Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment? This would have a number of benefits,
not the least of which would be the bankrupting
of the cancerous emporia whose off-the-shelf
Cheque-Book (CB) radios are not only discouraging
the homebrew engineering that is the essence
of _REAL_ Ham Radio but also encouraging an
altogether undesirable element to regard
themselves as of our ranks. Once the advertising
income from those dead emporia ceased to flow,
then the national societies might get back
to supporting technical excellence instead
of Complete Bull**** (CB) as they do now?

(And, no, I'm not thinking in terms of the facile
hardware exercises that bring on the disease known
as the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB
Fools' Licence scheme; facile because once a
so-called "licence" has been granted the hardware
diversion is largely forgotten.)

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

On 16 Apr, 11:55, "G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote:


Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment? This would have a number of benefits,


Like LEGO? Well done for realising that currently amateur radio has
done little to interest the under-fives. Maybe it's a whole new market?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

A kind of take over then ? .......

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

More a take-back

"Jim GM4DHJ" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

A kind of take over then ? .......

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, G.A.Evans G4SDW wrote:

I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment?

FWIW (pardon me) but I recognize what you are talking about as "descrete
devices" (i.e. tubes, transistors, resistors, capacitors, etc.).

This would have a number of benefits,
not the least of which would be the bankrupting
of the cancerous emporia whose off-the-shelf
Cheque-Book (CB) radios are not only discouraging
the homebrew engineering that is the essence
of _REAL_ Ham Radio but also encouraging an
altogether undesirable element to regard
themselves as of our ranks.

I think all that store-bought stuff just dumbs-down the brains of people
who would be better off building their own, leanring something, and
sharpening their wits in the process.

Once the advertising
income from those dead emporia ceased to flow,
then the national societies might get back
to supporting technical excellence instead
of Complete Bull**** (CB)

Hey, that's a great acronym for CB (or vice versa)!

as they do now?

(And, no, I'm not thinking in terms of the facile
hardware exercises that bring on the disease known
as the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB
Fools' Licence scheme; facile because once a
so-called "licence" has been granted the hardware
diversion is largely forgotten.)

We've also got too many "keyboard potatoes," too!

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"Jim GM4DHJ" wrote in message
...

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

A kind of take over then ? .......

I would buy the RSGB but I only buy going concerns normally or businesses
that have a clear future.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Gordon Hudson wrote:
"Jim GM4DHJ" wrote in message
...
"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?
A kind of take over then ? .......

I would buy the RSGB but I only buy going concerns normally or businesses
that have a clear future.

Well, you should be able to get the RSGB for about a fiver, so maybe
worth a punt :)


--
ARRL membership = $39 (~£20)
RSGB membership = £44

Don't let them rip you off any more.
Do the right thing, resign from the RSGB today.

The RSGB said Radio Amateurs were a threat to national security!
Is this the type of organisation you want to represent you?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

On 16 Apr, 07:16, Straydog wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, G.A.Evans G4SDW wrote:
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment?

FWIW (pardon me) but I recognize what you are talking about as "descrete
devices" (i.e. tubes, transistors, resistors, capacitors, etc.).

This would have a number of benefits,

not the least of which would be the bankrupting
of the cancerous emporia whose off-the-shelf
Cheque-Book (CB) radios are not only discouraging
the homebrew engineering that is the essence
of _REAL_ Ham Radio but also encouraging an
altogether undesirable element to regard
themselves as of our ranks.

I think all that store-bought stuff just dumbs-down the brains of people
who would be better off building their own, leanring something, and
sharpening their wits in the process.

Once the advertising

income from those dead emporia ceased to flow,
then the national societies might get back
to supporting technical excellence instead
of Complete Bull**** (CB)

Hey, that's a great acronym for CB (or vice versa)!

as they do now?



(And, no, I'm not thinking in terms of the facile
hardware exercises that bring on the disease known
as the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB
Fools' Licence scheme; facile because once a
so-called "licence" has been granted the hardware
diversion is largely forgotten.)

We've also got too many "keyboard potatoes," too!

G4SDW & "Straydog"

There are many groups on the Internet that are devoted to homebrewing
their own ham radio equipment. They run the full gamut of interests
from old valve type equipment to the latest in microprocessors and
microwave component based projects. You are welcome to join and
participate in these groups.

Arv - K7HKL

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment?

A truely excellent idea Gareth.

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits" and
publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals that
support the hobby.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing your first designs.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Brian Reay wrote:

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits" and
publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals that
support the hobby.

So, not RadComic then!

--
ARRL membership = $39 (~£20)
RSGB membership = £44

Don't let them rip you off any more.
Do the right thing, resign from the RSGB today.

The RSGB said Radio Amateurs were a threat to national security!
Is this the type of organisation you want to represent you?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

know code wrote:
Brian Reay wrote:

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits"
and publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals
that support the hobby.

So, not RadComic then!
==============================================
Well,...Eamon Skelton ,EI9GQ is doing exactly that already..in his
HOMEBREW column in ........... RADCOM.

and George Dobbs , G3RJV has a similar column in Practical Wireless.

I am sure G4SDW knows that.


Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

On 16 Apr, 19:45, Highland Ham
wrote:
know code wrote:
Brian Reay wrote:

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits"
and publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals
that support the hobby.

So, not RadComic then!

==============================================
Well,...Eamon Skelton ,EI9GQ is doing exactly that already..in his
HOMEBREW column in ........... RADCOM.

and George Dobbs , G3RJV has a similar column in Practical Wireless.

I am sure G4SDW knows that.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

March's RadCom had a QRP transceiver with just 11 biscuits. None of
the biscuits had E numbers, and only one had silicon.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"Highland Ham" wrote in message
...

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits" and
publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals that
support the hobby.

Well,...Eamon Skelton ,EI9GQ is doing exactly that already..in his
HOMEBREW column in ........... RADCOM.

and George Dobbs , G3RJV has a similar column in Practical Wireless.

I am sure G4SDW knows that.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Maybe he does know it but that doesn't mean the idea is not a good one.
Truely new ideas are few and far between. I've come across it before as a
suggested way to cope with component obsolesce issues in long service life
applications- a chap I used to work with coined the idea of "tokens" (as I
recall). Basically the idea was a library of circuit building blocks that
could be assembled to make a larger circuit. If a particular part could no
longer be obtained, a new "token" could be designed with a defined interface
and functionality.

A sound idea but not an easy project. However, if Gareth can get something
rolling, maybe expanding on Eamon's and/or George's ideas, so much the
better. I'd not knock the idea, quite the converse.

So get rolling Gareth, let us see some of your ideas on the web or in Sprat,
etc.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

On 16 Apr, 21:09, "Brian Reay" wrote:

So get rolling Gareth, let us see some of your ideas on the web or in Sprat,


The seminal book "Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur" (1977) by
Haywood et al had pages of circuit snippets. I also think that PW do
boards for different radio modules. I suppose one might envisage a
sort of mother-board into which modules might be inserted to allow
different designs to be built up? I am not convinced that the idea
will go far though. It is quite easy to breadboard almost anything on
double sided pcb quickly and easily.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"Richard G3CWI" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 16 Apr, 21:09, "Brian Reay" wrote:

So get rolling Gareth, let us see some of your ideas on the web or in
Sprat,


The seminal book "Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur" (1977) by
Haywood et al had pages of circuit snippets. I also think that PW do
boards for different radio modules. I suppose one might envisage a
sort of mother-board into which modules might be inserted to allow
different designs to be built up? I am not convinced that the idea
will go far though. It is quite easy to breadboard almost anything on
double sided pcb quickly and easily.


True but one advantage of the "biscuit" idea is that you can build and test
them one at a time- ideal for beginners who may be put off by a complex "one
lump" project that they lack the experience to fault find etc.

Really, I think Gareth should run with this idea.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

No takers for a joint effort, then?

wrote in message
...
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

I know it now, but as I read neither BadCon
nor Practically Witless on a regular basis, I
was unaware until your post below.

"Highland Ham" wrote in message
...
Well,...Eamon Skelton ,EI9GQ is doing exactly that already..in his
HOMEBREW column in ........... RADCOM.

and George Dobbs , G3RJV has a similar column in Practical Wireless.

I am sure G-4-S-D-W knows that.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
No takers for a joint effort, then?


Not content with being a boozer?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

On 17 Apr, 12:08, "G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote:
No takers for a joint effort, then?

Why don't you start us off with construction details and circuit
diagrams for some of your projects, Gareth?

Maybe the Wimshurst machine and primary cells you keep telling us
about. Or those small pieces of test equipment (possibly the
multimeters and signal
generators)? Then maybe your receivers and transmitters after that?

Here's a link to some free web space: http://geocities.yahoo.com/

73
Mike G4KFK

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Parlez-vous Anglais?

wrote in message
...

the RSGB and indeed Eng herself have had (properly) little to do the
current of of the ARS

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

What I had in mind was a slightly higher level
system view.

So starting at the easy end, we might specify that
the AF amp takes 100mW into 600 Ohms, and
delivers 1W out into 8 Ohms. a biscuit to do that
might take many forms but would all be interchangeable.

If an audio filter were to be included, that would
work in and out at 100mV into 600 Ohms with
0dB gain - and would thus be an optional fit
prior to the AF amp.

I'm not thinking in terms of mother and daughter boards,
but of a set of standard biscuit designs that could then
be assembled into whatever, test eqpt or rig.

Although we'd be using small miniature components (is
anything else readily available these days?) that miniaturisation
does not have to feature in our biscuits necessarily, so
we might have SMDs but spaced out by half-an-inch, or so,
to enable us to work with them.

Setting aside the infantile remarks and attention-seeking
from "the usual suspects", I'm proposing that this be a joint
effort.

"Straydog" wrote in message
x.com...

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment?

FWIW (pardon me) but I recognize what you are talking about as "descrete
devices" (i.e. tubes, transistors, resistors, capacitors, etc.).

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Each biscuit would be a standard size or a multiple
thereof, I'd tentatively suggest 1 1/2" X 2".

Assembly of a transceiver would then consist of
biscuits mounted horizontally. The idea is that we
put HB firmly back on the map as the standard
route into HamRadio, so I'm not after miniaturisation.

Perhaps if we could produce rigs of the size of floor
plan size of the old FT101 we'd be OK for easily
doing our own maintenance....we need to ensure room to
get a soldering iron and a probe in there without fear
of affecting other parts.

For all their simplicity, this spaciousness and room-to-breathe
was something desirable that was lost with the demise
of valve ("tube" to the Yanks) rigs.

wrote in message ...
What I had in mind was a slightly higher level
system view.

So starting at the easy end, we might specify that
the AF amp takes 100mW into 600 Ohms, and
delivers 1W out into 8 Ohms. a biscuit to do that
might take many forms but would all be interchangeable.

If an audio filter were to be included, that would
work in and out at 100mV into 600 Ohms with
0dB gain - and would thus be an optional fit
prior to the AF amp.

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

What I had in mind was a slightly higher level
system view.

So starting at the easy end, we might specify that
the AF amp takes 100mW into 600 Ohms, and
delivers 1W out into 8 Ohms. a biscuit to do that
might take many forms but would all be interchangeable.

If an audio filter were to be included, that would
work in and out at 100mV into 600 Ohms with
0dB gain - and would thus be an optional fit
prior to the AF amp.

I'm not thinking in terms of mother and daughter boards,
but of a set of standard biscuit designs that could then
be assembled into whatever, test eqpt or rig.

Although we'd be using small miniature components (is
anything else readily available these days?) that miniaturisation
does not have to feature in our biscuits necessarily, so
we might have SMDs but spaced out by half-an-inch, or so,
to enable us to work with them.

Setting aside the infantile remarks and attention-seeking
from "the usual suspects", I'm proposing that this be a joint
effort.
=================================
Just for information :
A modular approach to homebrewing (call it biscuit building) is also
very well propagated in the book : Experimental Methods in RF Design ,by
W7ZOI , KK7B and W7PUA. Most modules are built in 'ugly contruction'
style for best possible (RF) stability and low cost .

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

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"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
No takers for a joint effort, then?

Really Gareth, I think this is something you should get going.
Prove your idea is a "goer" and I'm sure others will join in.

Good luck with it.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Brian Reay wrote:

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment?

A truely excellent idea Gareth.

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits" and
publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals that
support the hobby.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing your first designs.

I look forward to seeing the implementation of the design of the first
unit ever to incorporate the Big-K approach to DSP.
--
from
Aero Spike

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"Spike" wrote in message
...

Brian Reay wrote:

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...

Might we all act together to produce a series
of "biscuits" that could then be assembled
Lego-like fashion to produce any rig or test
equipment?

A truely excellent idea Gareth.

Why don't you rough out a plan and design a few of these "biscuits" and
publish them on a website or maybe in one of the various journals that
support the hobby.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing your first designs.

I look forward to seeing the implementation of the design of the first
unit ever to incorporate the Big-K approach to DSP.

To be fair, I'd like to see some of his projects published and will even
offer to host them on a website- with full credit for their design etc.
attributed to Gareth.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

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Brian Reay wrote:

"Spike" wrote in message
.. .

I look forward to seeing the implementation of the design of the first
unit ever to incorporate the Big-K approach to DSP.

To be fair, I'd like to see some of his projects published and will even
offer to host them on a website - with full credit for their design etc.
attributed to Gareth.

Quite so. It's just going to be interesting seeing how certain topics
he's posted on in the past turn out in reality.

A cynic might say that by involving others in the design, the
fall-guys are already being lined up ready for any failure that might
arise.
--
from
Aero Spike

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"Spike" wrote in message
...

Brian Reay wrote:

"Spike" wrote in message
. ..

I look forward to seeing the implementation of the design of the first
unit ever to incorporate the Big-K approach to DSP.

To be fair, I'd like to see some of his projects published and will even
offer to host them on a website - with full credit for their design etc.
attributed to Gareth.

Quite so. It's just going to be interesting seeing how certain topics
he's posted on in the past turn out in reality.

A cynic might say that by involving others in the design, the
fall-guys are already being lined up ready for any failure that might
arise.

Well, if he comes up with some designs he is vindicated. If the biscuits
turn out to never to be at least half baked then you are vindicated.

He has suggested the idea, I've supported it and offered to host the designs
the ball is now in his court.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

Brian Reay wrote:

"Spike" wrote in message
.. .

Brian Reay wrote:

"Spike" wrote in message
...

I look forward to seeing the implementation of the design of the first
unit ever to incorporate the Big-K approach to DSP.

To be fair, I'd like to see some of his projects published and will even
offer to host them on a website - with full credit for their design etc.
attributed to Gareth.

Quite so. It's just going to be interesting seeing how certain topics
he's posted on in the past turn out in reality.

A cynic might say that by involving others in the design, the
fall-guys are already being lined up ready for any failure that might
arise.

Well, if he comes up with some designs he is vindicated. If the biscuits
turn out to never to be at least half baked then you are vindicated.

He has suggested the idea, I've supported it and offered to host the designs
the ball is now in his court.

Well, I still recall the FT-707 that was bought in order to implement
a DSP CW transceiver for 136 kHz.

It fell at the first hurdle as it wouldn't work on CW.

Despite receiving helpful suggestions via this medium, Gareth never
saw them due to 'an ISP failure'; and nothing more has been heard of
the project - at least on here.

--
from
Aero Spike

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

One notorious attention seeker has milked the suggestion
for everything he could get out of it, and has offered no
support for the proposal at all, but is claiming that he has.

Not a difficult guess to name the culprit, I think!

wrote in message ...
No takers for a joint effort, then?

wrote in message
...
I wonder if we who are the Usenet-frequenting Radio
Hams might somehow get together to sort out the
dreadful mess that has been created in no small
part by the self-interest of those who control
the RSCB?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
One notorious attention seeker has milked the suggestion
for everything he could get out of it, and has offered no
support for the proposal at all, but is claiming that he has.

Gareth, you must have missed my post that offered to host your designs on a
website, with fully credit to you for the idea and your work.

Please, do some of your designs and I will gladly host them until you have
your own website. OR, set up your own website and I will ensure that it is
circulated to those who may be interested.

Get those biscuits baking!

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

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"Brian Reay" wrote:

Good luck and I look forward to seeing your first designs.

said ex-m3-its as easy as they say-osn

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Spike wrote:

I look forward to seeing the implementation of the design of the first
unit ever to incorporate the Big-K approach to DSP.


eh up..its spreading !

now brian ol' boy.... tell your buddie to GROW UP for mentioning BIG K

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

I doubt his sincerity, based on his previous emotional
history expressed in this NG, and his contemporaneous
linking up with Mrs.Nugatory in an abusive sub-thread.

What you have quoted below is most certainly _NOT_
a support for the proposal. There is no suggestion of what
the biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the standard interfaces
between biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the mechanical
arrangements migth be; no proposals of component sets.

In fact, there has been _NO_ support whatsoever for the
proposal that _WE_ all act together to save Ham Radio
from the predations of the RSCB and other destructive influences.

What has there been?

Why, merely an examination of means whereby the proposer
himself might gain some attention and reflected glory from
the actions of others and to set in place, perhaps, the
groundwork for a campaign of further abuse, as is his wont.

Web-sites? SPRAT? This is merely stating the bleeding
obvious and as a claim for having supported the proposal
it is _NUGATORY_ in the extreme.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:56:45 GMT, "Brian Reay"
wrote:

Gareth, you must have missed my post that offered to host your designs on
a
website, with fully credit to you for the idea and your work.

It's probably just an oversight, Brian.
I'm sure there's no suggestion of anybody doubting your sincerity.

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On 18 Apr, 07:55, "G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote:
. There is no suggestion of what
the biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the standard interfaces
between biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the mechanical
arrangements migth be; no proposals of component sets.

I thought this was *YOUR* proposal Gareth?

Are you saying that you had this flash of inspiration, but that it's
somebody else's job (the RSGB's?) to do all the work?

73
Mike G4KFK

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Mrs. Nugatory's lashing out in an infantile temper
tantrum now that she has been bested!

Any doubts that she's an anonymous cowardly poison-pen?

None, I think.

Now, Mrs. Nugatory, instead of displaying negative and
destructive tirades against me, why not discuss some of your
own projects and project ideas over the years? It is of course
extremely easy, some might say cowardly, to pick on someone
who has discussed ideas and possibilities over the years in an
attempt to promote the _REAL_ in _REAL_ Ham Radio, and
this picking-on is what you do. However, I think it more appropriate in a NG
for us all to contribute positively to promote the technical pursuit.

Go on! Dry your tears" You _CAN_ be a grown-up if you really try!

"Spike" wrote in message
...
"Spike" wrote in message
.. .
"Spike" wrote in message
.. .
I look forward to seeing the implementation of the design of the first
unit ever to incorporate the Big-K approach to DSP.
Quite so. It's just going to be interesting seeing how certain topics
he's posted on in the past turn out in reality.
A cynic might say that by involving others in the design, the
fall-guys are already being lined up ready for any failure that might
arise.
Well, I still recall the FT-707 that was bought in order to implement
a DSP CW transceiver for 136 kHz.
It fell at the first hurdle as it wouldn't work on CW.
Despite receiving helpful suggestions via this medium, Gareth never
saw them due to 'an ISP failure'; and nothing more has been heard of
the project - at least on here.

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"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...

What you have quoted below is most certainly _NOT_
a support for the proposal. There is no suggestion of what
the biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the standard interfaces
between biscuits might be; no suggestion of what the mechanical
arrangements migth be; no proposals of component sets.

Well Gareth, the idea was yours and I was rather hoping you'd supply, at
some point, those details.

In fact, there has been _NO_ support whatsoever for the
proposal that _WE_ all act together to save Ham Radio
from the predations of the RSCB and other destructive influences.

What has there been?

Why, merely an examination of means whereby the proposer
himself might gain some attention and reflected glory from
the actions of others and to set in place,

Not really, if you'd prefer to "do" your own website, please do. I'll just
promote you work via a link etc. I read SPRAT and will happily buy PW if
you get published there.

perhaps, the
groundwork for a campaign of further abuse, as is his wont.

How does that work then? All I'm suggesting is support for your idea- which
I really do think is a good one. I'm happy to promote it but you will need
some more " flesh on the bones". Now, if you idea doesn't take off because
you don't publish your ideas, whose fault it that?

Web-sites? SPRAT? This is merely stating the bleeding
obvious and as a claim for having supported the proposal
it is _NUGATORY_ in the extreme.

Well, so far we've had the initial idea (which is a good one), an offer of
some "promotion", and little else from you. I'd hate to see this idea die
so common on, where is your material?

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

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You're missing the point of my suggestion, and no doubt
being deliberately perverse, which was that we should
all act together in such a scheme to counteract the
damage that the RSCB is doing.

The first move for a joint approach is to canvass for
support.

Interesting that you of all people should be trying to
make it seem that you are supporting this campaign against
the RSCB, is it not?

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...

Well, so far we've had the initial idea (which is a good one), an offer of
some "promotion", and little else from you. I'd hate to see this idea die
so common on, where is your material?

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"G.A.Evans G4SDW" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point of my suggestion, and no doubt
being deliberately perverse, which was that we should
all act together in such a scheme

And I've done a bit, maybe you can now do a bit. I admit no one else seems
to be rushing to help but, unless they see some progress, they will think
your intentions are less than genuine. The best way to tackle this is for
your to provide some more "flesh on the bones".


The first move for a joint approach is to canvass for
support.

No one else seems to be rushing to help but, unless they see some progress,
they will think your intention isn't genuine. Conversely, if you provide
some more "flesh on the bones", then people are more likely to support the
project.

Interesting that you of all people should be trying to
make it seem that you are supporting this campaign against
the RSCB, is it not?

Who are the RSCB? I don't see this "campaign" as being against anyone. I do
see your idea as a vehicle to promote home construction etc. so I am happy
to support it.

So, where are those ideas? If you'd rather I didn't promote your work via my
website just say so and "do your own thing". However, having sown the idea,
you need to build on it ASAP- otherwise some might think your intentions are
less than genuine.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

Now your amateur licence is free, why not send at least £15 per year to
support the
Radio Communications Foundation or STELAR?

Putting the Ham back into Ham Radio?
 

G.A.Evans G4SDW wrote:
You're missing the point of my suggestion, and no doubt
being deliberately perverse, which was that we should
all act together in such a scheme to counteract the
damage that the RSCB is doing.

The first move for a joint approach is to canvass for
support.

Interesting that you of all people should be trying to
make it seem that you are supporting this campaign against
the RSCB, is it not?

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Well, so far we've had the initial idea (which is a good one), an offer of
some "promotion", and little else from you. I'd hate to see this idea die
so common on, where is your material?



A couple of points should be made he

1. There is no such thing as the RSCB.

2. In your original post, you said "Might we all act together to produce
a series of "biscuits" that could then be assembled Lego-like fashion to
produce any rig or test equipment?". This appears to be an admirable
suggestion to help newcomers to electronics and amateur radio, not a
call to arms against a non-existent organisation called the RSCB.

3. You seem to come up with many questions in this newsgroup but sadly
never seem to follow on with helpful solutions. It would be extremely
helpful if you did, so please do as I would be very interested.

Thank you Mr. Evans.