"Kate" wrote in message
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"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
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"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
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"knickebeinjammer" wrote:

: what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting
detail


yes.... :-)


i'm trying to find it too...
but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !!


Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to
use IRLP!!!

Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband
internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and
knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us.

Well, yeah, but from the users point of view all you need is a radio (on the
appropriate band) and power supply, antenna and co-ax, and something that
generates DTMF tones. The user doesn't need a computer or internet
connection, or even a phone line for that matter!!


I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected
to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz.

Ahh - wasn't the removal of the HF restriction of us limited's the best
thing to happen to us of late!!! Of course, the Walts of th world still
think we shouldn't even be on any band, we didn't have to do CW....


Kate vk4xyl

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Walt Davidson wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:33:12 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote:

Kate vk4xyl wrote:
I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected
to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz.

Thank you for QRM-ing the QRP CW sub-band with your SSTV repeater.
:-(

According to the VK band plan the recommended (not regulated) CW sub band
extends from 7.000Mhz to 7.030Mhz.

The digital sub band extends from 7.030Mhz to 7.040Mhz.

The SSB sub band extends from 7.040Mhz to 7.100Mhz (primary) and 7.100Mhz to
7.300 Mhz secondary.

So at 7033Khz the SSTV signal is in the _correct_ sub band. [1]


G-S VK3DMN

[1] WIA band plan
http://www.wia.org.au/bandplans/Aust...e%202004. PDF

Dave S. wrote:

The point I was making about Walt is that he was being unfairly labelled a
hypocrite. His objection seemed to be not about using the internet at all,
but about using computers and the internet and calling it amateur radio.

If you had followed all of the thread you would be aware that he objected to
VHF and UHF repeaters, IRLP, Echo Link, CB-ers, ex CB-ers, non morse code
tested amateurs and a number of other procedures and groups _without_
giving supporting arguments.

When people started to refute his arguments with logic and refused to accept
'his word from on high' he started to get upset.

When he refused to debate the _issues_ people starting regarding him in
various less than complimentary ways I suspect :-)

This is after all usenet... people _will_ challenged unsupported statements
(and rightly so!).


G-S VK3DMN

Martin, VK2UMJ wrote:

It seemed (at first) that Walt just didn't want to listen and understand
that IRLP used radio at each end - he seemed to be confusing EchoLink with
IRLP and just didn't want to take notice of the many people trying to
explain that IRLP was no different than linking repeaters via landline,
which seems to be widely accepted in the amateur community.

As already explained, the difference between Echolink and IRLP (and
eQSO for that matter) is minuscule. The whole question of whether
amateurs using computers are not amateurs when they use their
computer, but are amateurs when they use their radios is absurd.

I am a radio amateur. When I talk to another amateur, whether I'm
using Echolink, eQSO, my rig, or even talking over the telephone - if
I'm talking about amateur radio - then I'm having a QSO.

But, here in the UK, there is a new breed of "amateur" gaining
licences, a breed that is incapable of recognising the difference
between a direct contact over radio, and a QSO assisted by either a
repeater or by the internet.

Worse still, some of this breed openly admit to not caring to learn
how it all works. "I'm not technical here, but I can copy you ok".

Well, this *is* a technical hobby, and I have very little time for
those who openly don't wish to learn about "how it works".

There *was* a time when, if you didn't care to learn about propagation
then you weren't adequately qualified to gain a licence. The UK's
Foundation Fiasco Licence (M3 prefix) has moved the goalposts, and now
this tier of licence is available to anyone with a brain equal or
greater than that of an amoeba.

But then Walt showed his true colours when he said that even repeaters
aren't amateur radio in his eyes, so I suspect it isn't IRLP he is objecting
to, it's actually anyone younger than 50 with an amateur licence! It's a
sad fact that one thing pulling amateur radio down are the old operators
like Walt that just can't accept (or undertsand?) changing times and believe
that all operators should stick to the bands and modes they choose as
suitable. Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and
experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to become
better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever
grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering the
hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly dying!

The hobby is not dying. The hf bands are as full of enthusiastic
amateurs as ever before. The hobby is dumbing down. In addition to the
genuine enthusiasts, we now have people who only want to chatter.
Perhaps its time for a new type of CQ call. One four for a copy
anyone?

[ageism text snipped]

Personally, I accept that there are many different aspects to amateur radio,
and while (to me) IRLP will never be as good as actual DX contacts via RF,
at least it gives some operators the chanve to talk outside their local area
and hopefully that will spark their interest a little more as they hear
stories and experiences from overseas operators. And besides, if you don't
like IRLP there is nobody holding a shotgun to your head and forcing you to
listen - there are plenty of other frequencies to use!

.... on that sentiment, we can agree 100%!

73,
--
Chris

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:33:12 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote:

Kate vk4xyl wrote:
I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected
to the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz.

Thank you for QRM-ing the QRP CW sub-band with your SSTV repeater.
:-(

Ahh - wasn't the removal of the HF restriction of us limited's the best
thing to happen to us of late!!! Of course, the Walts of th world still
think we shouldn't even be on any band, we didn't have to do CW....

The fact that you didn't have to "do CW" does not entitle you to cause
QRM to people who choose to use that mode.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com


I did do the CW and I have been running SSTV on 7033 for a few months now.
Since you are such a great HF operator you should know that it is a popular
SSTV frequency in Asia. The web page regularly shows pictures from Japan,
Taiwan, China, Mongolia and Korea which are received on 7033 overnight.

By day there is no propagation from these areas. By the way, out here the
QRP frequency is 7030.

Brad.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:13:56 +1000, "Kate" wrote:


"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ...
"knickebeinjammer" wrote:

: what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting
detail


yes.... :-)


i'm trying to find it too...
but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials !!


Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need to
use IRLP!!!

Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband
internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and
knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us.

More fool he.

I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected to
the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz.

More fool you.

73 de Jock.
--
"11-Plus Science Exam Answers No 2:
"When you breath you inspire. When you
don't breath you expire."

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:29:13 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote:

Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and
experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to become
better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever
grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering the
hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly dying!


Please! Don't tar all of us with the same brush!

Peter wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:29:13 +1000, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote:

Most of the older operators have a wealth of information and
experience they could share with the newer operators, helping them to
become
better hams and advancing the hobby. But instead they sit there, forever
grumpy that times change, throwing abuse and ridicule at those entering
the hobby and at the same time wondering why amateur radio is slowly
dying!


Please! Don't tar all of us with the same brush!

Yes speaking as someone who could join the Radio Amateurs Old Timers Club
(being licensed more than 25 years)... please don't :-)


G-S VK3DMN

"Jock." wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:13:56 +1000, "Kate"
wrote:


"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...
"ZZZZPK " .es.it.net
wrote in message ...
"knickebeinjammer" wrote:

: what is the point of a pc contest ? or am I missing some exciting
detail


yes.... :-)


i'm trying to find it too...
but all i can find in my shack are radios and coax leading to aerials
!!


Isn't that convienient! That just happens to be exactly what you need
to
use IRLP!!!

Of course, you also need a kind Amateur who has a computer and a broadband
internet connection, and who has donated his/her own time, equipment and
knowledge to provide a service for the rest of us.

More fool he.

I have four computers in my shack/living room, one of which is connected
to
the HF radio and is currently providing an SSTV repeater on 7033KHz.

More fool you.

73 de Jock.

Yes, Jock, I guess I am a fool for thinking I could help people like you.
OK, time to turn off the radios, take down the antennas, turn off the
computers, hand in the licence and sit down and vegetate in front of the
telly for the rest of me natural.

Kate

More fool you.

73 de Jock.

Yes, Jock, I guess I am a fool for thinking I could help people like you.
OK, time to turn off the radios, take down the antennas, turn off the
computers, hand in the licence and sit down and vegetate in front of the
telly for the rest of me natural.

Kate

Kate, you don't need to. Jock is doing that already.

Brad.