"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:

: Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF.
:
: Dan/W4NTI


ah Dan...

please dont mention words like HARDER on this newsgroup.

It might scare people into thinking that some sort of effort is required.


Hi Hi...thats a good one....Oh well...back to the CQ WPX Phone fray. Condx
not so hot, ten and 15 good to South America. 20 ain't picked up yet.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:

: Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF.
:
: Dan/W4NTI


ah Dan...

please dont mention words like HARDER on this newsgroup.

It might scare people into thinking that some sort of effort is required.



Hi Hi...thats a good one....Oh well...back to the CQ WPX Phone fray. Condx
not so hot, ten and 15 good to South America. 20 ain't picked up yet.

Dan/W4NTI


Quoted from the CQ WPX Rules - "Maximum power allowed is 1500 watts
total output"

Must be REALLY HARD keeping that PA cool!

Micky

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Dan/W4NTI wrote:


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Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF.


Nah I can talk to the people I talk to on HF just as easy as I talk to them
on VHF :-)


G-S VK3DMN

"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ...
"knickebeinjammer" wrote:

: what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting detail


yes.... :-)


i'm trying to find it too...
but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !!


Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to
use IRLP!!!

"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...

So, are you saying that IRLP *is* part of Amateur Radio as it uses radio
*linked* using internet protocol, but EchoLink (etc) isn't as it uses NO
radio at all??? Can we assume that is correct?

I'm not overly enamoured with the way that the internet is being used in
amateur radio as it seems to be converting our hobby into nothing more than
a mobile phone system. However, my opinion is as you have stated. At least
IRLP demands the use of a radio at each end, and simply uses the internet as
a means of propagating a signal. The other systems - Echolink etc. - do not
work like that, and you can have someone using a radio talking to someone
using a computer, and to me, that isn't amateur radio.

The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a
hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all,
but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio.

Dave S.

"Dave S." wrote in message
...

The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a
hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all,
but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio.

Dave S.

His objection, like Dan, was based on his complete ignorance of the way the
system functioned.

brad.

"Micky Taker" wrote in message
k...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:

: Damn right it is a LOT HARDER on HF.
:
: Dan/W4NTI


ah Dan...

please dont mention words like HARDER on this newsgroup.

It might scare people into thinking that some sort of effort is required.



Hi Hi...thats a good one....Oh well...back to the CQ WPX Phone fray.
Condx not so hot, ten and 15 good to South America. 20 ain't picked up
yet.

Dan/W4NTI


Quoted from the CQ WPX Rules - "Maximum power allowed is 1500 watts total
output"

Must be REALLY HARD keeping that PA cool!

Micky



So? And your point is?

Dan/W4NTI

"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ...
"knickebeinjammer" wrote:

: what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting
detail


yes.... :-)


i'm trying to find it too...
but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !!


Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to
use IRLP!!!

Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband
internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and
knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us.

I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to
the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz.

Kate vk4xyl

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...
Quoted from the CQ WPX Rules - "Maximum power allowed is 1500 watts total
output"

Must be REALLY HARD keeping that PA cool!

Micky



So? And your point is?

Dan/W4NTI

The point is that it isn't so bloody hard when you are running 1500 Watts.
Try running 100W like the rest of the world and watch the difficulty factor
rise.

Brad

"Dave S." wrote in message
...

"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...

So, are you saying that IRLP *is* part of Amateur Radio as it uses radio
*linked* using internet protocol, but EchoLink (etc) isn't as it uses NO
radio at all??? Can we assume that is correct?

I'm not overly enamoured with the way that the internet is being used in
amateur radio as it seems to be converting our hobby into nothing more
than
a mobile phone system. However, my opinion is as you have stated. At least
IRLP demands the use of a radio at each end, and simply uses the internet
as
a means of propagating a signal. The other systems - Echolink etc. - do
not
work like that, and you can have someone using a radio talking to someone
using a computer, and to me, that isn't amateur radio.

The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a
hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all,
but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio.

Dave S.

It seemed (at first) that Walt just didn't want to listen and understand
that IRLP used radio at each end - he seemed to be confusing EchoLink with
IRLP and just didn't want to take notice of the many people trying to
explain that IRLP was no different than linking repeaters via landline,
which seems to be widely accepted in the amateur community.

But then Walt showed his true colours when he said that even repeaters
aren't amateur radio in his eyes, so I suspect it isn't IRLP he is objecting
to, it's actually anyone younger than 50 with an amateur licence! It's a
sad fact that one thing pulling amateur radio down are the old operators
like Walt that just can't accept (or undertsand?) changing times and believe
that all operators should stick to the bands and modes they choose as
suitable. Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and
experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to become
better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever
grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering the
hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly dying!

Funny thing is, many of the old timers probably wouldn't be able to pass the
lower grade tests these days if they were made to re-sit the exams! How
many have kept up on the regs? How many still have all the technical
knowledge? I know some VK Full Calls that got their licence in 'the old
days', that couldn't for the life of them construct a dummy load or string
up a simple wire antenna, or build a SSTV/RTTY interface, or even get one to
work without help from a 'newcomer'. These are tasks that even the lowest
grade newcomer are performing every day.... (yes, I know this doesn't apply
to *all* "old timers" or full calls, but it does apply to many of them - and
if it were a lower grade operator that couldn't do these things then the old
timers would be the first to jump up and say they shouldn't have a licence,
etc..)

Personally, I accept that there are many different aspects to amateur radio,
and while (to me) IRLP will never be as good as actual DX contacts via RF,
at least it gives some operators the chanve to talk outside their local area
and hopefully that will spark their interest a little more as they hear
stories and experiences from overseas operators. And besides, if you don't
like IRLP there is nobody holding a shotgun to your head and forcing you to
listen - there are plenty of other frequencies to use!

Cheers

--
Martin, VK2UMJ

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