K=D8HB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

How long will it take the code teachers and
code advocates to catch on to the concept,
or will they coninue on with the stepped hoops?

"Stepped hoops"? In my experience, people tend to learn Morse not in ste=
ps, but
by gradual increases. Granted that there are some "plateaus" (approximat=
ely
10WPM and 25WPM) but these are found to be related to the "mental mechani=
cs" of
learning.

Up to about 10WPM trainees can still "count the dits", so moving beyond t=
hat
speed requires them to learn to recognize the "sound of the character" wi=
thout
deliberate "counting the dits". This is what makes the Farnsworth traini=
ng
method effective, in that the trainee is early acquainted to the "sound o=
f the
character" at the higher speeds.

The 25WPM plateau seems related to sublimating copying to a "middle consc=
ious"
level, where the characters flow at an almost sub-conscious level from th=
e ear
to the fingertip without active thought about the actual characters heard.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Like I said...

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth can
go back to being a teaching method. And maybe without artificial
testing steps, Morse can develop more along the lines human learning
and consciousness.

b.b.:

The internet is wonderful. I just completed an exhaustive search and located
that CW training tape in question, I downloaded it in .mp3 format and listened
to it.

Don't bother with getting it yourself, when I played it, all it said was, "Grab
a BEEG RADIO (cb & leen-e-air) and go to it, if you want to have fun.

Then it asked for a "donation" to be sent to the arrl for the tape!

There was also a disgusting ad on the tape (the background sounded like it had
been recorded at a flea market), some old ham trying to sell bicycle seats
which had only been sniffed one time before!

Keep your money!

John

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KØHB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

How long will it take the code teachers and
code advocates to catch on to the concept,
or will they coninue on with the stepped hoops?

"Stepped hoops"? In my experience, people tend to learn Morse not in steps,
but
by gradual increases. Granted that there are some "plateaus" (approximately
10WPM and 25WPM) but these are found to be related to the "mental mechanics"
of
learning.

Up to about 10WPM trainees can still "count the dits", so moving beyond that
speed requires them to learn to recognize the "sound of the character"
without
deliberate "counting the dits". This is what makes the Farnsworth training
method effective, in that the trainee is early acquainted to the "sound of
the
character" at the higher speeds.

The 25WPM plateau seems related to sublimating copying to a "middle
conscious"
level, where the characters flow at an almost sub-conscious level from the
ear
to the fingertip without active thought about the actual characters heard.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Like I said...

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth can
go back to being a teaching method. And maybe without artificial
testing steps, Morse can develop more along the lines human learning
and consciousness.

"b.b." wrote

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth
can go back to being a teaching method.

Thus it is, thus it always has been.... I don't understand "go back to"....

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth
can go back to being a teaching method.

Thus it is, thus it always has been.... I don't understand "go back to"..=
..=2E

73, de Hans, K0HB

Morse had become merely a licensing hurdle, Farnsworth a testing
scheme. Now if anyone bothers to learn Morse, it will be to use it.

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KØHB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth
can go back to being a teaching method.

Thus it is, thus it always has been.... I don't understand "go back
to"....

73, de Hans, K0HB

Morse had become merely a licensing hurdle, Farnsworth a testing
scheme. Now if anyone bothers to learn Morse, it will be to use it.


You know something? Your probably right....and actually that is a good
thing.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"b.b." wrote in message
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K=D8HB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth
can go back to being a teaching method.

Thus it is, thus it always has been.... I don't understand "go back
to"....

73, de Hans, K0HB

Morse had become merely a licensing hurdle, Farnsworth a testing
scheme. Now if anyone bothers to learn Morse, it will be to use it.

You know something? Your probably right....and actually that is a good
thing.

Dan/W4NTI

People may not always agree with my opinions, but that's OK with me.

There were plenty of Code Tape Extra's out there who never worked a dit
in their lives.

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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"b.b." wrote in message
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KØHB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth
can go back to being a teaching method.

Thus it is, thus it always has been.... I don't understand "go back
to"....

73, de Hans, K0HB

Morse had become merely a licensing hurdle, Farnsworth a testing
scheme. Now if anyone bothers to learn Morse, it will be to use it.

You know something? Your probably right....and actually that is a good
thing.

Dan/W4NTI

People may not always agree with my opinions, but that's OK with me.

There were plenty of Code Tape Extra's out there who never worked a dit
in their lives.

Of course there were/are. Lots of folks never cared a lick if they actually
operated CW or not. And to them it was a hurdle to do 13 or 20.

But to those select few that actually enjoyed the mode it became a real pain
hearing about how hard it was to learn, how useless, how unnecessary, etc.

Now perhaps the debate will finally END. And those that like CW can
continue to enjoy it. And help those that want to learn it, learn it, and
also enjoy it. And use it and not have to put up with all the whinning any
longer.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:


Now perhaps the debate will finally END. And those that like CW can
continue to enjoy it. And help those that want to learn it, learn it, and
also enjoy it. And use it and not have to put up with all the whinning any
longer.

You are an optimist Dan! The whining has only begun. Those writtens are
just too darn HARD!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"b.b." wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"b.b." wrote in message
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K=D8HB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and Farnsworth
can go back to being a teaching method.

Thus it is, thus it always has been.... I don't understand "go back
to"....

73, de Hans, K0HB

Morse had become merely a licensing hurdle, Farnsworth a testing
scheme. Now if anyone bothers to learn Morse, it will be to use it.

You know something? Your probably right....and actually that is a good
thing.

Dan/W4NTI

People may not always agree with my opinions, but that's OK with me.

There were plenty of Code Tape Extra's out there who never worked a dit
in their lives.

Of course there were/are. Lots of folks never cared a lick if they actua=
lly
operated CW or not. And to them it was a hurdle to do 13 or 20.

Even 5wpm was an unnecessary hurdle to folks not interested in the
mode.

But to those select few that actually enjoyed the mode it became a real p=
ain
hearing about how hard it was to learn, how useless, how unnecessary, et=
c=2E

Why?

Now perhaps the debate will finally END.

I hope so.

And those that like CW can continue to enjoy it.

I certainly hope so.

Just one question; why must I have learned Morse Code for you to enjoy
CW use?

And help those that want to learn it, learn it, and
also enjoy it.

I hope so.

And use it and not have to put up with all the whinning any longer.
=20
Dan/W4NTI

What whining?

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in
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"b.b." wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"b.b." wrote in message
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KØHB wrote:
"b.b." wrote

Maybe Morse can go back to being an encoding scheme, and
Farnsworth can go back to being a teaching method.

Thus it is, thus it always has been.... I don't understand "go back
to"....

73, de Hans, K0HB

Morse had become merely a licensing hurdle, Farnsworth a testing
scheme. Now if anyone bothers to learn Morse, it will be to use it.

You know something? Your probably right....and actually that is a
good thing.

Dan/W4NTI

People may not always agree with my opinions, but that's OK with me.

There were plenty of Code Tape Extra's out there who never worked a dit
in their lives.

Of course there were/are. Lots of folks never cared a lick if they
actually operated CW or not. And to them it was a hurdle to do 13 or
20.

But to those select few that actually enjoyed the mode it became a real
pain hearing about how hard it was to learn, how useless, how
unnecessary, etc.

Now perhaps the debate will finally END. And those that like CW can
continue to enjoy it. And help those that want to learn it, learn it,
and also enjoy it. And use it and not have to put up with all the
whinning any longer.

Dan/W4NTI





That's a change of tune from you. When you're right, you're right!