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"Brian Reay" wrote:
: I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP impacts : you, why worry? morse test didnt impact you but you still shoutred from the roof tops and wrote loads of emails to anyone who would rwad them ? : : Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of the : hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to have : found a niche they really do like. yeh... you disagreed witht he morse test... but now enforce the morse assessment COMPULSRY REQUIREMENT |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Brian Reay wrote: Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come back when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you. Untill then, 'mellow out'. Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? - Mike KB3EIA - Probably so. Dan/W4NTI |
"Brian Reay" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Brian Reay wrote: Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come back when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you. Untill then, 'mellow out'. Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP impacts you, why worry? Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of the hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to have found a niche they really do like. -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio. And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not. So there. Dan/W4NTI |
"DieSea" wrote in message ... "Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:35:30 +1100, "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote: "Walt Davidson" wrote : On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:02:29 GMT, "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: Personally, as a newbie to ham radio, (but long time cb'er and scanner user) ... Well, there's a surprise! [NOT] Oh look, another ham that was born with a licence and callsign already allocated!!! What, you don't think amateurs start somewhere and may even have used other forms of radio before??? When I got my amateur radio licence in 1960, there was no such thing as CB in the UK, and no such thing as a code-free amateur licence. We were much better off then! CB is the recruitment ground for LIDs. 73 de G3NYY -- Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com I know of a few amateurs ( G3's to boot ) that have made a good living out of CB in the HAY DAYS during the 80's , as well as picking up some more of the colourful expressions as well , they can still to be heard to-day with their Personals ,Twigs and Twenty's or even the name would be . Come to think of it , why when they are working a local why cant they speak their mother tongue ands have to pretend they're in a convoy. DieSea DieSea Here is a American phrase you can put on them..... Well good buddy....Ya just can't fix STUPID. Cheers and Beers mate. Dan/W4NTI |
"wonderer" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message ... Get over it! Go back to your CW if you want, who bothers you or bags you for using it, I know I certainly don't. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ Thanks for bringing this up Mate!. My major problem is folks refering to interconnecting "hams" over the internet as "ham radio". Ham radio is R A D I O . Not INTERNET connected to Nodes then to a radio somewhere. Call it whatever you want, but it is NOT ham radio. It is an H-T audio chat room, Dan. - Mike KB3EIA - As I said....call it whatever they want. But it ain't Ham Radio. oh!! yes it is let's take it one bit at a time R = repeater = radio, receiver of repeater linked to transmitter of a repeater in another country the reverse is true. I = internet, no problems here L is for linking, no problems here P is for protocol, to enable the two repeaters to be able to be linked to gether, it is radio at both ends. what problem do you have with this ALF VK5ZKL Gawd Almighty you Ausies are a thick headed bunch, ain't ya? Ham RADIO is communications with a RADIO or a RADIO system. INTERNET is communications with a NETWORK of interconnected computers organized in such a manner to send "packets" of data world-wide. Do you see any mention of RADIO there? Next. Dan/W4NTI |
"Brian Reay" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... Oh I don't think so Brian. Spark was a MODE not a different system of sending the information. CW is continous wave. I.E. still sending information by the same method. I.E. over the airwaves now called RADIO. Do you see the difference yet? I do. And so does anyone else with a brain. Look...new technology is fine. Old technology is also fine. But these two things ARE NOT INTERCHANGABLE. Radio is Radio. Internet is Internet. Get it? What I don't 'get' is why people get so 'up tight' over such things? If people enjoy VOIP systems fine, if they don't, fine. Ditto Morse, Packet, Phone, Repeaters, ......... I've yet to see a facet of the hobby that has adversely impacted my enjoyment- even if is a facet that leaves me cold. What is this urge to insist everyone does it 'your way'? -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 Because I am right, and you are wrong. Further more I am NOT trying to force you to believe it my way. I am just trying to show you that you are W R O N G. Keep calling IRLP or VOIP Ham radio all you want. The rest of us know better. Dan/W4NTI |
"Brian Reay" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... I know that my objection to the internet modes is *not* their existence, but that so many of their adherents want to call them "radio". And having a contest only exacerbates the silliness. Hmm, and what someone else calls it bothers you? AND they want a contest. The cheek of it! This a akin to "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin." Take a chill pill. And yes, a person uses their radio to access the network injection point. Not much of a challenge, that. So don't do it yourself, seek out something you find rewarding rather than worry how others get their kicks. Oh I agree that it isn't much challenge but so what? Who are 'they' harming? -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 It seems to me the ONLY person here having a problem is Brian. Dan/W4NTI |
"ZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "shoutred" "rwad" "yeh" "witht" "COMPULSRY" Glass houses and stones come to mind. When preaching to Brian about his actions and beliefs, an attempt to respond in the same language would be nice. HTH -- Walter |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Brian Reay" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Brian Reay wrote: Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come back when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you. Untill then, 'mellow out'. Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP impacts you, why worry? Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of the hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to have found a niche they really do like. -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio. And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not. So there. Dan/W4NTI What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of the hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur Radio. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Brian Reay" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... Oh I don't think so Brian. Spark was a MODE not a different system of sending the information. CW is continous wave. I.E. still sending information by the same method. I.E. over the airwaves now called RADIO. Do you see the difference yet? I do. And so does anyone else with a brain. Look...new technology is fine. Old technology is also fine. But these two things ARE NOT INTERCHANGABLE. Radio is Radio. Internet is Internet. Get it? What I don't 'get' is why people get so 'up tight' over such things? If people enjoy VOIP systems fine, if they don't, fine. Ditto Morse, Packet, Phone, Repeaters, ......... I've yet to see a facet of the hobby that has adversely impacted my enjoyment- even if is a facet that leaves me cold. What is this urge to insist everyone does it 'your way'? -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 Because I am right, and you are wrong. Further more I am NOT trying to force you to believe it my way. I am just trying to show you that you are W R O N G. Keep calling IRLP or VOIP Ham radio all you want. The rest of us know better. Dan/W4NTI I've got bad news for you, with a quick check of http://status.irlp.net/statuspage.html showing a total 1595 IRLP Nodes within the IRLP network and 139 currently engaged in use as I post this message, that IRLP is a popular and *VALID* part of Amateur Radio. Just because you do not see it as part of Amateur Radio that it isn't. It might not be part of YOUR hobby, but that is a different story. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"wonderer" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message ... Get over it! Go back to your CW if you want, who bothers you or bags you for using it, I know I certainly don't. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ Thanks for bringing this up Mate!. My major problem is folks refering to interconnecting "hams" over the internet as "ham radio". Ham radio is R A D I O . Not INTERNET connected to Nodes then to a radio somewhere. Call it whatever you want, but it is NOT ham radio. It is an H-T audio chat room, Dan. - Mike KB3EIA - As I said....call it whatever they want. But it ain't Ham Radio. oh!! yes it is let's take it one bit at a time R = repeater = radio, receiver of repeater linked to transmitter of a repeater in another country the reverse is true. I = internet, no problems here L is for linking, no problems here P is for protocol, to enable the two repeaters to be able to be linked to gether, it is radio at both ends. what problem do you have with this ALF VK5ZKL Gawd Almighty you Ausies are a thick headed bunch, ain't ya? Ham RADIO is communications with a RADIO or a RADIO system. INTERNET is communications with a NETWORK of interconnected computers organized in such a manner to send "packets" of data world-wide. So what are X25 "packets" then? Do you see any mention of RADIO there? Well If I use IRLP (and I don't contest btw) then I talk into my "radio" and someone else talks into thier "radio" The middle bit is "packets" like my old VFH "packet" radio G-S VK3DMN |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Because I am right, and you are wrong. You saying it doesn't make it so... it just makes it your "opinion". Keep calling IRLP or VOIP Ham radio all you want. Not that I need your permission... but I'll keep on calling IRLP radio because it is :-) G-S VK3DMN |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Here is a American phrase you can put on them..... Well good buddy....Ya just can't fix STUPID. Indeed, but I suspect people will keep trying with you! G-S |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
So there. You know... that's sounds awfully like my 4 year old's debating skills LOL G-S VK3DMN |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:26:36 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote: No, I am actually labeling *YOU* as a moron and **** listing you! You know... that sounds awfully like a 4 year old's debating skills. LOL 73 de G3NYY What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part of the hobby. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net... [SNIP] Gawd Almighty you Ausies are a thick headed bunch, ain't ya? Ham RADIO is communications with a RADIO or a RADIO system. INTERNET is communications with a NETWORK of interconnected computers organized in such a manner to send "packets" of data world-wide. Do you see any mention of RADIO there? Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website describing IRLP, not an Aussie site... A quote from the irlp.net website: "The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur radio systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites." So, next question? -- Martin, VK2UMJ To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au" "I cannot help but notice that there is no problem between us that cannot be solved by your departure." |
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote:
What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part of the hobby. It might be 'popular'. That doesn't make it 'valid'. You need a better argument with which to defend your position. -- from Aero Spike |
In article . net, Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message ... Get over it! Go back to your CW if you want, who bothers you or bags you for using it, I know I certainly don't. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ Thanks for bringing this up Mate!. My major problem is folks refering to interconnecting "hams" over the internet as "ham radio". Ham radio is R A D I O . Not INTERNET connected to Nodes then to a radio somewhere. Call it whatever you want, but it is NOT ham radio. It is an H-T audio chat room, Dan. - Mike KB3EIA - As I said....call it whatever they want. But it ain't Ham Radio. Dan/W4NTI You really have some complex about what constitues Ham radio dont you. Your so caught up in its definition, have you forgotten how to actually enjoy the hobby ? Let me ask, is a repeater on the ISS Hamradio ? We had to use a rocket to get it up there, does that make it anything less worthwhile ? When repeaters first started, I bet you said "thats not hamradio". Digital modes use computers, does that make it any less Hamradio ? Get over your complex and leave IRLP to those that want to use it |
In article , Walt Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:05:46 +1100, "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote: Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website describing IRLP, not an Aussie site... A quote from the irlp.net website: "The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur radio systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Without the use of RF links". The full name for "RF" is "Radio Frequency". So that rules out radio, then. Next question? So, next question? 73 de G3NYY Oh yawn, how mundane your arguements are. |
In article , Walt Davidson wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:02:29 GMT, "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: Personally, as a newbie to ham radio, (but long time cb'er and scanner user) ... Well, there's a surprise! [NOT] 73 de G3NYY And you set such a good example of yourself, ensuring **EVERYONE** gets to hear your definition of what you think an Amateur Radio operator is ? Your about as relevant as the Monarchy....[NOT] |
In article , Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Brian Reay wrote: Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come back when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you. Untill then, 'mellow out'. Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? - Mike KB3EIA - Probably so. Dan/W4NTI Your ability to draw useless conclusions is only surpassed by the lack of any support you seem to be able to muster in your fight for *TRUTH, JUSTICE and the American WAY* :-) |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:56:26 +1100, G-S wrote: Well If I use IRLP (and I don't contest btw) then I talk into my "radio" and someone else talks into thier "radio" "Talking into thier radio" (sic) is what CBers do. Radio hams *operate* their radios .... and sometimes even build them. I am an unrestricted call (any A, B, C, D or E after the number is), I have built and used radios, power supplies, tuners, antennas, computers (using linux os's) and other sundry bits and pieces. I also continue to talk into my radios and type into my computers. Operate is much too general a term to refer to the act of speaking into a microphone. Operate refers to the station as a whole. I used them and continue to use them alongside my store bought gear. The middle bit is "packets" like my old VFH "packet" radio A VFH packet radio? Is that some kind of CB rig? A VHF packet radio... it's a radio I _built_ specifically for packet operation. G-S VK3DMN |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:24:16 -0500, Mike Coslo wrote: Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? They are very typical, Mike. They all have one thing in common ... they are CBers masquerading as radio amateurs. Actually I very seldom use IRLP, I just dislike people trying to split our hobby into so called real amateur radio operators and the others. Which is why (despite having passed the full speed morse requirement when it existed here) I was a strong supporter of the removal of the morse requirement for HF. G-S VK3DMN |
Spike wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote: What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part of the hobby. It might be 'popular'. That doesn't make it 'valid'. You need a better argument with which to defend your position. Actually what is normal or what is part of society (or subsets like amateur radio) is decided on consensus. If the consensus of the majority is that IRLP is amateur radio then it is valid, if the consensus is that it is not then it is not valid. Over here at least anecdotally IRLP is supported by the majority of amateur radio operators. G-S VK3DMN |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote: What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part of the hobby. There are plenty of CBers all over the world, but that doesn't prove CB is part of amateur radio. However, to use IRLP you must be a licensed amateur AND be using amateur frequencies. Those facts alone make it just as much a part of the amateur radio service as Packet, RTTY, SSTV, repeater linking, etc, etc, etc, etc... If you so strongly disagree then perhaps you need to take your debate to those that regulate the service, rather than just those that use it...... |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:24:16 -0500, Mike Coslo wrote: Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? They are very typical, Mike. They all have one thing in common ... they are CBers masquerading as radio amateurs. Please provide the evidence and proof to back up this claim, otherwise it is no better than the rambling of any other decrepid old fool... |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:05:46 +1100, "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote: Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website describing IRLP, not an Aussie site... A quote from the irlp.net website: "The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur radio systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Without the use of RF links". The full name for "RF" is "Radio Frequency". So that rules out radio, then. link amateur radio ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless you are referring to a different "amateur radio" then that is the part that forms the RF or "Radio Frequency" Next question? Are just dumb, or have trouble accepting everyone different to yourself?? |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
.net... It seems to me the ONLY person here having a problem is Brian. The problem I have is understanding the bitterness I see over something that, for most people, would rank below picking tomorrow's breakfast cereal. . If someone wants to call VOIP 'amateur radio' so what? All I can assume is that you sole status in life is rooted in your 'position' as a radio amateur and you see the use of the term amateur radio applied to VOIP some how devalues that status. If that is so, you have more important things to worry about. -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:36:25 GMT, Concerned Amateur wrote: Your about as relevant as the Monarchy....[NOT] Interesting, then, that a majority of Australians voted to keep the Monarchy last time they were asked. I wonder what proportion of Brits would vote to keep on allowing Aussies to come and live in the UK, if we were asked the question. Aussies haven't had an automatic right for that for quite a while now (except for those with parents who have citizenship in the UK). G-S VK3DMN |
"Jock." wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:33:23 GMT, "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: "Jock." wrote in message . .. I very much doubt it. I cannot imagine why I would want to write about this sort of nonsense. International IRLP Contest starts at 1101 AEDT (0001z) today, March 18, 2005. Over 100 nodes worldwide now participating with more joining daily..details, contest rules & regs can be found at http://kg4zxk.com/index.php or http://www.qsl.net/vk3irl/ as can a pre-formatted log sheet and what contacts equal what points. Join in this new and fascinating way of communicating. The contest concludes at the closing of the IRLP Conference in Las Vegas, April 17, 2005. ------%----- 73 de Jock. -- "Maybe this world is another planet's Hell." - Aldous Huxley (1894-1963) Whether it is radio or not, if you are not a fan of contests, (and I am not), then those contesting via IRLP may well result in a decrease in HF radio traffic, leaving the DX clear for others. Which I appreciate... So, long live IRLP !!!!! Cheers and 73, Stan, G4EGH. |
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote:
What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part of the hobby. There are probably thousands of 6 MHz (and other) pirates and illegal CB-ers around. Are you saying they too are a valid part of the hobby? 73 de Jock. -- "Maybe this world is another planet's Hell." - Aldous Huxley (1894-1963) |
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:59:45 -0000, "Brian Reay"
wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... It seems to me the ONLY person here having a problem is Brian. The problem I have is understanding the bitterness I see over something that, for most people, would rank below picking tomorrow's breakfast cereal. . If someone wants to call VOIP 'amateur radio' so what? Because it demeans the hobby and brings it down to a level akin to that of CB. That doesn't bother you? 73 de Jock. -- "Maybe this world is another planet's Hell." - Aldous Huxley (1894-1963) |
"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Brian Reay" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Brian Reay wrote: Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come back when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you. Untill then, 'mellow out'. Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP impacts you, why worry? Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of the hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to have found a niche they really do like. -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio. And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not. So there. Dan/W4NTI What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of the hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur Radio. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining about. Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO. DON'T CALL IT HAM RADIO. Dan/W4NTI |
"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... [SNIP] Gawd Almighty you Ausies are a thick headed bunch, ain't ya? Ham RADIO is communications with a RADIO or a RADIO system. INTERNET is communications with a NETWORK of interconnected computers organized in such a manner to send "packets" of data world-wide. Do you see any mention of RADIO there? Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website describing IRLP, not an Aussie site... A quote from the irlp.net website: "The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur radio systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites." So, next question? -- Martin, VK2UMJ Not a question, a statement. If it is linked by ANY means other than radio, it is not ham radio. End of discussion. Dan/W4NTI |
"Jock." wrote in message
... Because it demeans the hobby and brings it down to a level akin to that of CB. That doesn't bother you? Firstly I don't agree that VOIP systems brings a "CB element" to the hobby, any more than any other facet does. Secondly, if I look across all the bad elements I've come across in the hobby, only a few entered it via the CB route. -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 |
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You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining about. Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO. DON'T CALL IT HAM RADIO. Dan/W4NTI There are mighty linked repeater networks across the USA. These are Ham Radio? If I choose to link two Ham Radio Repeaters via a landline - This isn't Ham Radio? Even though two Ham Radio service areas may be served? I've been using my computers on PSK31, but one is in the family room, connected to this computer via CAT5 cable, and then to my HF radio. Is this NOT Ham Radio? You guys have a very NARROW view of what constitutes Ham Radio. It appears that NOTHING less than a 100% Radio circuit is good enough for you, yet if you analyse systems around the world, MANY are not 100% Radio. Brad. |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... [SNIP] Gawd Almighty you Ausies are a thick headed bunch, ain't ya? Ham RADIO is communications with a RADIO or a RADIO system. INTERNET is communications with a NETWORK of interconnected computers organized in such a manner to send "packets" of data world-wide. Do you see any mention of RADIO there? Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website describing IRLP, not an Aussie site... A quote from the irlp.net website: "The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur radio systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites." So, next question? -- Martin, VK2UMJ Not a question, a statement. If it is linked by ANY means other than radio, it is not ham radio. End of discussion. Dan/W4NTI So basically, what you're saying is that if you have a few repeaters linked together by a landline, then those ham repeaters aren't ham radio? Or if a club likes to control a repeater site via a phone line, then that too isn't ham radio? I used to be very active on the TCP/IP packet nets, using my VHF radio and TNC to link to a gateway and on into the world wide converse net. Again, the very thing you say isn't ham radio. I'd say your definition is way too pure for the rest of us hobbyists, and we'll all keep right on enjoying the part of our *hobby* that we find we like the best, and if that just happens to be IRLP, Echolink, SSTV, CW, ATV or whatever other mode/method then, sorry, that's the way it is. Deal with it. Kate vk4xyl |
Jock. wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote: What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part of the hobby. There are probably thousands of 6 MHz (and other) pirates and illegal CB-ers around. Are you saying they too are a valid part of the hobby? 73 de Jock. You are a *FOOL*, what has that got to do with *LICENSED* operators using IRLP? You really are clutching at straws now. **** off and leave IRLP alone, it does *NOT* interfere with your use of Amateur Radio in anyway what so ever. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote: What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part of the hobby. There are plenty of CBers all over the world, but that doesn't prove CB is part of amateur radio. 73 de G3NYY You are clutching at straws now, only *LICENSED* Amateur operators can use IRLP, so why bring CB into it. IRLP does *NOT* interfere with your use of Amateur Radio, so **** off and leave it alone! -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Brian Reay" wrote in message ... "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Brian Reay wrote: Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come back when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you. Untill then, 'mellow out'. Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode? I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP impacts you, why worry? Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of the hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to have found a niche they really do like. -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio. And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not. So there. Dan/W4NTI What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of the hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur Radio. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining about. Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO. DON'T CALL IT HAM RADIO. Dan/W4NTI You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air. It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others. -- The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452 VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/ |
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