On 10 Jul 2006 18:40:07 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

but it is load of bullto say Morse is a language

Your opinion, not that of those who can converse in it.

no such requirement exists indeed if you can read then the question and
answers are suposed to read to you and your aswers taken down

Languageless? You MUST demonstrate proficiency in at least ONE
language to get a license, even today. A code test is demonstrating
proficiency in two languages - not a major step.

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:40:07 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

but it is load of bullto say Morse is a language

Your opinion, not that of those who can converse in it.
my opinion yes but also a fact Morse code is no more a language than
Crillic is

it is simply an alphabet

you can exchange a limited amount of info using the stand codes but you
can say "do you walk or run by the sea" in morse to any one that does
not speak or read english first

you are simply spreading ignorance al

no such requirement exists indeed if you can read then the question and
answers are suposed to read to you and your aswers taken down

Languageless?
yes indeed although it easier if you do understand english not required

not suree if you can take the test in spanish (or other ;lang)right
off but if not now soon I expect it will be possible
You MUST demonstrate proficiency in at least ONE
language to get a license, even today.

nope no such requirement exists not for techs not generals and not
extras either

indeed you point out the way you can get a license without demtating
skill with english if you simply memroize all the questions and answers
their remains no requirement that you understand the content, that task
is easier if you know english but not a requirement

where is this requirement for lang skill in part 97?

A code test is demonstrating
proficiency in two languages - not a major step.

expect you are never required to demostrate profiicentcy in any
language at all
and if you were 2 languages would twice one and Code is NOT a langauage
just an alphabet

Indeeded the ignorance of Hams that spread such tales have been one of
the tools the No Code movement has been using against you

On 10 Jul 2006 19:53:45 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:40:07 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

but it is load of bullto say Morse is a language

Your opinion, not that of those who can converse in it.
my opinion yes but also a fact Morse code is no more a language than
Crillic is

Yes, I know your opinion. That still makes it just your opinion.

it is simply an alphabet

No more than ASL is "just an alphabet". (BTW, those who actually
study the subject consider both Morse and ASL to be languages.)

you can exchange a limited amount of info using the stand codes but you
can say "do you walk or run by the sea" in morse to any one that does
not speak or read english first

Neither can you communicate with someone in ASL if they don't
understand English. So? That still doesn't stop ASL from being a
language.

you are simply spreading ignorance al

That you don't know something doesn't make it the ignorance of others.

no such requirement exists indeed if you can read then the question and
answers are suposed to read to you and your aswers taken down

Languageless?

yes indeed although it easier if you do understand english not required

So if you don't understand English you can still answer English
questions. Interesting.

not suree if you can take the test in spanish

I'm sure - you can. But one thing's for sure - it has to be in SOME
language.

You MUST demonstrate proficiency in at least ONE
language to get a license, even today.

nope no such requirement exists not for techs not generals and not
extras either

Stop arguing and start thinking. Your claim - that one doesn't have
to know any language to pass the test - is nonsense.

indeed you point out the way you can get a license without demtating
skill with english if you simply memroize all the questions and answers

In what language?

their remains no requirement that you understand the content, that task
is easier if you know english but not a requirement

You can understand the content if you don't understand any language?
How?

where is this requirement for lang skill in part 97?

Part 97 itself.

A code test is demonstrating
proficiency in two languages - not a major step.

expect you are never required to demostrate profiicentcy in any
language at all

Which you are. You're just arguing, not thinking.

and if you were 2 languages would twice one and Code is NOT a langauage
just an alphabet

Again, your opinion, not the opinion of language experts.

Indeeded the ignorance of Hams that spread such tales have been one of
the tools the No Code movement has been using against you

The reason the FCC is dropping the code requirement has absolutely
nothing to do with any "movement" or any lame argument like "you don't
have to understand any language to pass the test".

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 19:53:45 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

you are simply spreading ignorance al

That you don't know something doesn't make it the ignorance of others.

no such requirement exists indeed if you can read then the question and
answers are suposed to read to you and your aswers taken down

Languageless?

yes indeed although it easier if you do understand english not required

So if you don't understand English you can still answer English
questions. Interesting.

all that is required is getting the right answers down on the answer
sheet

how the test taker manages that (other than cheating) is up the take
of the test one of the options

understanding the lang of the question is merely one or the options the
best one for the ARS but for example MY wife did not understand some
the question on her tech test using the fact I know something of how
the test is asembled and graded she was able to fill correctly some of
the ansers by looking for a patern in the in answers of the questions
she could understand without this test taking skill ( avarient of skill
taught in some corners for passing other tests) she would not be a ham
today

and yet she was able to help set up at FD this year and make some
contact and has been able to devolpe soe of the skill needd in the ARS,
enough to be complmented on her skill duiring reccent local emergency
here in the area. i was busy geting theour aux power back online and
adjusted to the loads I wanted carried and she used the radio (and
helped by reading a a few reading fromt he station back to me as I
worked on stablizing our household systems

My wife does not understand a great deal of the content of the messages
she relayed, such understanding was not required in order to be of
assitance

On her own she has slowly been feling her way into the preveldges
offered by her license, amsuingly to those that know me she is
developing some talnet for Morse Code and and has been making a qso's
in that mode but due being still clumsy and a more than bit of test
anxiety has been unable to pass a test that and the fact the tone the
arrl uses gives her a headache and the ARRL will not alow another tone
to used without the report of an audiologist (at a cost of about 2k)
means she will wait tille the FCC acts to get an HF license like I am
waiting