into thinking that your recent contributions
are about clocks and watches, but their style is a simple continuation
of your silly and childish campaign lasting over several months in which
you persistently originate unnecessary gratuitous remarks. These
remarks alone would suggest that you are a CBer, or an M3/CBer at best.

To produce evidence of the undesirability of the M3/CB licence, one
only has to quote your own outbursts. That you find such outbursts
to be "too easy" says so much about your habitual rudeness.

I am not digging. I am prepared to discuss the technicalities
of timepieces with you, if you so desire, but it will
require an assurance from you that you will behave in a manner
more befitting a father of three children rather than in the
manner of an escapee from the school playground that you have
favoured recently.

You are unlikely to regain your lost face as the result of your
support for the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB licence.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
Let us not lose sight of the issue here....the M3/CB licence
Funny, I thought it was clocks?
Or was that a:
1. Typo.
2. A joke
3. A mis-posting.
Stop digging
This isn't even fun- it is too easy.

Let us analyse the situation. My original joke fell on stony
ground and apart from the NEGATIVE NERDS who were
apparently present from their headers, only Reg Edwards
responded. I replied to him with a simple polite apology
and withdrawal. That should have been the end of the matter.

You then let rip with a gratuitous tirade with an emotional
style that was out of context and several pages long; the spitefulness
and spleen-venting of your post was all too apparent.

In your, rather childish, outbursts, you referred to several
previous misunderstandings (whether mendacious or not I
cannot determine) and I corrected you. This has brought forth
more silly and infantile jibes from you.

What can be the reason for this apparent emotional disturbance
that you have? There was no interaction between us until I took
a stance against the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB
licence, and ever since then you have perpetuated personal attacks.

You may deceive yourself into thinking that your recent contributions
are about clocks and watches, but their style is a simple continuation
of your silly and childish campaign lasting over several months in which
you persistently originate unnecessary gratuitous remarks. These
remarks alone would suggest that you are a CBer, or an M3/CBer at best.

To produce evidence of the undesirability of the M3/CB licence, one
only has to quote your own outbursts. That you find such outbursts
to be "too easy" says so much about your habitual rudeness.

I am not digging. I am prepared to discuss the technicalities
of timepieces with you, if you so desire, but it will
require an assurance from you that you will behave in a manner
more befitting a father of three children rather than in the
manner of an escapee from the school playground that you have
favoured recently.

You are unlikely to regain your lost face as the result of your
support for the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB licence.

Brian Reay wrote in message
...
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
Let us not lose sight of the issue here....the M3/CB licence
Funny, I thought it was clocks?
Or was that a:
1. Typo.
2. A joke
3. A mis-posting.
Stop digging
This isn't even fun- it is too easy.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

Let us consider each sneer of the turnip-brained M3.....
1. I do not attack M3/CBers. I may defend myself
against the gratuitous insults habitually emitted by such
licensees, but otherwise I speak out against the
gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB license.

Tough - it's here now - so shut up and put up!

Such
degeneration is well illustrated in this NG by those having such
a toy licence sneering at all technical matters without
understanding and without discussion. Consider the
remarks quoted below from M3OSN.....

No - this newsgroup does not require a charter or rule that technical
discussion must take place - so we can type whatever we like.

5. DSP - You sneered (as does a turnip-brained M3/CBer) at my
tentative proposal of "Big K", but were incapable of answering
my challenge to your sneer.

You rarely reply to any followups that correct you or answer your
questions though do you?

6. The time of owning an 830....

What - not a home built radio? And you - the one who pours scorn on
anything that is not home made!

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

Let us consider each sneer of the turnip-brained M3.....
1. I do not attack M3/CBers. I may defend myself
against the gratuitous insults habitually emitted by such
licensees, but otherwise I speak out against the
gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB license.

Tough - it's here now - so shut up and put up!

Such
degeneration is well illustrated in this NG by those having such
a toy licence sneering at all technical matters without
understanding and without discussion. Consider the
remarks quoted below from M3OSN.....

No - this newsgroup does not require a charter or rule that technical
discussion must take place - so we can type whatever we like.

5. DSP - You sneered (as does a turnip-brained M3/CBer) at my
tentative proposal of "Big K", but were incapable of answering
my challenge to your sneer.

You rarely reply to any followups that correct you or answer your
questions though do you?

6. The time of owning an 830....

What - not a home built radio? And you - the one who pours scorn on
anything that is not home made!

Was it not the case that the direction of swing was
unaffected by the earth's rotation, and so it's line
of oscillation seemed to swing around in a circle?

Walt Davidson wrote in message
...
When I worked at the Science Museum in the mid 1960s, one of my duties
was to start the Foucault Pendulum at 2 pm on a Sunday afternoon. Its
purpose was to demonstrate and measure the effect of the earth's
rotation on the direction of swing of the pendulum.

Was it not the case that the direction of swing was
unaffected by the earth's rotation, and so it's line
of oscillation seemed to swing around in a circle?

Walt Davidson wrote in message
...
When I worked at the Science Museum in the mid 1960s, one of my duties
was to start the Foucault Pendulum at 2 pm on a Sunday afternoon. Its
purpose was to demonstrate and measure the effect of the earth's
rotation on the direction of swing of the pendulum.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
"Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI" wrote in message
...

Blimey, I think I'll stick to sundials, I can understand them, I suggest
Airy does the same.

Actually, sun dials are an interesting topic in their own right. There is
a
"sundial society"- not sure of the correct name but a local SK was a
member
and made sundials to plans he got from them.

73

Brian

I found an interesting article on the web about sundials, and one particular
manufacturer who claimed that, provided you followed their installation
instructions precisely, their sundial could be read to an accuracy of one
minute!
ISTR they calculated the rotation and tilt from your latitude / longitude.
No Summer Time correction, of course, and not much use at night, unless you
use a torch!
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
"Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI" wrote in message
...

Blimey, I think I'll stick to sundials, I can understand them, I suggest
Airy does the same.

Actually, sun dials are an interesting topic in their own right. There is
a
"sundial society"- not sure of the correct name but a local SK was a
member
and made sundials to plans he got from them.

73

Brian

I found an interesting article on the web about sundials, and one particular
manufacturer who claimed that, provided you followed their installation
instructions precisely, their sundial could be read to an accuracy of one
minute!
ISTR they calculated the rotation and tilt from your latitude / longitude.
No Summer Time correction, of course, and not much use at night, unless you
use a torch!
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:03:10 +0100, "Brian Reay"
wrote:

tourbillion: a mechanism to prevent changes in local gravity (due to
movement) from changing the period of oscillation. Not generally required
in
a stationary clock and, even in watches, usually avoided by setting an
average rate in six positions.

When I worked at the Science Museum in the mid 1960s, one of my duties
was to start the Foucault Pendulum at 2 pm on a Sunday afternoon. Its
purpose was to demonstrate and measure the effect of the earth's
rotation on the direction of swing of the pendulum.


It is funny how these things 'come around'.

I learned about "tourbillions" and the like as a hobby / pastime while
studying for my first degree and due to an interest in 'nice' watches (Rolex
et al) I never expected it to be useful in the 'real world'. However,
similar issues came along when working on gyro based navigation systems-
finding ways to compensate for "g terms" and "g^2 terms" in gyro drift
models, using maths and calibration procedures ( some systems rotate the
gyros on a tourbillion like mechanism but these defeat one of the objects
of a 'strapdown' system).

I never expected to use it again and along comes Gareth with his spade ;-)

73

Brian

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:03:10 +0100, "Brian Reay"
wrote:

tourbillion: a mechanism to prevent changes in local gravity (due to
movement) from changing the period of oscillation. Not generally required
in
a stationary clock and, even in watches, usually avoided by setting an
average rate in six positions.

When I worked at the Science Museum in the mid 1960s, one of my duties
was to start the Foucault Pendulum at 2 pm on a Sunday afternoon. Its
purpose was to demonstrate and measure the effect of the earth's
rotation on the direction of swing of the pendulum.


It is funny how these things 'come around'.

I learned about "tourbillions" and the like as a hobby / pastime while
studying for my first degree and due to an interest in 'nice' watches (Rolex
et al) I never expected it to be useful in the 'real world'. However,
similar issues came along when working on gyro based navigation systems-
finding ways to compensate for "g terms" and "g^2 terms" in gyro drift
models, using maths and calibration procedures ( some systems rotate the
gyros on a tourbillion like mechanism but these defeat one of the objects
of a 'strapdown' system).

I never expected to use it again and along comes Gareth with his spade ;-)

73

Brian

"Airy R. Bean" wrote yet another load of crap in message
...
crap snipped
6. The time of owning an 830 did not coincide with the phase in
my life when I experienced a severe loss of self confidence. I explained
more crap snipped
A 'severe loss of self confidence' could also be described as an inferiority
complex. In your case Airy, you do not have an inferiority complex, you
simply ARE inferior.
(_!_)