I would have to say yes, since CW has always been allowed on ALL amateur
bands, from the bottom end to the top end of each.

Scott
N0EDV

julian814 wrote:
Now that code has been dropped from the license requirement, what will
happen to the CW frequencies? Will people still be able to use Morse
Code on them?


Ralph Glatt

Scott wrote:
I would have to say yes, since CW has always been allowed on ALL amateur
bands, from the bottom end to the top end of each.

Scott
N0EDV

julian814 wrote:

Now that code has been dropped from the license requirement, what will
happen to the CW frequencies? Will people still be able to use Morse
Code on them?


Ralph Glatt

FYI - THat is no longer 100% true since the spot frequencies on 60M are
USB only.
And 6 and 2 are the only places with CW only bands.

Oops, forgot about 60M. Not sure about 6 and 2 being the only bands
with a CW only portion. Maybe a better choice of words would be
"non-voice portions" since it appears that the HF bands still have
segments designated for rtty and data. ???

Scott


John Siegel wrote:


Scott wrote:

I would have to say yes, since CW has always been allowed on ALL
amateur bands, from the bottom end to the top end of each.

Scott
N0EDV

julian814 wrote:

Now that code has been dropped from the license requirement, what will
happen to the CW frequencies? Will people still be able to use Morse
Code on them?


Ralph Glatt

FYI - THat is no longer 100% true since the spot frequencies on 60M are
USB only.
And 6 and 2 are the only places with CW only bands.

Scott wrote:
Oops, forgot about 60M. Not sure about 6 and 2 being the only bands
with a CW only portion. Maybe a better choice of words would be
"non-voice portions" since it appears that the HF bands still have
segments designated for rtty and data. ???

IMHO that was a mistake. It was because the U.S. voice portions of 80m and 40m
where inacessable to ITU zone 1 hams. So putting the data and rtty in them
would have slowed down their growth.

Tune across the high end of the old 80m and 40m CW bands, and you can
see what I mean. from 7100 down, it's almost unusable due to digital
signals, some nights as low as 7050. The same thing with 3850 which is
the top end of my 80m band.

Yes, we now have 7100-7200, but it's not much good for DX yet. It's still
filled with high power SWBC stations who have no intention of moving.
When they are off the air, there is no propigation. :-(

To veer this discussion anywhere near the topic. If you asked because
you are thinking of building a CW only rig, don't worry, it will be
usefull for a long time to come.

Geoff.

--
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IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
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On Feb 14, 4:21 am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
Scott wrote:
Oops, forgot about 60M. Not sure about 6 and 2 being the only bands
with a CW only portion. Maybe a better choice of words would be
"non-voice portions" since it appears that the HF bands still have
segments designated for rtty and data. ???

IMHO that was a mistake. It was because the U.S. voice portions of 80m and 40m
where inacessable to ITU zone 1 hams. So putting the data and rtty in them
would have slowed down their growth.

Tune across the high end of the old 80m and 40m CW bands, and you can
see what I mean. from 7100 down, it's almost unusable due to digital
signals, some nights as low as 7050. The same thing with 3850 which is
the top end of my 80m band.

Yes, we now have 7100-7200, but it's not much good for DX yet. It's still
filled with high power SWBC stations who have no intention of moving.
When they are off the air, there is no propigation. :-(

To veer this discussion anywhere near the topic. If you asked because
you are thinking of building a CW only rig, don't worry, it will be
usefull for a long time to come.

Well, some of the schematics I've been looking at are for CW rigs.
(Glowbug rigs, in particular.) You have me wondering, though - I
thought digital radio used the same bands as commercial radio?

Ralph Glatt

"julian814" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 14, 4:21 am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
Scott wrote:
Oops, forgot about 60M. Not sure about 6 and 2 being the only bands
with a CW only portion. Maybe a better choice of words would be
"non-voice portions" since it appears that the HF bands still have
segments designated for rtty and data. ???

IMHO that was a mistake. It was because the U.S. voice portions of 80m
and 40m
where inacessable to ITU zone 1 hams. So putting the data and rtty in
them
would have slowed down their growth.

Tune across the high end of the old 80m and 40m CW bands, and you can
see what I mean. from 7100 down, it's almost unusable due to digital
signals, some nights as low as 7050. The same thing with 3850 which is
the top end of my 80m band.

Yes, we now have 7100-7200, but it's not much good for DX yet. It's still
filled with high power SWBC stations who have no intention of moving.
When they are off the air, there is no propigation. :-(

To veer this discussion anywhere near the topic. If you asked because
you are thinking of building a CW only rig, don't worry, it will be
usefull for a long time to come.

Well, some of the schematics I've been looking at are for CW rigs.
(Glowbug rigs, in particular.) You have me wondering, though - I
thought digital radio used the same bands as commercial radio?

Ralph Glatt


Nope, amateur radio digital transmissions use amateur radio bands.

Dee, N8UZE

John Siegel wrote:


Scott wrote:
I would have to say yes, since CW has always been allowed on ALL
amateur bands, from the bottom end to the top end of each.

Scott
N0EDV

julian814 wrote:

Now that code has been dropped from the license requirement, what will
happen to the CW frequencies? Will people still be able to use Morse
Code on them?


Ralph Glatt

FYI - THat is no longer 100% true since the spot frequencies on 60M are
USB only.
And 6 and 2 are the only places with CW only bands.

Wonder if A2 operation with USB tone modulated code would be legal on
these bands?

ken scharf wrote:
Wonder if A2 operation with USB tone modulated code would be legal on
these bands?

Probably not. Unless of course, you retitled it "pentature encoded tone
shift digital modulation". Morse code is really 5 different bits of
information, dit, dah, between character space, between letter space,
and a between word/empty space. If you count the space between messages
as a seperate data point, then it becomes hexature encoded.

Bear in mind Morse code was designed to be used in a mechanical punched
tape sending device. It was never meant to be sent or received by hand.
It was just by accident that an operator found out he could copy the message
directly into his head by listening to the sound of the pen.

Vail, not Morse, replaced the tape sender with a hand key, and dropped
the pen from the receiver.

Like "diHydrogen monOxide", it could become popular on the Internet.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

On Feb 16, 2:00?am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
ken scharf wrote:
Wonder if A2 operation with USB tone modulated code would be legal on
these bands?

Bear in mind Morse code was designed to be used in a mechanical punched
tape sending device. It was never meant to be sent or received by hand.
It was just by accident that an operator found out he could copy the message
directly into his head by listening to the sound of the pen.

Ahem...small disagreement there. Morse's original "code" was
all numeric and the receiver was an inked trace on paper tape.

Vail, not Morse, replaced the tape sender with a hand key, and dropped
the pen from the receiver.

Alfred Vail's family was Morse's financial benefactor. The Vail
locomotive works tried to get the ink pen receiver to work
reliably and couldn't. At the same time Morse was having
trouble organizing his all-number "code" to cover enough
English language common phrases. According to the Vail
family website information, Alfred Vail suggested to Morse that
the whole English alphabet should be part of the "code."
Alfred suggested copying the frequency of letters of a printer's
type case as a way to make the most-used characters take
the least time to send.

Eventually, long after the hand key and acoustic "sounder"
were in common use, the ink-printed-on-paper-tape (or drum)
came back for very long circuits such as under-ocean lines.


Like "diHydrogen monOxide", it could become popular on the Internet.

Good stuff! I have a couple glasses of dihydrogen monoxide
every day! :-)

I even shower with it! :-)

wrote:
On Feb 16, 2:00?am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
ken scharf wrote:
Wonder if A2 operation with USB tone modulated code would be legal on
these bands?

Bear in mind Morse code was designed to be used in a mechanical punched
tape sending device. It was never meant to be sent or received by hand.
It was just by accident that an operator found out he could copy the message
directly into his head by listening to the sound of the pen.

Ahem...small disagreement there. Morse's original "code" was
all numeric and the receiver was an inked trace on paper tape.

Vail, not Morse, replaced the tape sender with a hand key, and dropped
the pen from the receiver.

Alfred Vail's family was Morse's financial benefactor. The Vail
locomotive works tried to get the ink pen receiver to work
reliably and couldn't. At the same time Morse was having
trouble organizing his all-number "code" to cover enough
English language common phrases. According to the Vail
family website information, Alfred Vail suggested to Morse that
the whole English alphabet should be part of the "code."
Alfred suggested copying the frequency of letters of a printer's
type case as a way to make the most-used characters take
the least time to send.

Eventually, long after the hand key and acoustic "sounder"
were in common use, the ink-printed-on-paper-tape (or drum)
came back for very long circuits such as under-ocean lines.


Like "diHydrogen monOxide", it could become popular on the Internet.

Good stuff! I have a couple glasses of dihydrogen monoxide
every day! :-)

I even shower with it! :-)




Also the "Morse" code invented by the man of the same name is NOT the
same cypher (it's NOT really a code!) that we hams use over the air. WE
use what's actually called the "international radio telegraph" cypher
(code). True Morse has characters based on dots, dashes, long dashes,
and variable spaces! Also as sent over the land line the operator had
to listen for the gap between clicks NOT the sound of the clicks! Try
that folks!