Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

You give yourself away.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
.....they will think your intentions are less than genuine.
..... unless they see some progress, they will think your intention isn't
genuine
.....otherwise some might think your intentions are less than genuine.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
You give yourself away.

How is that Gareth? Come on, a few published designs of your "biscuits" and
your idea will be up and running. However, if you don't progress the idea it
will wither and die. That would be a waste of a good idea.

I've offered to assist, if you decline that offer and succeed anyway all the
better for you. However, if you don't make this work, then it will reflect
on you and you only.

Get baking ;-)

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"Somebody" wrote in message
...
2. In your original post, you said "Might we all act together to produce
a series of "biscuits" that could then be assembled Lego-like fashion to
produce any rig or test equipment?". This appears to be an admirable
suggestion to help newcomers to electronics and amateur radio, not a call
to arms against a non-existent organisation called the RSCB.

I quite agree, Gareth's idea is an excellent one. I've heard something
similar before (not my idea, someone else's) and it didn't take off. Partly
as there were other constraints which don't apply here but partly as the
originator didn't follow through.


3. You seem to come up with many questions in this newsgroup but sadly
never seem to follow on with helpful solutions. It would be extremely
helpful if you did, so please do as I would be very interested.

I'd also be interested. However, I seems you and I are more keen to progress
the idea than its creator.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Brian Reay wrote:

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...

What you have quoted below is most certainly _NOT_
a support for the proposal. There is no suggestion of what
the biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the standard interfaces
between biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the mechanical
arrangements migth be; no proposals of component sets.

Well Gareth, the idea was yours and I was rather hoping you'd supply, at
some point, those details.

In fact, there has been _NO_ support whatsoever for the
proposal that _WE_ all act together to save Ham Radio
from the predations of the RSCB and other destructive influences.

What has there been?

Why, merely an examination of means whereby the proposer
himself might gain some attention and reflected glory from
the actions of others and to set in place,

I said not very long ago that someone was being set up to take the rap
for the failure of the project, but I had no inkling that it was going
to be over the issue of free web space, and so soon.

It's all your fault, Brian.....according to one person, anyway.
--
from
Aero Spike

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

As intimated by A.N.Other, your sincerity is
called into question.

I proposed a joint effort through Usenet, and outlined
how some of these biscuits might be evolved.

You very quickly turned to uttering personal slights
and have continued relentlessly down your chosen path.

Can a leopard change its spots?

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
I'd also be interested. However, I seems you and I are more keen to
progress the idea than its creator.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
As intimated by A.N.Other, your sincerity is
called into question.

I proposed a joint effort through Usenet, and outlined
how some of these biscuits might be evolved.

You very quickly turned to uttering personal slights
and have continued relentlessly down your chosen path.

Where are these "personal slights"? I offered to help publicise your idea.
I've prepared some space to do so or, if you prefer, I will publicise a link
to a website you can set up yourself.

So come on, "get baking those biscuits" or I suspect some will conclude your
idea was the hardware equivalent of "vapourware".

Brian

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

There's another one at the bottom.

You can't help yourself.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Where are these "personal slights"?


or I suspect some will conclude your idea was the hardware equivalent of
"vapourware".

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"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
There's another one at the bottom.

No Gareth, it was a pointer toward what some may assume.

If you neither accept my offer or publish your ideas elsewhere, who could
blame those who conclude you weren't really behind the idea?

If you don't want to proceed, just say so. Maybe someone else will pick up
the reins and run with it.

Brian



You can't help yourself.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Where are these "personal slights"?


or I suspect some will conclude your idea was the hardware equivalent of
"vapourware".

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Brian Reay wrote:
"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
As intimated by A.N.Other, your sincerity is
called into question.

I proposed a joint effort through Usenet, and outlined
how some of these biscuits might be evolved.

You very quickly turned to uttering personal slights
and have continued relentlessly down your chosen path.

Where are these "personal slights"? I offered to help publicise your idea.
I've prepared some space to do so or, if you prefer, I will publicise a link
to a website you can set up yourself.

So come on, "get baking those biscuits" or I suspect some will conclude your
idea was the hardware equivalent of "vapourware".


After the way you have treated Gareth over the past few years, do you
really think he is going to accept your charity now? You're in cloud
cuckoo cuckoo land if you think he will!

And, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that your sudden change of heart
has some ulterior motive! It's not difficult to get free web space and
if he wanted to continue with this, I'm quite sure he could do it on his
own, and without you constantly harping on trying to score points!


--
ARRL membership = $39 (~£20)
RSGB membership = £44

Don't let them rip you off any more.
Do the right thing, resign from the RSGB today.

The RSGB said Radio Amateurs were a threat to national security!
Is this the type of organisation you want to represent you?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

know code wrote:

Brian Reay wrote:
"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...

I proposed a joint effort through Usenet, and outlined
how some of these biscuits might be evolved.

You very quickly turned to uttering personal slights
and have continued relentlessly down your chosen path.

Where are these "personal slights"? I offered to help publicise your idea.
I've prepared some space to do so or, if you prefer, I will publicise a link
to a website you can set up yourself.

So come on, "get baking those biscuits" or I suspect some will conclude your
idea was the hardware equivalent of "vapourware".

After the way you have treated Gareth over the past few years, do you
really think he is going to accept your charity now? You're in cloud
cuckoo cuckoo land if you think he will!

Gareth's reply to Brian's offer made it clear that he expected far
more than assistance with site hosting, and threw in a personal attack
for good measure, so I suspect your comment is somewhat ill-informed.

Here is the relevant part of Gareth's posting:

I doubt his sincerity, based on his previous emotional
history expressed in this NG, and his contemporaneous
linking up with Mrs.Nugatory in an abusive sub-thread.

What you have quoted below is most certainly _NOT_
a support for the proposal. There is no suggestion of what
the biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the standard interfaces
between biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the mechanical
arrangements migth be; no proposals of component sets.
--
from
Aero Spike

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

There's another one.

I proposed a group activity, and you have contrived
to turn it, repeatedly, into gratuitous personal slurs,
completely unconnected with my proposal.

Shame on you.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...

If you neither accept my offer or publish your ideas elsewhere, who could
blame those who conclude you weren't really behind the idea?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

There's another gratuitous slur.


"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...

If you neither accept my offer or publish your ideas elsewhere, who could
blame those who conclude you weren't really behind the idea?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Spike wrote:
know code wrote:

Brian Reay wrote:
"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
I proposed a joint effort through Usenet, and outlined
how some of these biscuits might be evolved.

You very quickly turned to uttering personal slights
and have continued relentlessly down your chosen path.
Where are these "personal slights"? I offered to help publicise your idea.
I've prepared some space to do so or, if you prefer, I will publicise a link
to a website you can set up yourself.

So come on, "get baking those biscuits" or I suspect some will conclude your
idea was the hardware equivalent of "vapourware".
After the way you have treated Gareth over the past few years, do you
really think he is going to accept your charity now? You're in cloud
cuckoo cuckoo land if you think he will!

Gareth's reply to Brian's offer made it clear that he expected far
more than assistance with site hosting, and threw in a personal attack
for good measure, so I suspect your comment is somewhat ill-informed.

Here is the relevant part of Gareth's posting:

I doubt his sincerity, based on his previous emotional
history expressed in this NG, and his contemporaneous
linking up with Mrs.Nugatory in an abusive sub-thread.

What you have quoted below is most certainly _NOT_
a support for the proposal. There is no suggestion of what
the biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the standard interfaces
between biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the mechanical
arrangements migth be; no proposals of component sets.


Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

NoMoreSpam wrote:

Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!

Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.
--
from
Aero Spike

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Is anybody interested in such a project and prepared
to join with _REALISTIC_ non-nugatory support?

wrote in message ...
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Mr.Nugatory, that is a terrible thing to say about anyone!

Please quote your instances, showing your "offer" in full
together with the "insults" that you say were "hurled"

Perhaps we will find that the so-called "offer" is perhaps
somewhat disingenuous?

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
"know code" wrote in message
...
And, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that your sudden change of heart
has some ulterior motive!
If you look back you will see several instances of my offering assistance
to Gareth that he has rejected or turned into some reason to hurl insults
(recent example his "group up / group down" query).

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Attack on circulation list by someone who wished to
hide corrected.....

wrote in message ...
There's another unwarranted slur!

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
It was Gareth's idea and it is right he should set it rolling although I
fear it has already faultered.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Hacked circualtion list corrected.....

wrote in message ...
There's another unwarranted slur!

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
wrote in message ...
There's another unwarranted slur!
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
It was Gareth's idea and it is right he should set it rolling although
I fear it has already faultered.
Gareth, if you were to have circulated a design then no one could think
the idea had faulted. However, in the absence of a design.............

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

G.A.Evans G4SDW wrote:
Is anybody interested in such a project and prepared
to join with _REALISTIC_ non-nugatory support?

I am sure that many people would be happy to join in the project, once
they see that you are serious about it and have a good idea of the scope
that you intend. Why not sketch out some rough ideas, block diagrams
suggesting which biscuits would be needed initially (ideally I'd guess
some building blocks which could be useful in their own right - e.g.
VFO, amplifiers etc.), together with a proposal for how they should
connect together - some kind of standardised backplane, a connector
stack arrangement similar in concept to PC/104
(http://www.pc104.org/technology/PDF/...ec%20v2_5.pdf), something
different entirely?

What are you really thinking of here? Is it as simple as "every biscuit
shall be either a Xcm * Ycm, or half sized X/2cm * Ycm" and allow free
reign on electrical interfaces, or try to work out some kind of standard
for general interface levels and protocols between biscuits?

How do you envision the project being managed? What kind of
collaboration methods would you use?

The idea is sound, but to spark enthusiasm perhaps you should offer a
little more than "Hey guys, let's build a radio". Collaborative projects
either need a strong lead or a good previous track record of similar
work. Even then take time to get going until people can see where you
are heading and that they agree with it and feel they can be a useful
part of the project. Throw some basics together, put a bit of flesh on
your proposal, and I'm sure you'll get more people interested. It may
well end up being you doing it on your own until the first biscuits are
designed, but then it should gain momentum. Regularly publish what you
are doing and where you are up to; a simple technical report and
ignoring those who would shout you down (or a simple technical response,
not falling down to "stupid boy" name calling) should gain you support.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Spike wrote:
NoMoreSpam wrote:

Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!

Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.

Trying help those people WAS a mistake. They should have been nuked back to the
stone age.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Spike wrote:
NoMoreSpam wrote:


Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!


Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.

Funny, coming from someone in a country that invaded Iraq in WW1, 1941
and basically set up the whole region to become what it is today.

Blame can be cast everywhere, how about casting some solutions for a change?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

I have long suspected that "Smiffy" is the name by which
Mr.Nugatory posts when at school, with carefully checked
spelling to put us all off the scent.

The times of posting by "Smiffy" since appearing last November
are commensurate with that of a school-teacher.

Both the subject matter and also the style of language, (in
particular the condescending manner of an arrogant and
deficient personality), in the below are so similar to that
of Mr.Nugatory, that I am now convinced that "Smiffy" is,
indeed, none other than our very own Mr.Nugatory, M3OSN!

What better way after running away and hiding to sneak
back in under an assumed ID?!

"Smiffy" Smiffy@?.? wrote in message ...
wrote:
Is anybody interested in such a project and prepared
to join with _REALISTIC_ non-nugatory support?

I am sure that many people would be happy to join in the project, once
they see that you are serious about it and have a good idea of the scope
that you intend. Why not sketch out some rough ideas, block diagrams
suggesting which biscuits would be needed initially (ideally I'd guess
some building blocks which could be useful in their own right - e.g.
VFO, amplifiers etc.), together with a proposal for how they should
connect together - some kind of standardised backplane, a connector
stack arrangement similar in concept to PC/104
(http://www.pc104.org/technology/PDF/...ec%20v2_5.pdf), something
different entirely?

What are you really thinking of here? Is it as simple as "every biscuit
shall be either a Xcm * Ycm, or half sized X/2cm * Ycm" and allow free
reign on electrical interfaces, or try to work out some kind of standard
for general interface levels and protocols between biscuits?

How do you envision the project being managed? What kind of
collaboration methods would you use?

The idea is sound, but to spark enthusiasm perhaps you should offer a
little more than "Hey guys, let's build a radio". Collaborative projects
either need a strong lead or a good previous track record of similar
work. Even then take time to get going until people can see where you
are heading and that they agree with it and feel they can be a useful
part of the project. Throw some basics together, put a bit of flesh on
your proposal, and I'm sure you'll get more people interested. It may
well end up being you doing it on your own until the first biscuits are
designed, but then it should gain momentum. Regularly publish what you
are doing and where you are up to; a simple technical report and
ignoring those who would shout you down (or a simple technical response,
not falling down to "stupid boy" name calling) should gain you support.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

G.A.Evans G4SDW wrote:
I have long suspected that "Smiffy" is the name by which
Mr.Nugatory posts when at school, with carefully checked
spelling to put us all off the scent.

I'll take the comment on my spieling chequer as a complement :-)


The times of posting by "Smiffy" since appearing last November
are commensurate with that of a school-teacher.

Both the subject matter and also the style of language, (in
particular the condescending manner of an arrogant and
deficient personality), in the below are so similar to that
of Mr.Nugatory, that I am now convinced that "Smiffy" is,
indeed, none other than our very own Mr.Nugatory, M3OSN!

Sorry, not even close (spatially, politically or employment wise)


What better way after running away and hiding to sneak
back in under an assumed ID?!

I posted a helpful reply, with some useful suggestions and a request for
more information about your technical and project management
expectations. This is _your_ project, how do you envisage it working
technically, how will you raise enthusiasm from volunteers and and how
will the project be run?

Those are serious questions, that anyone interested in collaborating
with you would want an answer to. You are asking for potentially a lot
of investment in time from others, which many would freely give if you
can show that you too have the commitment to follow through. At the
moment I see nothing more than the glimmer of a potentially great idea
from you. Will you drive it forward to a successful conclusion, or will
you let it drop complaining that no-one would help yet rejecting any
suggestions you get?

Why not re-read my words below in a calm manner? They were not written
in any kind of vindictive or spiteful manner, they are purely intended
as constructive suggestions from someone who has worked on many
collaborative projects involving people who live far apart.


"Smiffy" Smiffy@?.? wrote in message ...
wrote:
Is anybody interested in such a project and prepared
to join with _REALISTIC_ non-nugatory support?
I am sure that many people would be happy to join in the project, once
they see that you are serious about it and have a good idea of the scope
that you intend. Why not sketch out some rough ideas, block diagrams
suggesting which biscuits would be needed initially (ideally I'd guess
some building blocks which could be useful in their own right - e.g.
VFO, amplifiers etc.), together with a proposal for how they should
connect together - some kind of standardised backplane, a connector
stack arrangement similar in concept to PC/104
(http://www.pc104.org/technology/PDF/...ec%20v2_5.pdf), something
different entirely?

What are you really thinking of here? Is it as simple as "every biscuit
shall be either a Xcm * Ycm, or half sized X/2cm * Ycm" and allow free
reign on electrical interfaces, or try to work out some kind of standard
for general interface levels and protocols between biscuits?

How do you envision the project being managed? What kind of
collaboration methods would you use?

The idea is sound, but to spark enthusiasm perhaps you should offer a
little more than "Hey guys, let's build a radio". Collaborative projects
either need a strong lead or a good previous track record of similar
work. Even then take time to get going until people can see where you
are heading and that they agree with it and feel they can be a useful
part of the project. Throw some basics together, put a bit of flesh on
your proposal, and I'm sure you'll get more people interested. It may
well end up being you doing it on your own until the first biscuits are
designed, but then it should gain momentum. Regularly publish what you
are doing and where you are up to; a simple technical report and
ignoring those who would shout you down (or a simple technical response,
not falling down to "stupid boy" name calling) should gain you support.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

gwatts wrote:

Spike wrote:

NoMoreSpam wrote:

Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!

Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.

Funny, coming from someone in a country that invaded Iraq in WW1, 1941
and basically set up the whole region to become what it is today.

Blame can be cast everywhere, how about casting some solutions for a change?

How about "Yanks Go Home"?
--
from
Aero Spike

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Spike wrote:
gwatts wrote:


Spike wrote:


NoMoreSpam wrote:


Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!

Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.

Funny, coming from someone in a country that invaded Iraq in WW1, 1941
and basically set up the whole region to become what it is today.

Blame can be cast everywhere, how about casting some solutions for a change?


How about "Yanks Go Home"?

If you examine the polls you'll see most Yanks agree with that
sentiment. Now if we could get your PM on board...

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

gwatts wrote:
Spike wrote:

gwatts wrote:


Spike wrote:


NoMoreSpam wrote:


Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be
an American!


Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.


Funny, coming from someone in a country that invaded Iraq in WW1,
1941 and basically set up the whole region to become what it is today.

Blame can be cast everywhere, how about casting some solutions for a
change?



How about "Yanks Go Home"?


If you examine the polls you'll see most Yanks agree with that
sentiment. Now if we could get your PM on board...

Do we have a PM? Or is he just a grin on a stick?

Dave

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

In message , know code
writes
Brian Reay wrote:

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits"
and publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals
that support the hobby.

So, not RadComic then!


Which 'various journals'? They're gae few, these days. They're aa' deid!
Ian.
--

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:24:09 GMT, gwatts
wrote:

Spike wrote:
NoMoreSpam wrote:


Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!


Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.

Funny, coming from someone in a country that invaded Iraq in WW1, 1941
and basically set up the whole region to become what it is today.


and Granada and Cuba and Diego Garcia, etc etc !!

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Peter wrote:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:24:09 GMT, gwatts
wrote:

Spike wrote:
NoMoreSpam wrote:


Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an American!

Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.
Funny, coming from someone in a country that invaded Iraq in WW1, 1941
and basically set up the whole region to become what it is today.


and Granada and Cuba and Diego Garcia, etc etc !!
========================
It appears there is some digression here ; suggest you stick to the
topic as per the header.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

In message , Spike
writes

NoMoreSpam wrote:

Watching these Brits make asses of themselves makes me proud to be an
American!

Remind me again how democracy is progressing in Iraq.

Yes, and how America runs a democratic election for president :-)
--
Mike Clayton
My prayer to God is a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." God
has granted it. Voltaire (1694-1778)