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Walt Davidson wrote:
: That must be the third time you've said that. Do you not know how to : operate your kill-file? It certainly seems that way. : :-) i wonder....is he a instructor in amateur radio by any chance ?? :-) |
what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail
"ZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: : 1st International IRLP Contest 2005 next... first international telephone contest. competitors to ring up as many internation phone numbers as possible. exchange greetings. itemised telephone bills to be submitted as log file. |
"knickebeinjammer" wrote in message ... what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail You are missing a detail. You can't access the systems with a PC. That's what Dan, Walt and all the others who are ignorant of the facts are confused about. Perhaps the title "contest" is a misnomer, "QSO Party" might have been more appropriate. But anything which gets hams out of the sofa and back on air can't be a bad thing. Brad. |
Martin, VK2UMJ wrote:
"Dave S." wrote in message ... "Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message . .. Walt Davidson G3NNY is a *HYPOCRITE* because he carries on about computers and the Internet here yet what is he operating? Maybe you should give up on the Internet Walt and dust off your spark gap transmitter. Well, I don't normally side with the grumpy old b****r, but this time . . . . . . Of course Walt's using a computer and the internet, but to contribute to a NG. He is not using VoIP instead of a radio, and then calling it amateur radio. Granted IRLP requires a radio at each end, but the other VoIP modes do not, and that is what is the issue with many of us. But we're NOT talking about the *other* VoIP modes, just IRLP. I am not trying to debate EchoLink.. So, are you saying that IRLP *is* part of Amateur Radio as it uses radio *linked* using internet protocol, but EchoLink (etc) isn't as it uses NO radio at all??? Can we assume that is correct? That would be my position at least :-) G-S VK3DMN |
Now I understand, alas I am just a very humble simple man from oop north,
maybe the rsgb should set one or two up for some of the new licencees. preferably on27mhz "nana" wrote in message ... "knickebeinjammer" wrote in message ... what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail You are missing a detail. You can't access the systems with a PC. That's what Dan, Walt and all the others who are ignorant of the facts are confused about. Perhaps the title "contest" is a misnomer, "QSO Party" might have been more appropriate. But anything which gets hams out of the sofa and back on air can't be a bad thing. Brad. |
ZZZPK wrote:
"Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: : 1st International IRLP Contest 2005 next... first international telephone contest. competitors to ring up as many internation phone numbers as possible. exchange greetings. itemised telephone bills to be submitted as log file. A lot harder on HF though isn't it? QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- Micky -- Countdown to deregulation - 84 days : 15 hours : 44 minutes |
"knickebeinjammer" wrote:
: what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail yes.... :-) i'm trying to find it too... but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !! |
Micky Taker wrote:
: : itemised telephone bills to be submitted as log file. : : A lot harder on HF though isn't it? : : QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- yes... by the way.... hows your poetry going ??? : -- : Countdown to deregulation - 84 days : 15 hours : 44 minutes shouldnt that be COUNTDOWN TO MULTI_BAND CB ? |
"Micky Taker" wrote in message ... ZZZPK wrote: "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: : 1st International IRLP Contest 2005 next... first international telephone contest. competitors to ring up as many internation phone numbers as possible. exchange greetings. itemised telephone bills to be submitted as log file. A lot harder on HF though isn't it? QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- Micky -- Countdown to deregulation - 84 days : 15 hours : 44 minutes Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:
: Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF. : : Dan/W4NTI ah Dan... please dont mention words like HARDER on this newsgroup. It might scare people into thinking that some sort of effort is required. |
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: : Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF. : : Dan/W4NTI ah Dan... please dont mention words like HARDER on this newsgroup. It might scare people into thinking that some sort of effort is required. Hi Hi...thats a good one....Oh well...back to the CQ WPX Phone fray. Condx not so hot, ten and 15 good to South America. 20 ain't picked up yet. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: : Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF. : : Dan/W4NTI ah Dan... please dont mention words like HARDER on this newsgroup. It might scare people into thinking that some sort of effort is required. Hi Hi...thats a good one....Oh well...back to the CQ WPX Phone fray. Condx not so hot, ten and 15 good to South America. 20 ain't picked up yet. Dan/W4NTI Quoted from the CQ WPX Rules - "Maximum power allowed is 1500 watts total output" Must be REALLY HARD keeping that PA cool! Micky -- Countdown to deregulation - 84 days : 4 hours : 58 minutes |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
-- Countdown to deregulation - 84 days : 15 hours : 44 minutes Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF. Nah I can talk to the people I talk to on HF just as easy as I talk to them on VHF :-) G-S VK3DMN |
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ... "knickebeinjammer" wrote: : what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail yes.... :-) i'm trying to find it too... but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !! Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to use IRLP!!! |
"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... So, are you saying that IRLP *is* part of Amateur Radio as it uses radio *linked* using internet protocol, but EchoLink (etc) isn't as it uses NO radio at all??? Can we assume that is correct? I'm not overly enamoured with the way that the internet is being used in amateur radio as it seems to be converting our hobby into nothing more than a mobile phone system. However, my opinion is as you have stated. At least IRLP demands the use of a radio at each end, and simply uses the internet as a means of propagating a signal. The other systems - Echolink etc. - do not work like that, and you can have someone using a radio talking to someone using a computer, and to me, that isn't amateur radio. The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all, but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio. Dave S. |
"Dave S." wrote in message ... The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all, but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio. Dave S. His objection, like Dan, was based on his complete ignorance of the way the system functioned. brad. |
"Micky Taker" wrote in message k... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "ZZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: : Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF. : : Dan/W4NTI ah Dan... please dont mention words like HARDER on this newsgroup. It might scare people into thinking that some sort of effort is required. Hi Hi...thats a good one....Oh well...back to the CQ WPX Phone fray. Condx not so hot, ten and 15 good to South America. 20 ain't picked up yet. Dan/W4NTI Quoted from the CQ WPX Rules - "Maximum power allowed is 1500 watts total output" Must be REALLY HARD keeping that PA cool! Micky So? And your point is? Dan/W4NTI |
"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... "ZZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "knickebeinjammer" wrote: : what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail yes.... :-) i'm trying to find it too... but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !! Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to use IRLP!!! Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us. I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz. Kate vk4xyl |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message k.net... Quoted from the CQ WPX Rules - "Maximum power allowed is 1500 watts total output" Must be REALLY HARD keeping that PA cool! Micky So? And your point is? Dan/W4NTI The point is that it isn't so bloody hard when you are running 1500 Watts. Try running 100W like the rest of the world and watch the difficulty factor rise. Brad |
"Dave S." wrote in message
... "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... So, are you saying that IRLP *is* part of Amateur Radio as it uses radio *linked* using internet protocol, but EchoLink (etc) isn't as it uses NO radio at all??? Can we assume that is correct? I'm not overly enamoured with the way that the internet is being used in amateur radio as it seems to be converting our hobby into nothing more than a mobile phone system. However, my opinion is as you have stated. At least IRLP demands the use of a radio at each end, and simply uses the internet as a means of propagating a signal. The other systems - Echolink etc. - do not work like that, and you can have someone using a radio talking to someone using a computer, and to me, that isn't amateur radio. The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all, but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio. Dave S. It seemed (at first) that Walt just didn't want to listen and understand that IRLP used radio at each end - he seemed to be confusing EchoLink with IRLP and just didn't want to take notice of the many people trying to explain that IRLP was no different than linking repeaters via landline, which seems to be widely accepted in the amateur community. But then Walt showed his true colours when he said that even repeaters aren't amateur radio in his eyes, so I suspect it isn't IRLP he is objecting to, it's actually anyone younger than 50 with an amateur licence! It's a sad fact that one thing pulling amateur radio down are the old operators like Walt that just can't accept (or undertsand?) changing times and believe that all operators should stick to the bands and modes they choose as suitable. Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to become better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering the hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly dying! Funny thing is, many of the old timers probably wouldn't be able to pass the lower grade tests these days if they were made to re-sit the exams! How many have kept up on the regs? How many still have all the technical knowledge? I know some VK Full Calls that got their licence in 'the old days', that couldn't for the life of them construct a dummy load or string up a simple wire antenna, or build a SSTV/RTTY interface, or even get one to work without help from a 'newcomer'. These are tasks that even the lowest grade newcomer are performing every day.... (yes, I know this doesn't apply to *all* "old timers" or full calls, but it does apply to many of them - and if it were a lower grade operator that couldn't do these things then the old timers would be the first to jump up and say they shouldn't have a licence, etc..) Personally, I accept that there are many different aspects to amateur radio, and while (to me) IRLP will never be as good as actual DX contacts via RF, at least it gives some operators the chanve to talk outside their local area and hopefully that will spark their interest a little more as they hear stories and experiences from overseas operators. And besides, if you don't like IRLP there is nobody holding a shotgun to your head and forcing you to listen - there are plenty of other frequencies to use! Cheers -- Martin, VK2UMJ To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au" Lost - is when you don't know where you are. Missing - is when others don't know where you are. Stuffed - is when both occur at the same time!!! |
"Kate" wrote in message
... "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... "ZZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "knickebeinjammer" wrote: : what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail yes.... :-) i'm trying to find it too... but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !! Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to use IRLP!!! Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us. Well, yeah, but from the users point of view all you need is a radio (on the appropriate band) and power supply, antenna and co-ax, and something that generates DTMF tones. The user doesn't need a computer or internet connection, or even a phone line for that matter!! I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz. Ahh - wasn't the removal of the HF restriction of us limited's the best thing to happen to us of late!!! Of course, the Walts of th world still think we shouldn't even be on any band, we didn't have to do CW.... Kate vk4xyl -- Martin, VK2UMJ To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au" Windows 95 was unable to detect a keyboard. Press F1 to continue, or F3 to exit. |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:33:12 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote: Kate vk4xyl wrote: I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz. Thank you for QRM-ing the QRP CW sub-band with your SSTV repeater. :-( According to the VK band plan the recommended (not regulated) CW sub band extends from 7.000Mhz to 7.030Mhz. The digital sub band extends from 7.030Mhz to 7.040Mhz. The SSB sub band extends from 7.040Mhz to 7.100Mhz (primary) and 7.100Mhz to 7.300 Mhz secondary. So at 7033Khz the SSTV signal is in the _correct_ sub band. [1] G-S VK3DMN [1] WIA band plan http://www.wia.org.au/bandplans/Aust...e%202004. PDF |
Dave S. wrote:
The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all, but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio. If you had followed all of the thread you would be aware that he objected to VHF and UHF repeaters, IRLP, Echo Link, CB-ers, ex CB-ers, non morse code tested amateurs and a number of other procedures and groups _without_ giving supporting arguments. When people started to refute his arguments with logic and refused to accept 'his word from on high' he started to get upset. When he refused to debate the _issues_ people starting regarding him in various less than complimentary ways I suspect :-) This is after all usenet... people _will_ challenged unsupported statements (and rightly so!). G-S VK3DMN |
Martin, VK2UMJ wrote:
It seemed (at first) that Walt just didn't want to listen and understand that IRLP used radio at each end - he seemed to be confusing EchoLink with IRLP and just didn't want to take notice of the many people trying to explain that IRLP was no different than linking repeaters via landline, which seems to be widely accepted in the amateur community. As already explained, the difference between Echolink and IRLP (and eQSO for that matter) is minuscule. The whole question of whether amateurs using computers are not amateurs when they use their computer, but are amateurs when they use their radios is absurd. I am a radio amateur. When I talk to another amateur, whether I'm using Echolink, eQSO, my rig, or even talking over the telephone - if I'm talking about amateur radio - then I'm having a QSO. But, here in the UK, there is a new breed of "amateur" gaining licences, a breed that is incapable of recognising the difference between a direct contact over radio, and a QSO assisted by either a repeater or by the internet. Worse still, some of this breed openly admit to not caring to learn how it all works. "I'm not technical here, but I can copy you ok". Well, this *is* a technical hobby, and I have very little time for those who openly don't wish to learn about "how it works". There *was* a time when, if you didn't care to learn about propagation then you weren't adequately qualified to gain a licence. The UK's Foundation Fiasco Licence (M3 prefix) has moved the goalposts, and now this tier of licence is available to anyone with a brain equal or greater than that of an amoeba. But then Walt showed his true colours when he said that even repeaters aren't amateur radio in his eyes, so I suspect it isn't IRLP he is objecting to, it's actually anyone younger than 50 with an amateur licence! It's a sad fact that one thing pulling amateur radio down are the old operators like Walt that just can't accept (or undertsand?) changing times and believe that all operators should stick to the bands and modes they choose as suitable. Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to become better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering the hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly dying! The hobby is not dying. The hf bands are as full of enthusiastic amateurs as ever before. The hobby is dumbing down. In addition to the genuine enthusiasts, we now have people who only want to chatter. Perhaps its time for a new type of CQ call. One four for a copy anyone? [ageism text snipped] Personally, I accept that there are many different aspects to amateur radio, and while (to me) IRLP will never be as good as actual DX contacts via RF, at least it gives some operators the chanve to talk outside their local area and hopefully that will spark their interest a little more as they hear stories and experiences from overseas operators. And besides, if you don't like IRLP there is nobody holding a shotgun to your head and forcing you to listen - there are plenty of other frequencies to use! .... on that sentiment, we can agree 100%! 73, -- Chris |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:33:12 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote: Kate vk4xyl wrote: I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz. Thank you for QRM-ing the QRP CW sub-band with your SSTV repeater. :-( Ahh - wasn't the removal of the HF restriction of us limited's the best thing to happen to us of late!!! Of course, the Walts of th world still think we shouldn't even be on any band, we didn't have to do CW.... The fact that you didn't have to "do CW" does not entitle you to cause QRM to people who choose to use that mode. 73 de G3NYY -- Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com I did do the CW and I have been running SSTV on 7033 for a few months now. Since you are such a great HF operator you should know that it is a popular SSTV frequency in Asia. The web page regularly shows pictures from Japan, Taiwan, China, Mongolia and Korea which are received on 7033 overnight. By day there is no propagation from these areas. By the way, out here the QRP frequency is 7030. Brad. |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:13:56 +1000, "Kate" wrote:
"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... "ZZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "knickebeinjammer" wrote: : what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail yes.... :-) i'm trying to find it too... but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !! Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to use IRLP!!! Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us. More fool he. I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz. More fool you. 73 de Jock. -- "11-Plus Science Exam Answers No 2: "When you breath you inspire. When you don't breath you expire." |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:29:13 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote: Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to become better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering the hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly dying! Please! Don't tar all of us with the same brush! |
Peter wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:29:13 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote: Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to become better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering the hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly dying! Please! Don't tar all of us with the same brush! Yes speaking as someone who could join the Radio Amateurs Old Timers Club (being licensed more than 25 years)... please don't :-) G-S VK3DMN |
"Jock." wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:13:56 +1000, "Kate" wrote: "Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message ... "ZZZZPK " .es.it.net wrote in message ... "knickebeinjammer" wrote: : what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail yes.... :-) i'm trying to find it too... but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !! Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to use IRLP!!! Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us. More fool he. I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz. More fool you. 73 de Jock. Yes, Jock, I guess I am a fool for thinking I could help people like you. OK, time to turn off the radios, take down the antennas, turn off the computers, hand in the licence and sit down and vegetate in front of the telly for the rest of me natural. Kate |
More fool you. 73 de Jock. Yes, Jock, I guess I am a fool for thinking I could help people like you. OK, time to turn off the radios, take down the antennas, turn off the computers, hand in the licence and sit down and vegetate in front of the telly for the rest of me natural. Kate Kate, you don't need to. Jock is doing that already. Brad. |
"Micky Taker" wrote in message ... ZZZPK wrote: "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: : 1st International IRLP Contest 2005 next... first international telephone contest. competitors to ring up as many internation phone numbers as possible. exchange greetings. itemised telephone bills to be submitted as log file. A lot harder on HF though isn't it? Of course it's harder on HF, but given I don't yet own any HF gear, except the 27MHz CB, I can only make contacts using 2/70cm amateur band. Without IRLP I would have only made contacts woth VK3, VK7 and maybe VK5, with IRLP I've worked VE, ZL, K, JA, YI, and I look forward to working them on HF in the future. Of course, making a DX Contact on CB 35 LSB would be harder than making an IRLP contact, but as IRLP is the only method I have of accessing hams outside VK on the air, then I will use it. Or I could try making contacts with hams via HF, using CB..wonder how many hams I'll find there? QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- 5&9....QRZ -- Micky -- Countdown to deregulation - 84 days : 15 hours : 44 minutes |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:08:19 GMT, "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: given I don't yet own any HF gear, except the 27MHz CB ... Well, we could deduce that already. No need for you to state the obvious. 73 de G3NYY -- Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com That's the way Walt. That's the way to encourage, nurture and teach a budding ham, you boofhead. Brad. |
nana wrote:
More fool you. 73 de Jock. Yes, Jock, I guess I am a fool for thinking I could help people like you. OK, time to turn off the radios, take down the antennas, turn off the computers, hand in the licence and sit down and vegetate in front of the telly for the rest of me natural. Kate Kate, you don't need to. Jock is doing that already. Technically he's vegitating in front of the computer Brad ;-) G-S VK3DMN |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:08:19 GMT, "Ashley VK3HAG" wrote: given I don't yet own any HF gear, except the 27MHz CB ... Well, we could deduce that already. No need for you to state the obvious. Well Walt, you idiot, you OBVIOUSLY have NO idea of the efforts Ashley is putting into getting CBers away from CB and into Amateur Radio in the Melbourne Oz. area. Keep up the good work Ashley your efforts ARE appreciated - my nephew's been in my ear trying to borrow a receiver for the broadcast on UHF. I _hope_ you put it out on 27MHz because he's got away with my old but good FRG-100...:-) -- Humbug |
HUMBUG wrote:
Well Walt, you idiot, you OBVIOUSLY have NO idea of the efforts Ashley is putting into getting CBers away from CB and into Amateur Radio in the Melbourne Oz. area. It is a misguided effort. Anyone with a natural interest in technical things like amateur radio will discover amateur radio for themselves. The best place for CBers are the CB bands, and the best place for radio amateurs are the Amateur Radio bands. Whether it be in Oz or UK. 73, -- Chris |
"Chris Kirby" wrote in message
... HUMBUG wrote: Well Walt, you idiot, you OBVIOUSLY have NO idea of the efforts Ashley is putting into getting CBers away from CB and into Amateur Radio in the Melbourne Oz. area. It is a misguided effort. Anyone with a natural interest in technical things like amateur radio will discover amateur radio for themselves. The best place for CBers are the CB bands, and the best place for radio amateurs are the Amateur Radio bands. Whether it be in Oz or UK. It's funny, I started out 27 years ago on CB, never having heard of amateur radio and never having any interest or knowledge about radio whatsoever. Then through CB I learned a bit more about radio, started building antenna's and got bitten by the radio bug! So I ventured out and looked at amateur radio.. Because of CB I ended up going to TAFE college and completing a 3 year electronics trade course, and got my VK Limited licence (just never got interested in CW). I also sat my ROCP (marine) certificate and ended up a Communications Officer and Subject Matter Expert for a State Emergency Service Division in NSW. If I had never started on CB way back then, I probably wouldn't have the interest in radio and electronics I have today, nor would I be a licensed VK amateur. I know of many other VK amateurs that started out on CB and then progressed to amateur radio as well, most of which owe their continued interest in radio to the spark first triggered by CB. So, your narrow minded, mis-guided, and childish opinion seems to have been proven wrong, once again. May I suggest that if you are unable to tolerate today's CBers becoming tomorrows Amateurs then it is high time that you handed in your licence (if you have one) and did both hobbies a big favour... -- Martin, VK2UMJ To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au" "I cannot help but notice that there is no problem between us that cannot be solved by your departure." |
"Chris Kirby" wrote in message ... HUMBUG wrote: Well Walt, you idiot, you OBVIOUSLY have NO idea of the efforts Ashley is putting into getting CBers away from CB and into Amateur Radio in the Melbourne Oz. area. It is a misguided effort. Anyone with a natural interest in technical things like amateur radio will discover amateur radio for themselves. The best place for CBers are the CB bands, and the best place for radio amateurs are the Amateur Radio bands. Whether it be in Oz or UK. 73, -- Chris I disagree Chris. UHF CB in this country is a totally different animal to anything that you may have seen in the UK. Every farm, Rural Fire Service, National Parks, State Forest, Emergency Service, Vet etc in every country town uses UHF CB as it is a practical and affordable system. I've installed dozens of these units over the years in helicopters for mustering in the outback. They use it in their day to day lives and businesses and will NEVER be heard saying 10-4 or using any lingo. The exposure to this system for the general public is automatic and they are highly aware of it. Not so Amateur Radio which just has to be one of the biggest secrets around. CB'ers operate AM, FM, SSB, packet, telemetry and even SSTV legally in this country. They are only going to "discover" Amateur Radio IF someone goes out there and introduces them to the service and enlightens them to the appeal of Ham Radio. Standing on a box and shouting "CB'ers **** off" is about the most self destructive behavour I can imagine. Brad. |
Chris Kirby wrote:
snip The best place for CBers are the CB bands, and the best place for radio amateurs are the Amateur Radio bands. Whether it be in Oz or UK. Y'know minds are like parachutes - they work best when open. If you were a skydiver you'd bounce. -- Humbug |
Martin wrote:
It's funny, I started out 27 years ago on CB, never having heard of amateur radio and never having any interest or knowledge about radio whatsoever. Then through CB I learned a bit more about radio, started building antenna's and got bitten by the radio bug! So I ventured out and looked at amateur radio.. Thank you. You have vindicated exactly what I said. For your benefit, I will repeat it again: "Anyone with a natural interest in technical things like amateur radio will discover amateur radio for themselves." .... as it seems you did. Incidentally, I have said nothing in this thread which could be construed as derogatory about CBers. If you can find any such remarks by me about CBers, then please post them here for all to see. I have a CB radio, and thus, by definition, I am also a CBer, using that service for a specific purpose in connection with offroad motorsport marshalling. 73, -- Chris |
"Chris Kirby" wrote in message ... Martin wrote: It's funny, I started out 27 years ago on CB, never having heard of amateur radio and never having any interest or knowledge about radio whatsoever. Then through CB I learned a bit more about radio, started building antenna's and got bitten by the radio bug! So I ventured out and looked at amateur radio.. Thank you. You have vindicated exactly what I said. For your benefit, I will repeat it again: "Anyone with a natural interest in technical things like amateur radio will discover amateur radio for themselves." ... as it seems you did. Incidentally, I have said nothing in this thread which could be construed as derogatory about CBers. If you can find any such remarks by me about CBers, then please post them here for all to see. I have a CB radio, and thus, by definition, I am also a CBer, using that service for a specific purpose in connection with offroad motorsport marshalling. 73, -- Chris So that's the solution? We do nothing and just wait for like minded people to beat a path to our door. Yep, that's been working really well. Brad. |
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