cl wrote:


which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only takes a few
minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass a test.

Took me 45 minutes a day for over 6 months, plus one failed test to get
to 5 wpm.

I'm all in favor of Morse code testing, but you guys have to show some
understanding that it isn't that easy for a lot of people.

I aced the writtens, without a whole lot of study by comparison to a
lot of people. I don't go around calling them retards or stupid.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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cl wrote:


which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only takes a
few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass a
test.

Took me 45 minutes a day for over 6 months, plus one failed test to get to
5 wpm.

I'm all in favor of Morse code testing, but you guys have to show some
understanding that it isn't that easy for a lot of people.

I aced the writtens, without a whole lot of study by comparison to a lot
of people. I don't go around calling them retards or stupid.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Ok.... It took "me" 2 weeks, I know others who learned it quickly, but I
can't provide a time frame. Yes, code "can" be harder for others to pick up.
I don't doubt that for a minute. Point is, you have to put one foot in front
of the other and stick with it, to get down the path to learn it. Many don't
want to start, and whine about it without ever putting forth effort. Hell, I
know people who bitched about having to look at the "basic" Q/A manual! One
remark was "Do I "have" to learn all this?" Another - "Do I "have" to read
all these questions?" But yet they want a license. Pure laziness. Licenses
should be "earned" not given away. People are least likely to respect
something "given" to them. The bands are already showing signs of
deterioration from people who just don't care.

cl

cl wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

cl wrote:



which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only takes a
few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass a
test.

Took me 45 minutes a day for over 6 months, plus one failed test to get to
5 wpm.

I'm all in favor of Morse code testing, but you guys have to show some
understanding that it isn't that easy for a lot of people.

I aced the writtens, without a whole lot of study by comparison to a lot
of people. I don't go around calling them retards or stupid.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Ok.... It took "me" 2 weeks, I know others who learned it quickly, but I
can't provide a time frame. Yes, code "can" be harder for others to pick up.
I don't doubt that for a minute. Point is, you have to put one foot in front
of the other and stick with it, to get down the path to learn it.

Yup. I must confess that I kind of drew you and some folks into this a
bit, because I have some significant hearing defects. Several 60+ db
notches,esp at the mid and higher frequencies and two separate tones of
tinnitis, a different frequency for each ear. I haven't had a quiet
moment for 30 years or more. When conversing with people, I read lips. I
understand vey much the situation of the fellow whose wife has notches
in her hearing.(conjecture alert) I would also say I suspect that the
constant noise in my ears has turned of parts of my brain that process
sound. And that is probably why I had such a hard time (conjecture alert
off) All I can say for teh folks with hearing problems is that study,
practice, and most importantly, relaxation during copying is the key.

Does 6 months of constant hard effort indicate the desire to "stick
with it"?

Many don't
want to start, and whine about it without ever putting forth effort. Hell, I
know people who bitched about having to look at the "basic" Q/A manual! One
remark was "Do I "have" to learn all this?" Another - "Do I "have" to read
all these questions?" But yet they want a license. Pure laziness. Licenses
should be "earned" not given away. People are least likely to respect
something "given" to them.

Most of what you say , I agree with. If a person doesn't want to study,
they shouldn't have a license

The bands are already showing signs of
deterioration from people who just don't care.

I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were "dumbed down"!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
cl wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

cl wrote:



which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only takes a
few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass a
test.

Took me 45 minutes a day for over 6 months, plus one failed test to get
to 5 wpm.

I'm all in favor of Morse code testing, but you guys have to show some
understanding that it isn't that easy for a lot of people.

I aced the writtens, without a whole lot of study by comparison to a lot
of people. I don't go around calling them retards or stupid.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Ok.... It took "me" 2 weeks, I know others who learned it quickly, but I
can't provide a time frame. Yes, code "can" be harder for others to pick
up. I don't doubt that for a minute. Point is, you have to put one foot
in front of the other and stick with it, to get down the path to learn
it.

Yup. I must confess that I kind of drew you and some folks into this a
bit, because I have some significant hearing defects. Several 60+ db
notches,esp at the mid and higher frequencies and two separate tones of
tinnitis, a different frequency for each ear. I haven't had a quiet moment
for 30 years or more. When conversing with people, I read lips. I
understand vey much the situation of the fellow whose wife has notches in
her hearing.(conjecture alert) I would also say I suspect that the
constant noise in my ears has turned of parts of my brain that process
sound. And that is probably why I had such a hard time (conjecture alert
off) All I can say for teh folks with hearing problems is that study,
practice, and most importantly, relaxation during copying is the key.


I can only imagine what it must be like with a significant hearing deficit.
I can not and will not put anyone down who has such a problem. As to how
they can learn code, there are many ways, but I guess it comes down to
whatever works best for that person. Not everyone's condition is the same.
I've tested folks with some difficulties, I followed the guidelines as given
by the VEC/FCC. There are ways to test folks with such problems, but getting
them to be able to learn the code - is the first hurdle.

Does 6 months of constant hard effort indicate the desire to "stick with
it"?


Yes, I'd say it certainly does! You are to be commended for doing such.
You're not a "quitter". And from the sounds of things, you didn't "whine"
about it either.

Many don't want to start, and whine about it without ever putting forth
effort. Hell, I know people who bitched about having to look at the
"basic" Q/A manual! One remark was "Do I "have" to learn all this?"
Another - "Do I "have" to read all these questions?" But yet they want a
license. Pure laziness. Licenses should be "earned" not given away.
People are least likely to respect something "given" to them.

Most of what you say , I agree with. If a person doesn't want to study,
they shouldn't have a license

The bands are already showing signs of deterioration from people who just
don't care.

I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were "dumbed
down"!

- Mike KB3EIA -




Yeah, I know the bands started going to hell before that. Used to be I
bragged about Ham to people who wanted their kids to get into radio but
didn't want the CB garbage. I said Ham is clean. Today, you couldn't pay me
to advertise ham as being clean. It is NOT. That is sad..... It really is.
The exams test for proficiency in code, theory, rules and regulations.
They're not psychological tests to weed out all the riff raff. IF such tests
existed for Ham and all the other fields, maybe we'd have a better world.
There are people in every field, be it a hobby or profession - who ruin it
or at the very least - make it look bad for the rest.

cl

cl wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

cl wrote:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


cl wrote:




which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only takes a
few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass a
test.

Took me 45 minutes a day for over 6 months, plus one failed test to get
to 5 wpm.

I'm all in favor of Morse code testing, but you guys have to show some
understanding that it isn't that easy for a lot of people.

I aced the writtens, without a whole lot of study by comparison to a lot
of people. I don't go around calling them retards or stupid.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Ok.... It took "me" 2 weeks, I know others who learned it quickly, but I
can't provide a time frame. Yes, code "can" be harder for others to pick
up. I don't doubt that for a minute. Point is, you have to put one foot
in front of the other and stick with it, to get down the path to learn
it.

Yup. I must confess that I kind of drew you and some folks into this a
bit, because I have some significant hearing defects. Several 60+ db
notches,esp at the mid and higher frequencies and two separate tones of
tinnitis, a different frequency for each ear. I haven't had a quiet moment
for 30 years or more. When conversing with people, I read lips. I
understand vey much the situation of the fellow whose wife has notches in
her hearing.(conjecture alert) I would also say I suspect that the
constant noise in my ears has turned of parts of my brain that process
sound. And that is probably why I had such a hard time (conjecture alert
off) All I can say for teh folks with hearing problems is that study,
practice, and most importantly, relaxation during copying is the key.



I can only imagine what it must be like with a significant hearing deficit.
I can not and will not put anyone down who has such a problem.

It really isn't so bad. In fact, it is sometimes hilarious, when I
badly misinterpret what someone says. My family usually tells people of
my "predicament" before I meet them, when they have the chance, so they
don't think I'm whacked when I give them some off the wall response! 8^)

Though there are some sleepless nights when the ears are really roaring....

So I just wear a headset to Op, and turn the sound up......

As to how
they can learn code, there are many ways, but I guess it comes down to
whatever works best for that person. Not everyone's condition is the same.
I've tested folks with some difficulties, I followed the guidelines as given
by the VEC/FCC. There are ways to test folks with such problems, but getting
them to be able to learn the code - is the first hurdle.


Does 6 months of constant hard effort indicate the desire to "stick with
it"?



Yes, I'd say it certainly does! You are to be commended for doing such.
You're not a "quitter". And from the sounds of things, you didn't "whine"
about it either.

Whining doesn't help anything. And I am proud of having learned Morse
code. Yes, that part was more difficult for me than some others.

Big deal - I'm not going to demand that everything be changed to suit
me. I fully support Morse code testing.


Many don't want to start, and whine about it without ever putting forth
effort. Hell, I know people who bitched about having to look at the
"basic" Q/A manual! One remark was "Do I "have" to learn all this?"
Another - "Do I "have" to read all these questions?" But yet they want a
license. Pure laziness. Licenses should be "earned" not given away.
People are least likely to respect something "given" to them.

Most of what you say , I agree with. If a person doesn't want to study,
they shouldn't have a license


The bands are already showing signs of deterioration from people who just
don't care.

I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were "dumbed
down"!

- Mike KB3EIA -





Yeah, I know the bands started going to hell before that. Used to be I
bragged about Ham to people who wanted their kids to get into radio but
didn't want the CB garbage. I said Ham is clean. Today, you couldn't pay me
to advertise ham as being clean. It is NOT. That is sad..... It really is.
The exams test for proficiency in code, theory, rules and regulations.
They're not psychological tests to weed out all the riff raff. IF such tests
existed for Ham and all the other fields, maybe we'd have a better world.
There are people in every field, be it a hobby or profession - who ruin it
or at the very least - make it look bad for the rest.

I don't know if you do PSK31 or not. But if you want to QSO with
gentlemen and gentlewomen, it is the place to go. I've yet to hear a
curse or even complaining gossip on that mode. The worst I ever heard
was one ham (deservedly) upbraiding another for a horribly overdriven
and powerful signal that was wreaking havoc with the rest of the
segment. But even that was tame by comparison with the rest of the
bands. 20 is great for DX, and 80 is the place to go to ragchew.

And on psk31, I have no hearing problems at all, haha!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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cl wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

cl wrote:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


cl wrote:




which required code. 5 WPM is not impossible to learn. It only takes a
few minutes a day and about 2 weeks at least to get enough to pass a
test.

Took me 45 minutes a day for over 6 months, plus one failed test to get
to 5 wpm.

I'm all in favor of Morse code testing, but you guys have to show some
understanding that it isn't that easy for a lot of people.

I aced the writtens, without a whole lot of study by comparison to a
lot of people. I don't go around calling them retards or stupid.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Ok.... It took "me" 2 weeks, I know others who learned it quickly, but I
can't provide a time frame. Yes, code "can" be harder for others to pick
up. I don't doubt that for a minute. Point is, you have to put one foot
in front of the other and stick with it, to get down the path to learn
it.

Yup. I must confess that I kind of drew you and some folks into this a
bit, because I have some significant hearing defects. Several 60+ db
notches,esp at the mid and higher frequencies and two separate tones of
tinnitis, a different frequency for each ear. I haven't had a quiet
moment for 30 years or more. When conversing with people, I read lips. I
understand vey much the situation of the fellow whose wife has notches
in her hearing.(conjecture alert) I would also say I suspect that the
constant noise in my ears has turned of parts of my brain that process
sound. And that is probably why I had such a hard time (conjecture alert
off) All I can say for teh folks with hearing problems is that study,
practice, and most importantly, relaxation during copying is the key.



I can only imagine what it must be like with a significant hearing
deficit. I can not and will not put anyone down who has such a problem.

It really isn't so bad. In fact, it is sometimes hilarious, when I badly
misinterpret what someone says. My family usually tells people of my
"predicament" before I meet them, when they have the chance, so they don't
think I'm whacked when I give them some off the wall response! 8^)

Though there are some sleepless nights when the ears are really
roaring....

So I just wear a headset to Op, and turn the sound up......

As to how they can learn code, there are many ways, but I guess it comes
down to whatever works best for that person. Not everyone's condition is
the same. I've tested folks with some difficulties, I followed the
guidelines as given by the VEC/FCC. There are ways to test folks with such
problems, but getting them to be able to learn the code - is the first
hurdle.


Does 6 months of constant hard effort indicate the desire to "stick with
it"?



Yes, I'd say it certainly does! You are to be commended for doing such.
You're not a "quitter". And from the sounds of things, you didn't "whine"
about it either.

Whining doesn't help anything. And I am proud of having learned Morse
code. Yes, that part was more difficult for me than some others.

Big deal - I'm not going to demand that everything be changed to suit me.
I fully support Morse code testing.


Many don't want to start, and whine about it without ever putting forth
effort. Hell, I know people who bitched about having to look at the
"basic" Q/A manual! One remark was "Do I "have" to learn all this?"
Another - "Do I "have" to read all these questions?" But yet they want a
license. Pure laziness. Licenses should be "earned" not given away.
People are least likely to respect something "given" to them.

Most of what you say , I agree with. If a person doesn't want to study,
they shouldn't have a license


The bands are already showing signs of deterioration from people who
just don't care.

I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were "dumbed
down"!

- Mike KB3EIA -





Yeah, I know the bands started going to hell before that. Used to be I
bragged about Ham to people who wanted their kids to get into radio but
didn't want the CB garbage. I said Ham is clean. Today, you couldn't pay
me to advertise ham as being clean. It is NOT. That is sad..... It really
is. The exams test for proficiency in code, theory, rules and
regulations. They're not psychological tests to weed out all the riff
raff. IF such tests existed for Ham and all the other fields, maybe we'd
have a better world. There are people in every field, be it a hobby or
profession - who ruin it or at the very least - make it look bad for the
rest.

I don't know if you do PSK31 or not. But if you want to QSO with gentlemen
and gentlewomen, it is the place to go. I've yet to hear a curse or even
complaining gossip on that mode. The worst I ever heard was one ham
(deservedly) upbraiding another for a horribly overdriven and powerful
signal that was wreaking havoc with the rest of the segment. But even that
was tame by comparison with the rest of the bands. 20 is great for DX, and
80 is the place to go to ragchew.

And on psk31, I have no hearing problems at all, haha!

- Mike KB3EIA -

No as a matter of fact, I am not into PSK31. I've not really been on the Ham
bands for a while. Just recently I did start scanning them though. First
time in about a year. I'm waiting to do some more phone and yes - maybe even
a CW contact!!!!!

cl

Mike Coslo wrote:

I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were "dumbed
down"!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike, I've been meaning to ask. Are you still sore at me for not
giving your grief about the balloon project? I've been stressing over
Steve's label of "antagonist" for not giving you grief for some time
now. I'm such a terrible person. Hi!

bb wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were "dumbed

down"!

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike, I've been meaning to ask. Are you still sore at me for not
giving your grief about the balloon project?

HEH! Now you confused me Brian. But seriously, that you *didn't* give
me grief was duly noted!


I've been stressing over
Steve's label of "antagonist" for not giving you grief for some time
now. I'm such a terrible person. Hi!

Ohh, you know how newsgroups are.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
bb wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were
"dumbed

down"!

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike, I've been meaning to ask. Are you still sore at me for not
giving your grief about the balloon project?

HEH! Now you confused me Brian. But seriously, that you *didn't*
give
me grief was duly noted!

I've been stressing over
Steve's label of "antagonist" for not giving you grief for some
time
now. I'm such a terrible person. Hi!

Ohh, you know how newsgroups are.....

I know how they are, Mike!

They're populated by people who don't have the intestinal
fortitude to sign their names to their posts and they make up
allegations to try and hide behind.

Ask Brain where the Techs went. He insists that they were "chased
away", yet refuses to say who chased them away or where they went.
I've asked him repeatedly after he unequivocally stated they had.

Ask Brain where the "unlicensed devices" are. He insists that
"unlicensed devices" play a "major roll" in emergency communications.
He WON'T provide any evidence of it, but he insists it's true.

Brain has also recently asserted that ARES is "overblown", and
that it won't respond to "real disasters" due to the age of it's
membership. I've posted several news releases, all of them from within
the last 2 weeks, and Brain won't explain how it is ARES is "overblown"
when there's evidence to the contrary.

Those are just the recents ones...The Somalia horse is pretty
dead...He could never make that horse trot no matter how colorful a
jockey he put on it.

His "I've worked DXCC several times over" stories are cute, too...

Now his most current diversion is adding up non-existant "lies".
It just makes him look more feeble, but hey, it keeps him warm.

Keeps me warm too....from laughing so hard!

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

bb wrote:


Mike Coslo wrote:


I've heard of some pretty wild times long before things were

"dumbed

down"!


- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike, I've been meaning to ask. Are you still sore at me for not
giving your grief about the balloon project?

HEH! Now you confused me Brian. But seriously, that you *didn't*

give

me grief was duly noted!

I've been stressing over

Steve's label of "antagonist" for not giving you grief for some

time

now. I'm such a terrible person. Hi!

Ohh, you know how newsgroups are.....


I know how they are, Mike!

They're populated by people who don't have the intestinal
fortitude to sign their names to their posts and they make up
allegations to try and hide behind.

Now that you mention it, I have taken amazing amounts of guff because I
am "stupid enough" to use my own name and callsign. I've only been doing
that since, oh..... the early '90's.

And yet, there is no doubt that the more anonymous the poster, the more
outrageous and profane the posts. Odd how the "smart" people seem to
need to hide themselves. Big deal! Its sooo easy to be a big man when
you hide who you are.

Hey, are you going to be at Dayton this year?

- Mike - KB3EIA -