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Looks to me like newbie has nothing to do with how long you have been here.
"Lloyd" wrote in message ... You think I'm a newbie? Oh, let's see: I've been posting to what became Usenet since around 1981. Google (dejanews back then) first started archiving during that same year. I used to dial up Carnegie-Mellon University's front end machines in Pittsburgh, switch to a PDP-20 or a PDP-10 and begin reading and posting with a Lear-Siegler ADM-42 terminal while in not-logged-in mode. Yep, I'm a newbie all right. CMU was one of the main hubs of the original ARPA net, as administered by BBN under contract to DARPA. The TCP/IP protocol was still under development, and it didn't get deployed until around '82 or '83 as I recall. Yep, I'm a newbie all right. I was on the net before TCP/IP was deployed. As Usenet developed, a pecking order developed along with it. Folks at the top of the pecking order would decree "ex cathedra" how to properly do certain things. The procedures were enshrined in FAQs and soon became Usenet and Internet dogma. You questioned an accepted FAQ at the risk of being known as a "lamer" or a "luser," and a self-appointed set of gurus would often attempt to instruct you in the ways of the current religion without ever pausing to realize that the group-think had become dogma over time. You can even see it in operation today. For example, the old Usenet dogma ignores the massive, cheap disk storage which is available to everyone and attempts to prevent people from posting either image files or html. In spite of high speed internet access and large disk capacities, the old guard still behaves as if they're protecting the disk storage of a VAX-11/785 with a 400 megabyte disk pack as accessed by users using 300 bps modems. Pathetic. Similarly, certain styles of ASCII posting are politically correct with the old timers, such as bottom posting. Have you ever looked at the mess that results after three or four people have attempted to quote previous posters? The posts are usually illegible, because most of the bottom posters don't bother to trim their quotes, and the posts become massively convoluted and difficult to read. Line wrap errors, coupled with repeated use of the "" quoting character, turn them into a mess. Run on up to alt.flame if you want to see how unreadable bottom posting can become. And that's the norm for the great majority of bottom posts. I skip them regularly, rather than trying to decipher them. If you can't make your points in a top post, you probably haven't developed the language skills necessary to make your points anyway. Bottom posting is way overrated and is really a crutch. It should be avoided. On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:07:57 GMT, Honus wrote a 104 line post which eventually got around to saying: You're correct that the netizens decide what's acceptable and what's not, and naturally some things will change. I don't believe that top posting will be one of those things. You're still very much in the minority. I also sense that you're a newbie. Welcome to Usenet. Try to get along. |
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"Lloyd" wrote in message ... You think I'm a newbie? Is that the only point you're going to address? Anyway, it looks like I was wrong about suspecting a newbie. You sure talk the talk, though. snip For example, the old Usenet dogma ignores the massive, cheap disk storage which is available to everyone and attempts to prevent people from posting either image files or html. In spite of high speed internet access and large disk capacities, the old guard still behaves as if they're protecting the disk storage of a VAX-11/785 with a 400 megabyte disk pack as accessed by users using 300 bps modems. Pathetic. Ummm...I seem to recall addressing those particular examples myself. Similarly, certain styles of ASCII posting are politically correct with the old timers, such as bottom posting. Have you ever looked at the mess that results after three or four people have attempted to quote previous posters? The posts are usually illegible, because most of the bottom posters don't bother to trim their quotes, and the posts become massively convoluted and difficult to read. Line wrap errors, coupled with repeated use of the "" quoting character, turn them into a mess. Run on up to alt.flame if you want to see how unreadable bottom posting can become. And that's the norm for the great majority of bottom posts. I skip them regularly, rather than trying to decipher them. It's the norm because people don't adhere to a well accepted standard. If people did, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. Hint, hint. If you can't make your points in a top post, you probably haven't developed the language skills necessary to make your points anyway. Bottom posting is way overrated and is really a crutch. It should be avoided. I certainly didn't advocate bottom posting, and anybody who's been on Usenet for a week can see just how messy posts can get when people don't snip properly. That's a different subject entirely, even though you're trying to claim that top posting will alleviate the problem. Surely that isn't your reason for top posting? (I'm still waiting for that, by the way.) I also don't agree with that bit about making your points in a top post. Sure, it's do-able. That doesn't make it the best way. Interpersing comments is just the best way to go for all of the reasons I've cited, against all of the reasons that you haven't. You mileage obviously varies. But as I said before, you're very much in the minority. On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:07:57 GMT, Honus wrote a 104 line post which eventually got around to saying: See, that attribution should be at the top of the post, not in the middle of it. You're just being obstinant. You're correct that the netizens decide what's acceptable and what's not, and naturally some things will change. I don't believe that top posting will be one of those things. You're still very much in the minority. I also sense that you're a newbie. Welcome to Usenet. Try to get along. And don't think I didn't notice how many of my points you ignored by snipping. You know...like why don't you allow your posts to be archived. By the way...my posting history goes way back to dejanews as well. That can be verified, as my posts are archived. |
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whoever whoever@wherever wrote: You're still crossposting as well as bottom feeding! Your signature should be Telamon wrote: In article , whoever whoever@wherever wrote: Why are you still cross posting you bottom posting moron. I have no interest in you becoming a "ham." Telamon wrote: In article , whoever whoever@wherever wrote: Why are you still cross posting this to rec.radio.amateur.misc you stupid bottom posting loser, or is that bottom feeder? ESAD ps just remember who started the name calling and have fun listening you wantabe ham! Why are you still cross posting you top posting moron. I have no interest in becoming a "ham." Well, you are making more sense but that's just because you copied my words. Still posting at the top though clueless one. Your signature should be ever. Nothing changes the fact that you are a clueless moron and a stinking top poster. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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whoever whoever@wherever wrote: And you're still cross posting, which was your main complaint! Nothing changes the fact that you are a clueless moron and a stinking bottom feeder. I should post at the bottom so you could read all the stupid crap again, you seem to get off on that! Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that you are a clueless moron and a stinking top poster. What I made was a request, which was not honored but a stupid moron such as yourself could not make that distinction. -- Telamon Ventura, California |