Hello,

I just got a pack of two Audiovox GMRS7001-2CH two-way
radios and had an unpleasant surprise after opening the
package - "USE OF THIS RADIO ... REQUIRES FCC LICENSE".

Some research showed that, yes, transmitting on a GMRS
frequency requires license. However, the radio have
7 "FRS-only" channels (freq. 467.5625-467.7125). Do I
need license is I use ONLY those channels?

I expect to need the radio once or twice per year when
camping, and I don't want to spend money and time on
FCC license, if not needed for the FRS channels.

Regards,

Gonzo

GMRS and FRS are both citizens band allocations. GMRS is a licensed radio
service, authorizing higher power and flexibility. FRS is unlicensed, with
significant restrictions.

FRS frequencies are interleaved with GMRS frequencies. GMRS radios are also
authorized to transmit on FRS channels 1 to 7 with no more than 5 watts and
using 5 KHz deviation. GMRS uses 467 MHz frequencies as repeater input
channels. All FRS channels are simplex, with 3 Khz deviation and 500
milliwatts.


FRS Frequencies
a.. CH01 462.5625
b.. CH02 462.5875
c.. CH03 462.6125
d.. CH04 462.6375
e.. CH05 462.6625
f.. CH06 462.6875
g.. CH07 462.7125
h..
i.. CH08 467.5625
j.. CH09 467.5875
k.. CH10 467.6125
l.. CH11 467.6373
m.. CH12 467.6625
n.. CH13 467.8874
o.. CH14 467.7125
Do I
need license is I use ONLY those channels?

NO

Ace - www.WH2T.com


Hello,

I just got a pack of two Audiovox GMRS7001-2CH two-way
radios and had an unpleasant surprise after opening the
package - "USE OF THIS RADIO ... REQUIRES FCC LICENSE".

Some research showed that, yes, transmitting on a GMRS
frequency requires license. However, the radio have
7 "FRS-only" channels (freq. 467.5625-467.7125). Do I
need license is I use ONLY those channels?

I expect to need the radio once or twice per year when
camping, and I don't want to spend money and time on
FCC license, if not needed for the FRS channels.

Regards,

Gonzo

Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
GMRS and FRS are both citizens band allocations.

One comment. GMRS is absolutely NOT a citizen's band service.

No where in the CB regulations does it list GMRS. GMRS *did* develop
from the old "Class A CB" service, however. It is one of the personal
radio services.

See
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search




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Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
GMRS and FRS are both citizens band allocations.

One comment. GMRS is absolutely NOT a citizen's band service.

No where in the CB regulations does it list GMRS. GMRS *did* develop
from the old "Class A CB" service, however. It is one of the personal
radio services.

"Dr.Ace - WH2T" wrote in
:

See
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...both+citizens+
band+allocations%22&btnG=Google+Search

That information is wrong. You need to read the CB regulations as stated
in part 95:

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End]
[Revised as of October 1, 2000]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR95.401]

[Page 533-534]

TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION

COMMISSION (CONTINUED)

PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents

Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service

Sec. 95.401 (CB Rule 1) What are the Citizens Band Radio Services?

Source: 48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, unless otherwise noted.

General Provisions


The Citizens Band Radio Services a
(a) The Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service--a private, two-way, short-
distance voice communications service for personal or business
activities of the general public. The CB Radio Service may also be used
for voice paging.
(b) The Family Radio Service (FRS)--a private, two-way, very short-
distance voice communications service for facilitating family and group
activities. The rules for this service are contained in subpart B of
this part.
(c) The Low Power Radio Service (LPRS)--a private, short-distance
communication service providing auditory assistance to persons with
disabilities, persons who require language translation, and persons in
educational settings, health care assistance to the ill, law enforcement
tracking services in cooperation with law enforcement, and point-to-
point network control communications for Automated Marine
Telecommunications System (AMTS) coast stations licensed under part 80
of this chapter. The rules for this service are listed under subpart G
of this part. Two-way voice communications are prohibited.
(d) The Medical Implant Communications Service (MICS)--an ultra-low
power radio service for the transmission of non-voice data for the
purpose of facilitating diagnostic and/or therapeutic functions
involving implanted medical devices. The rules for this service are
contained in subpart I of this part.
(e) The Wireless Medical Telemetry Service (WMTS)--a private, short
distance data communication service for the transmission of patient
medical information to a central monitoring location in a hospital or
other medical facility. Voice and video communications are prohibited.
Waveforms such as electrocardiograms (ECGs) are not considered video.
The rules for this




GMRS is not listed.

wrote in news:1112687214.388534.149420
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Hello,

I just got a pack of two Audiovox GMRS7001-2CH two-way
radios and had an unpleasant surprise after opening the
package - "USE OF THIS RADIO ... REQUIRES FCC LICENSE".

Some research showed that, yes, transmitting on a GMRS
frequency requires license. However, the radio have
7 "FRS-only" channels (freq. 467.5625-467.7125). Do I
need license is I use ONLY those channels?

I expect to need the radio once or twice per year when
camping, and I don't want to spend money and time on
FCC license, if not needed for the FRS channels.


Yes. You require a license. As this radio is type accepted for GMRS
use, you are required to get a license to use the radio, regardless of
whatever channels you already use.

Here is a good source of information:
http://www.popularwireless.com/gmrsbppfaq.html

From the website:

"I thought FRS channels were license free?

You can ONLY operate without a license in the Family Radio Service if you
are using a radio that is FCC Type Approved as a FRS radio. This means a
radio type accepted by the FCC as a FRS radio and NOT a GMRS radio."

As the radios you have are type-accepted as GMRS radios, you would
require a license.

Hope this helps




--
John L. Wilkerson Jr.

GMRS Consumer information website:
http://www.geocities.com/johnlwilker....net/gmrs.html

Thanks for the answers. Now I start to see what should I do,
but still would like to check with you if this is OK.

According to the manual, if I switch to low output power mode (it
has two modes) the maximum output power is 0.5 watt. This should
mean, according to my understanding, that if I use it only in low-
power mode and only on the FRS channels I should be fine.

So, I plan instead of returning the radios to the shop, to go on
using them with those limitations. I still prefer to have the
high power option, in case of real emergency, that's why I prefer
not to switch to FRS-only radio. Also, I would like to start
listening from time to time on the GMRS channels (no transmitting),
just to see how are the things there and decide if I would like to
get GMRS license or not (I probably would).

Is this OK?

Thanks,

- Gonzo

Hi Gonzo ,
That is what I would do. I have read the related laws. I know some people
will say you will be breaking the law because of FCC type acceptance.
Ace - WH2T


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Thanks for the answers. Now I start to see what should I do,
but still would like to check with you if this is OK.

According to the manual, if I switch to low output power mode (it
has two modes) the maximum output power is 0.5 watt. This should
mean, according to my understanding, that if I use it only in low-
power mode and only on the FRS channels I should be fine.

So, I plan instead of returning the radios to the shop, to go on
using them with those limitations. I still prefer to have the
high power option, in case of real emergency, that's why I prefer
not to switch to FRS-only radio. Also, I would like to start
listening from time to time on the GMRS channels (no transmitting),
just to see how are the things there and decide if I would like to
get GMRS license or not (I probably would).

Is this OK?

Thanks,

- Gonzo

wrote in news:1112720808.942240.213740
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

Thanks for the answers. Now I start to see what should I do,
but still would like to check with you if this is OK.

According to the manual, if I switch to low output power mode (it
has two modes) the maximum output power is 0.5 watt. This should
mean, according to my understanding, that if I use it only in low-
power mode and only on the FRS channels I should be fine.


No. Since the radio is a type-certified GMRS radio, you will require a
license regardless.

So, I plan instead of returning the radios to the shop, to go on
using them with those limitations. I still prefer to have the
high power option, in case of real emergency, that's why I prefer
not to switch to FRS-only radio. Also, I would like to start
listening from time to time on the GMRS channels (no transmitting),
just to see how are the things there and decide if I would like to
get GMRS license or not (I probably would).

Is this OK?

Nope. See above, and see my original followup to your original post, as
well as the links I offered you.
A license is REQUIRED to use that radio, under any and all conditions.


--
John L. Wilkerson Jr.

GMRS Consumer information website:
http://www.geocities.com/johnlwilker....net/gmrs.html

"John L. Wilkerson Jr." wrote

A license is REQUIRED to use that radio, under any and all conditions.

So far as the letter-of-the-law is concerned, John is correct.

As a practical matter SO LONG AS YOU TRANSMIT ONLY ON FRS channels and ONLY AT
THE LOW POWER SETTING then you are unlikely to upset anyone nor invite the
attention of any radio police.