Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"cl" wrote in message
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Mel A. Nomah wrote:
"Hamguy" wrote in message
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: http://www.hamwave.com/cgi-bin/index...iewnews&id=689

That link supposes that the fcc will delete the Morse requirement.

Other insiders suggest fcc will NPRM will delete Morse only for
General
license, and will INCREASE the test to 20WPM for renewed Extra class,
downgrading all current "Extra Lite" licenses to resurrected Advanced
license (the second time this license has risen from the ashes).
ARRL
giveaway program will be denied.

All it really says is that the FCC is working on an NPRM that may be
out as soon as next month or as late as July. That NPRM will obviously
contain what FCC wants to do as a result of WRC 2003 and the 18
restructuring petitions.

Once the NPRM becomes public, there will be a comment period, then a
reply comment period. Couple of months at least, maybe longer. Probably
the end of 2005 before comments close.

Then FCC will decide what to do and formulate a Report and Order. Last
time they did this it took almost a year. Which translates to fall
2006. Then a couple months before the new rules become effective -
maybe end of 2006.

Of course it could take even longer, or maybe a bit less. But I
wouldn't expect any changes before summer 2006 - and wouldn't be
surprised if it were summer 2007.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Those who defy wanting to learn the code jump at any chance to perpetuate
rumors of code being eliminated. You're right, it will take a while, even
if they were to decide to write a NPRM to do such. If these people jumped
into Alligator infested waters as fast as they do rumors, the population
would take a sudden drop. I'm not a "lover" of code, but I have hold a
license which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only
takes a few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass
a test. 2 weeks is not long, you probably drove longer on a permit before
being allowed to drive on your own. Probably studied the book longer too!
It takes little effort. The biggest problem with most is "laziness". Maybe
you never will use it again. There are many things you learn in life and
may never use again, unless you plan to play on Jeopardy. Many people
learned the skeletal system in health class, microorganisms in Biology
class. It doesn't mean they use it now. Probably forgot it as soon as they
graduated. But, it was "required". It's not a big deal people. Once you
get past the "do I have to" and start doing it, you'll amaze yourself at
how fast and easy it can be. I DO use code now and then, but not daily
like many others do. Everyone has their own thing. Some are into Packet,
RTTY, AMTOR, etc, I'm not... To each his own. But we all had to learn
"something" about those modes to pass an exam.

cl





Yes indeed....basically laziness.

I have been thinking back to the late 50/early 60s when I started on my trek
down Morse Code lane.

You know what THE MAIN reason was that I learned it? Because I was curious
as to what all those beeps and bops were saying that I was hearing on my
Zenith.

And it has been a blast ever since.

Look at it this way......how many people do you know that can talk with
their fingers?

Dan/W4NTI

Anyone who can type a message on a keyboard?
--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"cl" wrote in message
.verio.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

Mel A. Nomah wrote:
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...

: http://www.hamwave.com/cgi-bin/index...iewnews&id=689

That link supposes that the fcc will delete the Morse requirement.

Other insiders suggest fcc will NPRM will delete Morse only for
General
license, and will INCREASE the test to 20WPM for renewed Extra class,
downgrading all current "Extra Lite" licenses to resurrected Advanced
license (the second time this license has risen from the ashes).
ARRL
giveaway program will be denied.

All it really says is that the FCC is working on an NPRM that may be
out as soon as next month or as late as July. That NPRM will obviously
contain what FCC wants to do as a result of WRC 2003 and the 18
restructuring petitions.

Once the NPRM becomes public, there will be a comment period, then a
reply comment period. Couple of months at least, maybe longer.
Probably
the end of 2005 before comments close.

Then FCC will decide what to do and formulate a Report and Order. Last
time they did this it took almost a year. Which translates to fall
2006. Then a couple months before the new rules become effective -
maybe end of 2006.

Of course it could take even longer, or maybe a bit less. But I
wouldn't expect any changes before summer 2006 - and wouldn't be
surprised if it were summer 2007.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Those who defy wanting to learn the code jump at any chance to
perpetuate
rumors of code being eliminated. You're right, it will take a while,
even
if they were to decide to write a NPRM to do such. If these people
jumped
into Alligator infested waters as fast as they do rumors, the
population
would take a sudden drop. I'm not a "lover" of code, but I have hold a
license which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only
takes a few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to
pass
a test. 2 weeks is not long, you probably drove longer on a permit
before
being allowed to drive on your own. Probably studied the book longer
too!
It takes little effort. The biggest problem with most is "laziness".
Maybe
you never will use it again. There are many things you learn in life
and
may never use again, unless you plan to play on Jeopardy. Many people
learned the skeletal system in health class, microorganisms in Biology
class. It doesn't mean they use it now. Probably forgot it as soon as
they
graduated. But, it was "required". It's not a big deal people. Once you
get past the "do I have to" and start doing it, you'll amaze yourself
at
how fast and easy it can be. I DO use code now and then, but not daily
like many others do. Everyone has their own thing. Some are into
Packet,
RTTY, AMTOR, etc, I'm not... To each his own. But we all had to learn
"something" about those modes to pass an exam.

cl





Yes indeed....basically laziness.

I have been thinking back to the late 50/early 60s when I started on my
trek
down Morse Code lane.

You know what THE MAIN reason was that I learned it? Because I was
curious
as to what all those beeps and bops were saying that I was hearing on my
Zenith.

And it has been a blast ever since.

Look at it this way......how many people do you know that can talk with
their fingers?

Dan/W4NTI

Anyone who can type a message on a keyboard?
--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Speaking of keyboards, that is a perfect example. MANY who are online now -
otherwise would never know how to type. BUT to own a computer and/or get
online, they "had" to learn - OR - at least they're in the process of
learning. It becomes "automatic" after so many hours of use. Same with
code.... All it takes is the application of it. Sure, just in computers,
many may not become proficient in computer programming, etc (just like not
"wanting" to use the code), but they're still learning at some point along
the way.

cl

cl wrote:

Speaking of keyboards, that is a perfect example. MANY who are online now -
otherwise would never know how to type. BUT to own a computer and/or get
online, they "had" to learn - OR - at least they're in the process of
learning. It becomes "automatic" after so many hours of use. Same with
code.... All it takes is the application of it. Sure, just in computers,
many may not become proficient in computer programming, etc (just like not
"wanting" to use the code), but they're still learning at some point along
the way.

cl

I have used computers for over 20 years and I still can't touch
type. I wanted to take a typing class in high school bout "Boys"
weren't allowed to take the class back in the '60s at my high school. I
have to look at the keyboard while i type with two fingers. Carpal
tunnel and nerve damage in my wrists doesn't help the situation either.

I was interested in Amateur Radio back in the late '60s but quickly
lost interest in HF. I wanted to work 144, 432 and up, where code
wasn't used so I went into broadcast and CATV engineering, followed by
working for a company that manufactured microwave telemetry equipment.
I discovered I had more fun making equipment work than using it. Now
I'm 100% disabled and I plan to spend some time restoring the old
Amateur Radio receivers in my small collection.

My current project is a National NC183R. I may use it to listen to
some international broadcasts, but I'll probably sell it after I'm done
working on it. I lose interest in most equipment after I have it
working properly.
--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
cl wrote:

Speaking of keyboards, that is a perfect example. MANY who are online
now -
otherwise would never know how to type. BUT to own a computer and/or get
online, they "had" to learn - OR - at least they're in the process of
learning. It becomes "automatic" after so many hours of use. Same with
code.... All it takes is the application of it. Sure, just in computers,
many may not become proficient in computer programming, etc (just like
not
"wanting" to use the code), but they're still learning at some point
along
the way.

cl

I have used computers for over 20 years and I still can't touch
type. I wanted to take a typing class in high school bout "Boys"
weren't allowed to take the class back in the '60s at my high school. I
have to look at the keyboard while i type with two fingers. Carpal
tunnel and nerve damage in my wrists doesn't help the situation either.

I was interested in Amateur Radio back in the late '60s but quickly
lost interest in HF. I wanted to work 144, 432 and up, where code
wasn't used so I went into broadcast and CATV engineering, followed by
working for a company that manufactured microwave telemetry equipment.
I discovered I had more fun making equipment work than using it. Now
I'm 100% disabled and I plan to spend some time restoring the old
Amateur Radio receivers in my small collection.

My current project is a National NC183R. I may use it to listen to
some international broadcasts, but I'll probably sell it after I'm done
working on it. I lose interest in most equipment after I have it
working properly.
--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

I broke into computers with a Radio Shack computer. Model III - I think it
was. Anyway, I typed using hunt and peck. Given the keyboard lay out, if I
had stuck with it, I may have learned to type a lot sooner. I was getting
used to it. But, life changed and I had to sell it. Then later on, I got a
Commodore 64 and it was a pain in the ass - to me, with all those dumb
commands and keyboard functions. Though I used it quite a bit, I despised
it. Then I got a desktop 386. I was still using hunt and peck, but now I
felt I was in the "real" world of computers. I found the keyboard rather
easy to manipulate and understand. It took about a year - maybe a little
less - of hunt and peck typing. I am in positions where I do a lot of typing
of letters and such. One day I was typing a letter and it suddenly dawned on
me, I hadn't looked at the keyboard the whole time I was typing. I was
flabbergasted. At some point, it all kicked in. When I was in high school -
9th grade I believe, I took typing, I had no choice - it was given to all. I
bombed it. I couldn't type to save my ass - of course, back then, I could
care less - I was into girls and other attractions. Now I type pretty well.
Not as good as say some secretaries I know, but pretty damned well for how
it came to be. USE is 1/2 the battle. If you want it bad enough, give it a
little effort, it will come to you.

cl

In rec.radio.amateur.misc Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I was interested in Amateur Radio back in the late '60s but quickly
lost interest in HF. I wanted to work 144, 432 and up, where code
wasn't used so I went into broadcast and CATV engineering, followed by

Not used by whom? I frequently use CW on the VHF, UHF, and microwave bands -
perhaps moreso than SSB and certainly at least as much.
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

In rec.radio.amateur.misc Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Look at it this way......how many people do you know that can talk with
their fingers?

Dan/W4NTI

Anyone who can type a message on a keyboard?

Quite a few drivers!
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.