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Crackdown on radio owners & users
"DooDahMan" wrote in message
... I've been reading this NG, along with several others. You've been trolling this newgroup is more like it. Drop my alias now fraud. |
DooDahMan wrote: I've been reading this NG, along with several others. Lately, we have read about a ham arrested in Indiana for having a mobile rig. We now read that Michigan is close to passing a law requiring police permission to carry mobile radio gear, with a proposed penalty of a year in jail for violation. I also seem to recall something about a county in NY having recently issued a rule against mobile operating. Not sure about all mobile radios? but here in Michigan if one wishes to have a scanner in the vehicle and they are not a licensed radio amateur they must obtain a permit from the Michigan State Police. It's been that way for a long time. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
Cell phones, nextels, etc. are radios.
those go too? "DooDahMan" wrote in message ... I've been reading this NG, along with several others. Lately, we have read about a ham arrested in Indiana for having a mobile rig. We now read that Michigan is close to passing a law requiring police permission to carry mobile radio gear, with a proposed penalty of a year in jail for violation. I also seem to recall something about a county in NY having recently issued a rule against mobile operating. Are these connected? Has the possession / use of mobile radio equipment been targeted for repression, in a similar manner as the possession of firearms? I don't like the trend I've been seeing in the U. S. The place is rapidly becoming less and less "free". Liberties I have taken for granted all my life are being chipped away, state by state. I suppose the problem is that the possession of mobile radio equipment (like the possession of firearms) gives a person some "power" of which the government is afraid. It is indeed unfortunate that the people are now so feared and mistrusted by their own government. I don't have the answers, but I am alarmed. I think we all need to wake up to what is happening in the land of the free and the home of the brave. It's not pretty. |
Geez I hope so. Maybe then people will go back to holding onto the steering
wheel once in a while! hehe -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html "Bill Newkirk" wrote in message ... Cell phones, nextels, etc. are radios. those go too? |
"DooDahMan" wrote in message
news:cWV2ZXJ5.46c27e1e359c9b351194b353d6514120@107 0930456.cotse.net... I think it's time you went crying to Steve Gilda again Jersey Boy. I said drop it now or you'll have hell to pay loser. I know where you are bitch! |
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hey jim we spell loser like this " J-I-M D-O-U-G-L-A-S " hows you like
that EH?! "Jim Douglas" wrote in message news:zxZNb.81151$8H.116648@attbi_s03... Whoo, Whoo I love my country cause I can use my radio MOBILE! How do they spell L O S E R in Canada! "JGlass" wrote in message ... nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE
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Whoo, Whoo I love my country cause I can use my radio MOBILE! How do they
spell L O S E R in Canada! "JGlass" wrote in message ... nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
What another Canadian who thinks their country is great cause you can listen
to your radio in the car. You are right I am a loser. ZBM2 "c.foster" wrote in message ... hey jim we spell loser like this " J-I-M D-O-U-G-L-A-S " hows you like that EH?! "Jim Douglas" wrote in message news:zxZNb.81151$8H.116648@attbi_s03... Whoo, Whoo I love my country cause I can use my radio MOBILE! How do they spell L O S E R in Canada! "JGlass" wrote in message ... nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
Oh yeah Canada is GREAT!...just hope you dont need to see a doctor or need
the use of a gun to protect yourself or your family and or property. Also don't buy stuff there, sneak back into the good 'ol USA.... "Jim Douglas" wrote in message news:cK_Nb.81338$I06.348649@attbi_s01... What another Canadian who thinks their country is great cause you can listen to your radio in the car. You are right I am a loser. ZBM2 "c.foster" wrote in message ... hey jim we spell loser like this " J-I-M D-O-U-G-L-A-S " hows you like that EH?! "Jim Douglas" wrote in message news:zxZNb.81151$8H.116648@attbi_s03... Whoo, Whoo I love my country cause I can use my radio MOBILE! How do they spell L O S E R in Canada! "JGlass" wrote in message ... nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in
: Oh yeah Canada is GREAT!...just hope you dont need to see a doctor or need the use of a gun to protect yourself or your family and or property. Also don't buy stuff there, sneak back into the good 'ol USA.... Damn son I'm impressed! Managed to reply to a reply to a troll and didn't even include the word radio or scanner or shortwave. Not to mention quoting everything and top posting. Oops guess I did. SFB FWIW - the majority of US states have no laws regarding the use of radio equipment in a mobile. -- You are a fluke of the Universe You have no right to be here And whether you can hear it or not, the Universe is laughing behind your back |
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"JGlass" wrote in message ... nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... | Oh yeah Canada is GREAT!...just hope you dont need to see a doctor or need | the use of a gun to protect yourself or your family and or property. ........or need a large percentage of your income (taxes) ......or need to speak your mind freely (free - speech regulations) 73, S.L. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
helmsman wrote: The Canadians have free speech just like a different people when Uncle Joe Stalin was in charge of a different country. And what do you know Socialized medicine just like Russia. And they also have the gaul to cry about the contracts we give out to our real allies. That's cute, where do you get this crap? The only time I saw any limit on my right of free speech was when I was in the military. You obviously have never read Canadian publications, listened to Canadian radio or watched Canadian TV - the things we say about our "leaders" would offend my dog. They are lucky to find their office after being elected before they start getting dumped on. And socialized medicine! I have the choice - I can go to state funded medical facilities for emergency care; or, if I don't mind wating for a while, diagnostic testing. If I don't want to wait I can go to a private clinic and get my test, or other services, today - might cost me a few dollars; but the point is I have the choice despite the efforts of some politicans to restrict me. I have used both already this year and shall continue to do so. My private medical insurance - which I pay for - covers my medication, and extra hospital etc, over and obove the minimal services provided by the state. (by the way 'gaul' refers to a country. 'gall' is the word you are looking for.) Dave Sorry for the OT rant guys, but dumb, uninformed crap like that just gets to me sometimes. |
SMHL,
KINDLY RE-EDUCATE YOURSELF PRIOR TO YOUR NEXT VISIT TO CANADA. (And Some States (Peoples Republics of...) in the USofA.) TAXES: * Taxes that you Pay are Not your Income: They Are The Revenue Of The State. * Your Income is Not Your Income: The State Created the Environment for Employment and Your Job Exists to Benefit the State. * Thus All the Income that Results from your Job: Is Due the State. * So be 'thankful' that the State allows you keep some of Their Money. SPEACH: * Freedom of Speech is a direct result of the Freedom to Think Correctly. * First - Think before You Speak: (Are You Thinking Correctly?) * Good Citizenship Requires that You Think Correctly. (You Want To Be A Good Citizen Don't You?) * Now - Are Your Thoughts Socially Correct and meant to 'foster' a Positive Social Environment? * If Not, Then Be Silent [.] (Think On The Silence - Silence Is Good! Good Silence.) * This has resulted in the Scientific Phenomena called the Silence of the Great White North in Canada. Long Ago and Far Away - I Remain ~ a Really Happy Fella - Born in the USA ! .. .. = = = "Stephen M.H. Lawrence" = = = wrote in message link.net... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... | Oh yeah Canada is GREAT!...just hope you dont need to see a doctor or need | the use of a gun to protect yourself or your family and or property. .......or need a large percentage of your income (taxes) .....or need to speak your mind freely (free - speech regulations) 73, S.L. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
Typical american moron! GET A LIFE!
Americans think your better everyone! **** OFF! JGlass wrote: nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
I am impressed with your reasoned, well written response. Your use of
vocabulary speaks volumes about your vast education. Keep those cards and letters coming in... -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Monday January 19th is Robert E. Lees Birthday. http://gilbertnews.net "news.vif.com" wrote in message ... Typical american moron! GET A LIFE! Americans think your better everyone! **** OFF! JGlass wrote: nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
helmsman wrote:
Canada couldn't stand up to the U.S.A for 5 minutes. And if it wasn't for the U.S.A. there wouldn't be a Canada. Seems to me we've been there before. Last time we pushed you back to Washington and set fire to the White House. Dave |
"Dave Holford" wrote in message ... helmsman wrote: Seems to me we've been there before. Last time we pushed you back to Washington and set fire to the White House. Dave No big deal, we've some internal groups that are apparently giving that some thought right now.(G) HWB |
Harold Burton wrote: "Dave Holford" wrote in message ... helmsman wrote: Seems to me we've been there before. Last time we pushed you back to Washington and set fire to the White House. Dave No big deal, we've some internal groups that are apparently giving that some thought right now.(G) HWB Us too! Some of them even sound like they make some sort of sense. Dave |
No. We know we are.
"news.vif.com" wrote in message ... Typical american moron! GET A LIFE! Americans think your better everyone! **** OFF! JGlass wrote: nothing is for free Move to Canada...At least we can use our radios MOBILE |
"news.vif.com" wrote:
Typical american moron! GET A LIFE! Americans think your better everyone! **** OFF! We certainly know the difference between "your" as in, "stay in your country" as opposed to "you're" as in "think you're better *than* everyone". |
Agent Smith wrote:
Spoken from the washed up bank robbing, dope shooting, gun carrying rock star who just came back from California with a truck full of defective radios that he is going to auction off on Ebay to unsuspecting Canadians. ????? |
"Mike Pearson see .sig" wrote in message om... WANTED: Experienced Kamikaze Pilot Didn't I hear on the news a few days back that the last Kamikaze pilot died of old age? |
"Leonard Martin" wrote in message t... Hyperpatriot American morons never listen to or watch international news. Our masters see to that. If we Americans heard about life in Europe, with its six week vacations, free medical care, etc., long-term unemployment compensation, and so on, we might stop running around like obedient herd-dogs, doing ever more for our masters, and ask why we, in the "Wealthiest Country on Earth" don't have those things. Of course, our corporations, with their promotion of the global economy, are rapidly undermining Europe's lifestyle, so soon Europeans will be just like us. I wonder if they too, then, like us now, will solace themselves for their endless labor and perpetual fearfulness, by saying, "OK, my life sucks, but I live in the "Greatest Country on Earth"!!! Leonard If what you say is true, why is almost everybody in the rest of the world busting their home borders to come here? Being an "old guy" I remember living in the U.S.A. long before it aspired to the Europeanization trend that seems to prevail today. I liked it better then. The move toward socialism/statism is what makes todays lives "suck". Harold KD5SAK |
You don't mention that the working Europeans pay for all of that through
enormous taxation. Again the burden is carried by the working people. That is what would also happen here if the socialist liberals have their way, here in the United States. And yes, Toto, this is the, "Greatest Country on Gods Green Earth". Mike Lindo KG6IOC -- "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto "Leonard Martin" wrote in message t... Hyperpatriot American morons never listen to or watch international news. Our masters see to that. If we Americans heard about life in Europe, with its six week vacations, free medical care, etc., long-term unemployment compensation, and so on, we might stop running around like obedient herd-dogs, doing ever more for our masters, and ask why we, in the "Wealthiest Country on Earth" don't have those things. Of course, our corporations, with their promotion of the global economy, are rapidly undermining Europe's lifestyle, so soon Europeans will be just like us. I wonder if they too, then, like us now, will solace themselves for their endless labor and perpetual fearfulness, by saying, "OK, my life sucks, but I live in the "Greatest Country on Earth"!!! Leonard In article , Dave Holford wrote: A little international news once in a whle would help to enlighten you. Dave -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
"Leonard Martin" wrote I wonder if they too, then, like us now, will solace themselves | for their endless labor and perpetual fearfulness, by saying, "OK, my life | sucks, but I live in the "Greatest Country on Earth"!!! | | Leonard .....all the while singing the praises of Wal - Mart (where somany of them now shop and work)...and its poverty wages (but not to fear...Wal - Mart managers have their lists of welfare agencies that can hopefully provide the employee - drones with some sort of health care).... All in the greatest country on Earth. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, MN --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
"Mike Lindo" wrote in message . com... | You don't mention that the working Europeans pay for all of that through | enormous taxation. Again the burden is carried by the working people. That | is what would also happen here if the socialist liberals have their way, | here in the United States. | | And yes, Toto, this is the, "Greatest Country on Gods Green Earth". Touche'. And so it is. Tho' I have to wonder if the average Walmart drone would agree. Something to think about, at least. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, MN --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message link.net... "Leonard Martin" wrote I wonder if they too, then, like us now, will solace themselves | for their endless labor and perpetual fearfulness, by saying, "OK, my life | sucks, but I live in the "Greatest Country on Earth"!!! | | Leonard ....all the while singing the praises of Wal - Mart (where somany of them now shop and work)...and its poverty wages (but not to fear...Wal - Mart managers have their lists of welfare agencies that can hopefully provide the employee - drones with some sort of health care).... All in the greatest country on Earth. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, MN If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and report back to us here. That is your school assignment. 73 B |
"Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and report back to us here. That is your school assignment. 73 But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The average income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make many times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports figures. This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when figured as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there are thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any kind with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there, including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that make much closer to minimum wage... |
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and report back to us here. That is your school assignment. 73 But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The average income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make many times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports figures. This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when figured as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there are thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any kind with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there, including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that make much closer to minimum wage... me thinks about the math for a second lets assume you are correct 1000 people at 20g/yr 1 enron exec 10million/yr 1000 X 20,000 = 20,000,000 1 X 10,000,000 = 10,000,000 total 30,000,000 average 30,000,000/(1000 + 1) = 29,970 and change actually that doesnt seem to me to skew the number all that bad |
That is quite correct. There are really not enough of the very rich to skew
the numbers to a significant degree. "123.bam" "123.bam wrote in message ... Brenda Ann wrote: "Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and report back to us here. That is your school assignment. 73 But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The average income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make many times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports figures. This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when figured as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there are thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any kind with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there, including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that make much closer to minimum wage... me thinks about the math for a second lets assume you are correct 1000 people at 20g/yr 1 enron exec 10million/yr 1000 X 20,000 = 20,000,000 1 X 10,000,000 = 10,000,000 total 30,000,000 average 30,000,000/(1000 + 1) = 29,970 and change actually that doesnt seem to me to skew the number all that bad |
"Mike Lindo" wrote:
You don't mention that the working Europeans pay for all of that through enormous taxation. (snip) Nonsense. While I don't agree with everything Leonard said, he is absolutely correct about the taxes. When you compare the entire tax burdens (sales, sin, property, state income, federal income, and so on), most Europeans don't pay higher taxes. Further, because of the often higher saleries, Europeans usually have more money to spend after taxes. Yet, in spite of this, Europeans still enjoy the benefits described below. I've worked in both places, paid taxes in both, and know this to be the truth. If more Americans did the same, they would also realise the claim of "enormous taxation" in Europe is false. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ "Leonard Martin" wrote: Hyperpatriot American morons never listen to or watch international news. Our masters see to that. If we Americans heard about life in Europe, with its six week vacations, free medical care, etc., long-term unemployment compensation, and so on, we might stop running around like obedient herd-dogs, doing ever more for our masters, and ask why we, in the "Wealthiest Country on Earth" don't have those things. (snip) |
Leonard Martin wrote:
Hyperpatriot American morons never listen to or watch international news. Our masters see to that. If we Americans heard about life in Europe, with its six week vacations, free medical care, etc., long-term unemployment compensation, and so on, we might stop running around like obedient herd-dogs, doing ever more for our masters, and ask why we, in the "Wealthiest Country on Earth" don't have those things. Of course, our corporations, with their promotion of the global economy, are rapidly undermining Europe's lifestyle, so soon Europeans will be just like us. I wonder if they too, then, like us now, will solace themselves for their endless labor and perpetual fearfulness, by saying, "OK, my life sucks, but I live in the "Greatest Country on Earth"!!! Leonard The why do you live here? Why don't you move to Europe? |
"123.bam" "123.bam wrote in message ... Brenda Ann wrote: "Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and report back to us here. That is your school assignment. 73 But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The average income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make many times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports figures. This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when figured as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there are thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any kind with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there, including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that make much closer to minimum wage... me thinks about the math for a second lets assume you are correct 1000 people at 20g/yr 1 enron exec 10million/yr 1000 X 20,000 = 20,000,000 1 X 10,000,000 = 10,000,000 total 30,000,000 average 30,000,000/(1000 + 1) = 29,970 and change actually that doesnt seem to me to skew the number all that bad For US income information, try looking here. http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-221.pdf |
JJ ...
^ The why do you live here? Why don't you move to Europe? You're suggesting that we should mold the people to fit the needs of the nation instead of molding the nation to fit the needs of the people. Frank |
Frank wrote:
JJ ... ^ The why do you live here? Why don't you move to Europe? You're suggesting that we should mold the people to fit the needs of the nation instead of molding the nation to fit the needs of the people. Frank The nation fits mine and most others needs just fine. What's your problem? |
With all due respect, you need to research your facts.
"Leonard Martin" wrote in message t... Exactly! An it's well known that over the last 30 years an ever-greater portion of the total money earned in the US has gone to the wealthiest people, and an ever-greater portion of our assets have come to be owned by them, while the reverse is happening to the poor and much of the middle class. Here's a bit of intriguing evidence of that trend: During the Christmas season just past, luxury stores like Nieman-Marcus experienced strong sales increases over the previous year, while stores like Sears and even Walmart, patronized by the rest of us, experienced only modest growth. Leonard In article , "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Brian Oakley" wrote in message ... If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and report back to us here. That is your school assignment. 73 But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The average income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make many times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports figures. This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when figured as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there are thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any kind with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there, including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that make much closer to minimum wage... -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
"Leonard Martin" wrote in message t... In Europe ost of that heavy taxation falls on rich people. Are you one? I'm not. So we'd both be better off there. Especially given some statistics i recently heard from a guy who's written a book on the American tax system: 1) Persons in the top 1% of earners in the US now pay about 1/3, in real dollars, of the percentage of the total tax "take" that they did in the 1970s. 2) The Alternative Minimum tax has never been indexed for inflation since it was passed in the 1970s, so it has increasingly done what it was never meant to do, increase the portion of the tax take paid by the middle to upper middle class (those earning $50,000 to $500,000 a year). 3) The American income tax system is very good at tracking down and getting at earned income, but poor at doing so for income from investments, and, above all, income realized by corporations, and that is part of why rich people pay so little. 4) The rest of why is because the top tax rates have been cut again and again by Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2. Leonard Your data is incomplete. The top 5% of the people in this country pay about 50% of the total tax take. The top 50% of the people pay 90% of the total tax take. So the government is already "taxing the rich". If you are going to stimulate the economy, you can only cut taxes for those who are paying taxes. Since half the people pay very little or even no taxes, you can't reduce taxes there. The rich are paying their fair share and more. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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