"nana" wrote in message
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You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining
about. Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE
MORE TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO.
DON'T CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI


There are mighty linked repeater networks across the USA. These are Ham
Radio?
If I choose to link two Ham Radio Repeaters via a landline - This isn't
Ham Radio? Even though two Ham Radio service areas may be served?

I've been using my computers on PSK31, but one is in the family room,
connected to this computer via CAT5 cable, and then to my HF radio. Is
this NOT Ham Radio?

You guys have a very NARROW view of what constitutes Ham Radio. It appears
that NOTHING less than a 100% Radio circuit is good enough for you, yet if
you analyse systems around the world, MANY are not 100% Radio.

Brad.


First off....with your example of a repeater linked to another via land-line
AND NOT VIA THE INTERNET THAT CAN BE ACCESSED BY OTHERS is perfectly fine.
Narrow view or not. You sir, are attemting to confuse the issue and
comparing Apples and Oranges. Sorry, that won't play. Again...stick on
the subject.

You know dang well what the differences are. If you don't then you need an
education.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:



First off....with your example of a repeater linked to another via
land-line AND NOT VIA THE INTERNET THAT CAN BE ACCESSED BY OTHERS is
perfectly fine.

So why does it make a difference if the land line link is internet land line
or non internet land line?

Narrow view or not. You sir, are attemting to confuse the issue and
comparing Apples and Oranges. Sorry, that won't play. Again...stick on
the subject.

No, they are two different sorts of apples!

You know dang well what the differences are. If you don't then you need
an education.

A differnce that makes no difference _is_ no differnce :-)


G-S VK3DMN
Dan/W4NTI

First off....with your example of a repeater linked to another via
land-line AND NOT VIA THE INTERNET THAT CAN BE ACCESSED BY OTHERS is
perfectly fine.

The IRLP CANNOT be accessed by others. It is STRICTLY designed for radio to
radio access only.
ECHOLINK can be accessed by others and is NOT the topic of conversation.

Since, by design, IRLP has radios at each end, as does a landline system or
a CAT5 system, where does it differ?

Brad.

Narrow view or not. You sir, are attemting to confuse the issue and
comparing Apples and Oranges. Sorry, that won't play. Again...stick on
the subject.

I am on topic. I want to know just where you draw the line as to what does
and does not constitute Ham Radio, because I fell you actually have the
systems mixed up! I believe it is you who needs the education.



You know dang well what the differences are. If you don't then you need
an education.

Dan/W4NTI

"nana" wrote:


The IRLP CANNOT be accessed by others. It is STRICTLY designed for radio to
radio access only.
ECHOLINK can be accessed by others and is NOT the topic of conversation.


Just for the record, everyone on Echolink (links and individuals
alike) have been validated by one of the Echolink validation team. I'm
not sure that it is really necessary, but it happens. So, like it or
not, there's very little chance of a non-licenced person using
Echolink.

.... and (lest we forget) what does it really matter anyway? ...

This is a hobby. There are authorities whose job it is to ensure only
those with licences transmit. We are just end users of the service.

I for one don't really care whether the chap at the other end actually
has a licence or not providing he sounds and behaves like a radio
amateur. I will not hesitate to talk to someone who gives a callsign
and sounds like an amateur. I pay my licence, and leave it to the
authorities to sort out if he is bona fide or not.

Here, we pay to renew our licences every year. How is someone supposed
to know whether someone who was a bona fide amateur has paid for the
forthcoming year. Of course, we don't know, but if he behaves like an
amateur, we assume he is licenced.

73,
--
Chris

"Chris Kirby" wrote in message
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"nana" wrote:


The IRLP CANNOT be accessed by others. It is STRICTLY designed for radio
to
radio access only.
ECHOLINK can be accessed by others and is NOT the topic of conversation.


Just for the record, everyone on Echolink (links and individuals
alike) have been validated by one of the Echolink validation team. I'm
not sure that it is really necessary, but it happens. So, like it or
not, there's very little chance of a non-licenced person using
Echolink.

... and (lest we forget) what does it really matter anyway? ...

This is a hobby. There are authorities whose job it is to ensure only
those with licences transmit. We are just end users of the service.

I for one don't really care whether the chap at the other end actually
has a licence or not providing he sounds and behaves like a radio
amateur. I will not hesitate to talk to someone who gives a callsign
and sounds like an amateur. I pay my licence, and leave it to the
authorities to sort out if he is bona fide or not.

I must say that I have to disagree with you on this point OM. If we, as the
hobbyists, have little interest in the use of the bands by 'pirates', then
why should the authorities be concerned. Amateur Radio has, in most parts
of the world, always been largely "self regulating" which means it is
primarily up to us, the users, to ensure the bands are used properly and
report any unlawful operations to the authorities. This is largely because
we, as licensed amateurs, are supposedly "responsible persons" that are more
than capable of taking care of "our hobby"

If we show little interst in this, you can be assured the bands will fall
into disarray and the authorities will start to regard us as no more than
CBers with more frequencies.


Here, we pay to renew our licences every year. How is someone supposed
to know whether someone who was a bona fide amateur has paid for the
forthcoming year. Of course, we don't know, but if he behaves like an
amateur, we assume he is licenced.

Callbooks, databases, common knowledge. I do not mean to say that we should
be 100% certain of all contacts, or that we should go 'out of our way' to
check every single contact, but by the same token we should NEVER adopt the
attitude "it's not my problem" and "I don't care if he is licensed or not".
They are very dangerous attitudes to have and will, eventually, spell the
end of Amateur Radio. What reason do we give newcomers to study and sit
their exam if they know you will talk to them anyway? We might as well just
change the bands to CB now and open it up to anyone - that is basically what
you are advocating.

Now, open the debates!!


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

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"Chris Kirby" wrote in message
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"nana" wrote:


The IRLP CANNOT be accessed by others. It is STRICTLY designed for radio
to
radio access only.
ECHOLINK can be accessed by others and is NOT the topic of conversation.


Just for the record, everyone on Echolink (links and individuals
alike) have been validated by one of the Echolink validation team. I'm
not sure that it is really necessary, but it happens. So, like it or
not, there's very little chance of a non-licenced person using
Echolink.

... and (lest we forget) what does it really matter anyway? ...

This is a hobby. There are authorities whose job it is to ensure only
those with licences transmit. We are just end users of the service.

I for one don't really care whether the chap at the other end actually
has a licence or not providing he sounds and behaves like a radio
amateur. I will not hesitate to talk to someone who gives a callsign
and sounds like an amateur. I pay my licence, and leave it to the
authorities to sort out if he is bona fide or not.

Here, we pay to renew our licences every year. How is someone supposed
to know whether someone who was a bona fide amateur has paid for the
forthcoming year. Of course, we don't know, but if he behaves like an
amateur, we assume he is licenced.

73,
--
Chris

Now that is a fine attitude. You basically don't give a dang if the guy/gal
has a ticket, eh? Well I do.

Course I must be wrong, right?

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...

"Chris Kirby" wrote in message
...
"nana" wrote:


The IRLP CANNOT be accessed by others. It is STRICTLY designed for radio
to
radio access only.
ECHOLINK can be accessed by others and is NOT the topic of conversation.


Just for the record, everyone on Echolink (links and individuals
alike) have been validated by one of the Echolink validation team. I'm
not sure that it is really necessary, but it happens. So, like it or
not, there's very little chance of a non-licenced person using
Echolink.

... and (lest we forget) what does it really matter anyway? ...

This is a hobby. There are authorities whose job it is to ensure only
those with licences transmit. We are just end users of the service.

I for one don't really care whether the chap at the other end actually
has a licence or not providing he sounds and behaves like a radio
amateur. I will not hesitate to talk to someone who gives a callsign
and sounds like an amateur. I pay my licence, and leave it to the
authorities to sort out if he is bona fide or not.

Here, we pay to renew our licences every year. How is someone supposed
to know whether someone who was a bona fide amateur has paid for the
forthcoming year. Of course, we don't know, but if he behaves like an
amateur, we assume he is licenced.

73,
--
Chris

Now that is a fine attitude. You basically don't give a dang if the
guy/gal has a ticket, eh? Well I do.

Course I must be wrong, right?

Dan/W4NTI

No, that is one point I will fully agree with you on. Every amateur has a
right, and duty, to help keep the hobby 'pirate free'. Anyone that thinks
their respective authority (FCC, OffComm, ACA, etc) has the resources to
keep a watch on amateur bands for unlicensed operators (or on any other
frequency) is dreaming - they rely on reports from licensed stations to
track down such users. This is why amateur radio has always been "self
regulating" in most countries.


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

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"nana" wrote in message
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http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


First off....with your example of a repeater linked to another via land-line
AND NOT VIA THE INTERNET THAT CAN BE ACCESSED BY OTHERS is perfectly fine.
Narrow view or not. You sir, are attemting to confuse the issue and
comparing Apples and Oranges. Sorry, that won't play. Again...stick on
the subject.

You know dang well what the differences are. If you don't then you need an
education.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan, you really need to move out from under the stairs and begin the **LONG
PROCESS** of developing your little used SOCIAL SKILLS.

Currently you have none and hence your **TROLL** tendencies