If you refer to "operators" then you refer to CB Radio
enthusiasts who are habitually ill-mannered and insulting.
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.

I append a short article to assist you in your
disambiguation of the two.

Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
You mean that we are just human beings who like to cut up sometimes? Guess
what world, amateur operators are just human. We are not super geeks who's
only life is getting to 30 wpm in morse and figuring out which antenna is
best for 160 meters.
"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?

Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.


What is Ham Radio?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years
and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----OOOOO----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults;
they have not satisfied any technical qualification
and their licences prevent the use of
self-designed-and-built equipment.

These CB types engage in the competitive activities
with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios
in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams.

No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people!

-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also hold a CB licence safe in the knowledge that
such a licence says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
a Ham Radio licence and a CB Radio licence. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind. A sure sign of
a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence
issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the
M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.

-----ooooo-----

One group of people who claim to be of the standard of
Radio Hams but who are in reality nothing more than an
apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B
licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against
the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF
bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their
intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds.

6 year-olds simply lack the mathematical tool kit to
enable them to handle even the simplest algebraic manipulation
for Ohm's Law and thus, the disgraceful Class Ber's in
the aforementioned category are not Radio Hams by any stretch
of the imagination!

Remember - A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds,
or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous
degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme!

Polymath wrote:
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.

I agree. But isn't most of the noise in the newsgroups generated by
non-hams ?

I've been using newsgroups for a long time, but only recently joined the ham
groups. I don't think I've seen this amount of noise in ANY other
newsgroups for special interests. Maybe hams are more easily annoyed or
insulted than other people and thus attract more idiots ?

Also, a lot of nerdy people are interested in ham radio, and unfortunately a
lot of nerds are unable to function socially.


--
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com

Sigurd Stenersen wrote:
Polymath wrote:
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.

I agree. But isn't most of the noise in the newsgroups generated by
non-hams ?

I've been using newsgroups for a long time, but only recently joined the ham
groups. I don't think I've seen this amount of noise in ANY other
newsgroups for special interests. Maybe hams are more easily annoyed or
insulted than other people and thus attract more idiots ?

now while I have seen you saya a few things I thought were realy stupid
you are RIGHT on the money here

Hams have thin skins

a dermal problem caused by too much Morse code perhaps

Also, a lot of nerdy people are interested in ham radio, and unfortunately a
lot of nerds are unable to function socially.


--
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a technical pursuit
for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.

"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
If you refer to "operators" then you refer to CB Radio
enthusiasts who are habitually ill-mannered and insulting.
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.

I append a short article to assist you in your
disambiguation of the two.

Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
You mean that we are just human beings who like to cut up sometimes?
Guess
what world, amateur operators are just human. We are not super geeks
who's
only life is getting to 30 wpm in morse and figuring out which antenna is
best for 160 meters.
"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?

Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.


What is Ham Radio?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years
and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----OOOOO----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults;
they have not satisfied any technical qualification
and their licences prevent the use of
self-designed-and-built equipment.

These CB types engage in the competitive activities
with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios
in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams.

No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people!

-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also hold a CB licence safe in the knowledge that
such a licence says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
a Ham Radio licence and a CB Radio licence. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind. A sure sign of
a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence
issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the
M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.

-----ooooo-----

One group of people who claim to be of the standard of
Radio Hams but who are in reality nothing more than an
apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B
licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against
the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF
bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their
intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds.

6 year-olds simply lack the mathematical tool kit to
enable them to handle even the simplest algebraic manipulation
for Ohm's Law and thus, the disgraceful Class Ber's in
the aforementioned category are not Radio Hams by any stretch
of the imagination!

Remember - A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds,
or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous
degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme!

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:09:08 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
wrote:

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a
technical pursuit for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.

But at least he doesn't put a two-line reply in and then
quote 2 Megabytes of irrelevant drivel below it.

--

73 de Jock.

"Choice has always been a privilege of those who
could afford to pay for it."
- Ellen Frankfort

All this bull**** gets back to my original point! What a bunch of pompous
blowhards.

My BSEE allows me to calculate field strength of any EM field in 3D space
using Maxwell's equations. I know the Brits degree is much better and the
USA is just another English possession.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
"Jock." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:09:08 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"

wrote:

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a
technical pursuit for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.

But at least he doesn't put a two-line reply in and then
quote 2 Megabytes of irrelevant drivel below it.

--

73 de Jock.

"Choice has always been a privilege of those who
could afford to pay for it."
- Ellen Frankfort

As far as bull**** goes, your article below,
being as it is a non-sequitur to the material
quoted, really takes the biscuit!

In Britland, everybody is permitted to use
Maxwell's equations, irrespective of any
qualification that they might have. To claim,
as you do, that your degree grants you such
a permission would seem to show you up for the
pompousness that you deride.


Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
All this bull**** gets back to my original point! What a bunch of pompous
blowhards.

My BSEE allows me to calculate field strength of any EM field in 3D space
using Maxwell's equations. I know the Brits degree is much better and the
USA is just another English possession.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
"Jock." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:09:08 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"

wrote:

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a
technical pursuit for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.

But at least he doesn't put a two-line reply in and then
quote 2 Megabytes of irrelevant drivel below it.

--

73 de Jock.

"Choice has always been a privilege of those who
could afford to pay for it."
- Ellen Frankfort

On 29 Oct 2005 23:28:37 -0700, "Polymath"
wrote:

As far as bull**** goes, your article below,
being as it is a non-sequitur to the material
quoted, really takes the biscuit!

In Britland, everybody is permitted to use
Maxwell's equations, irrespective of any
qualification that they might have. To claim,
as you do, that your degree grants you such
a permission would seem to show you up for the
pompousness that you deride.

anyone can try to use them Ham or not Howver without real training and
paractice you are unlikely to do so correctly

I could do the same as Wayne at least at some point in the past I
would have to sit down and think about it today

but most folks can't even read the equations indeed the standard
keyboard can't type the equations without some fancy dancing


Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
All this bull**** gets back to my original point! What a bunch of pompous
blowhards.

My BSEE allows me to calculate field strength of any EM field in 3D space
using Maxwell's equations. I know the Brits degree is much better and the
USA is just another English possession.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
"Jock." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:09:08 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"

wrote:

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a
technical pursuit for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.

But at least he doesn't put a two-line reply in and then
quote 2 Megabytes of irrelevant drivel below it.

--

73 de Jock.

"Choice has always been a privilege of those who
could afford to pay for it."
- Ellen Frankfort

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"Wayne P. Muckleroy" wrote -

My BSEE allows me to calculate field strength of any EM field in 3D
space
using Maxwell's equations.

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And of what bloody use is that to anybody ?

Do you know how to erect an Inverted-L ?

I bet you voted for Bush.
=====================================

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
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And of what bloody use is that to anybody ?

Do you know how to erect an Inverted-L ?

I bet you voted for Bush.
=====================================


Having a bad day Reg?

:-)

--
73s de Walter R.