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microwave oven inverter P.S. revisited
finally came across an article by VK3HZ that describes how to make a
microwave oven inverter PS work, as a stand alone supply. the link is: www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf It's only regulated from the primary side. And you can make it put out anything from 2000 to 4000 VDC. but at 1300 watts. So all I have to do is load down the primary to fake out the regulator into seeing 1300 watts, Or run class A. The output or the input still has to be filtered There's an opto coupler that has to see a 110hz square wave, according to VK3HZ, that'll keep the supply running full tilt as long as there is power supplied to the inverter. 73 n8zu |
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microwave oven inverter P.S. revisited
On Aug 27, 12:40*pm, raypsi wrote:
finally came across an article by VK3HZ that describes how to make a microwave oven inverter PS work, as a stand alone supply. the link is:www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf It's only regulated from the primary side. And you can make it put out anything from 2000 to 4000 VDC. but at 1300 watts. So all I have to do is load down the primary to fake out the regulator into seeing 1300 watts, Or run class A. The output or the input still has to be filtered There's an opto coupler that has to see a 110hz square wave, according to VK3HZ, that'll keep the supply running full tilt as long as there is power supplied to the inverter. 73 n8zu If the circuit can be driven from 555 osc perhaps the pulse width can be controlled from a feedback voltage taken off the output of the power supply. I am thinking adding a small winding to the transformer rectifying and filtering it and supplying this back to control the pulse width of your osc. JImmie |
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On Aug 28, 4:02*pm, wrote:
On Aug 27, 12:40*pm, raypsi wrote: finally came across an article by VK3HZ that describes how to make a microwave oven inverter PS work, as a stand alone supply. the link is:www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf It's only regulated from the primary side. And you can make it put out anything from 2000 to 4000 VDC. but at 1300 watts. So all I have to do is load down the primary to fake out the regulator into seeing 1300 watts, Or run class A. The output or the input still has to be filtered There's an opto coupler that has to see a 110hz square wave, according to VK3HZ, that'll keep the supply running full tilt as long as there is power supplied to the inverter. 73 n8zu If the circuit can be driven from 555 osc perhaps the pulse width can be controlled from a feedback voltage taken off the output of the power supply. I am thinking adding a small winding to the transformer rectifying and filtering it and supplying this back to control the pulse width of your osc. JImmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I was the OP of the origonal thread about the inverter power supplies. I was actually more interested in learning about the design of the power supplies so I could possibly build one from scratch. With the right information this may be easier to do than to modify one from a microwave oven. I am very grateful for the information. I have a couple of the Panasonic power supplies unfortunately they dont work but maybe I can repair them now that I have a schematic. Information on the transformer would be a good thing to have as I am sure it could be optimized for the desired output voltage and current needed for an amateur amplifier. With the current transformer on the front end I am guessing this may be the feedback path for regulation. That is to say the power supply is being controlled by the amount of current that is being drawn on the input side of the power supply. If this is the case maybe this input can be taken of the out put of the power supply and then the supply could be voltage regulated instead of being power regulated. Jimmie |
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microwave oven inverter P.S. revisited
On Aug 28, 8:39*pm, wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:02*pm, wrote: On Aug 27, 12:40*pm, raypsi wrote: finally came across an article by VK3HZ that describes how to make a microwave oven inverter PS work, as a stand alone supply. the link is:www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf It's only regulated from the primary side. And you can make it put out anything from 2000 to 4000 VDC. but at 1300 watts. So all I have to do is load down the primary to fake out the regulator into seeing 1300 watts, Or run class A. The output or the input still has to be filtered There's an opto coupler that has to see a 110hz square wave, according to VK3HZ, that'll keep the supply running full tilt as long as there is power supplied to the inverter. 73 n8zu If the circuit can be driven from 555 osc perhaps the pulse width can be controlled from a feedback voltage taken off the output of the power supply. I am thinking adding a small winding to the transformer rectifying and filtering it and supplying this back to control the pulse width of your osc. JImmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I was the OP of the origonal thread about the inverter power supplies. I was actually more interested in learning about the design of the power supplies so I could possibly build one from scratch. With the right information this may be easier to do than to modify one from a microwave oven. I am very grateful for the information. I have a couple of the Panasonic power supplies unfortunately they dont work but maybe I can repair them now that I have a schematic. Information on the transformer would be a good thing to have as I am sure it could be optimized for the desired output voltage and current needed for an amateur amplifier. With the current transformer on the front end I am guessing this may be the feedback path for regulation. That is to say the power supply is being controlled by the amount of current that is being drawn on the input side of the power supply. If this is the case maybe this input can be taken of the out put of the power supply and then the supply could be voltage regulated instead of being power regulated. Jimmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey Jimmie I suppose that you could use the duty cycle feature of this supply to control the output but I'd need a bank of 450WVDC caps to supply filtering. So say the power of the amp drops: the supply will compensate by increasing the voltage But with feedback I could drop the duty cycle thru the opto coupled input. Thus causing a drop in voltage which the filter would handle. By running the inverter at another lower duty cycle I can control the output voltage. I would suggest at least a bank of 16, 450WVDC for a little head room. Plus that would take out the 120 cycle ripple. 73 n8zu |
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microwave oven inverter P.S. revisited
On Sep 1, 7:48*pm, raypsi wrote:
On Aug 28, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Aug 28, 4:02*pm, wrote: On Aug 27, 12:40*pm, raypsi wrote: finally came across an article by VK3HZ that describes how to make a microwave oven inverter PS work, as a stand alone supply. the link is:www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf It's only regulated from the primary side. And you can make it put out anything from 2000 to 4000 VDC. but at 1300 watts. So all I have to do is load down the primary to fake out the regulator into seeing 1300 watts, Or run class A. The output or the input still has to be filtered There's an opto coupler that has to see a 110hz square wave, according to VK3HZ, that'll keep the supply running full tilt as long as there is power supplied to the inverter. 73 n8zu If the circuit can be driven from 555 osc perhaps the pulse width can be controlled from a feedback voltage taken off the output of the power supply. I am thinking adding a small winding to the transformer rectifying and filtering it and supplying this back to control the pulse width of your osc. JImmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I was the OP of the origonal thread about the inverter power supplies. I was actually more interested in learning about the design of the power supplies so I could possibly build one from scratch. With the right information this may be easier to do than to modify one from a microwave oven. I am very grateful for the information. I have a couple of the Panasonic power supplies unfortunately they dont work but maybe I can repair them now that I have a schematic. Information on the transformer would be a good thing to have as I am sure it could be optimized for the desired output voltage and current needed for an amateur amplifier. With the current transformer on the front end I am guessing this may be the feedback path for regulation. That is to say the power supply is being controlled by the amount of current that is being drawn on the input side of the power supply. If this is the case maybe this input can be taken of the out put of the power supply and then the supply could be voltage regulated instead of being power regulated. Jimmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey Jimmie I suppose *that you could use the duty cycle feature of this supply to control the output but I'd need a bank of 450WVDC caps to supply filtering. So say the power of the amp drops: the supply will compensate by increasing the voltage. .. But with feedback I could drop the duty cycle thru the opto coupled input. Thus causing a drop in voltage which the filter would handle. By running the inverter at another lower duty cycle I can control the output voltage. I would suggest at least a bank of 16, 450WVDC for a little head room. Plus that would take out the 120 cycle ripple. 73 n8zu- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thats pretty much my idea. In radars something very similar to develop 6KV to charge the PFN. If you could analyze the circuit where the current sample is picked off the AC mains that would tell us a lot about what would be needed to develop the proper feedback signal off of the switching transformer. Unfortunately I am without power supply at the moment. Well I have one but my wife has forbid me to touch it. That is her primary cooking device As Dave idicated the rectifiers for the output of the pwer supply are configured as a doubler and it could be configured as a bridge if you wanted lower voltage. I am thinking maybe( a lot of supposig here) this thing may be configured from 1500 to nearly 5kv by using a combination af feedback adjustment and rectifier configuration. I agree with about the caps, I emailed Dave and he pretty much agrees with my idea at least in theory but he has dropped the project at least for now. didnt you say you had a source for these power supplies. Anyone who gets this to work would surely have some serious ham radio bragging rights. Jimmie |
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microwave oven inverter P.S. revisited
On Sep 1, 9:57*pm, wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:48*pm, raypsi wrote: On Aug 28, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Aug 28, 4:02*pm, wrote: On Aug 27, 12:40*pm, raypsi wrote: finally came across an article by VK3HZ that describes how to make a microwave oven inverter PS work, as a stand alone supply. the link is:www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf It's only regulated from the primary side. And you can make it put out anything from 2000 to 4000 VDC. but at 1300 watts. So all I have to do is load down the primary to fake out the regulator into seeing 1300 watts, Or run class A. The output or the input still has to be filtered There's an opto coupler that has to see a 110hz square wave, according to VK3HZ, that'll keep the supply running full tilt as long as there is power supplied to the inverter. 73 n8zu If the circuit can be driven from 555 osc perhaps the pulse width can be controlled from a feedback voltage taken off the output of the power supply. I am thinking adding a small winding to the transformer rectifying and filtering it and supplying this back to control the pulse width of your osc. JImmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I was the OP of the origonal thread about the inverter power supplies.. I was actually more interested in learning about the design of the power supplies so I could possibly build one from scratch. With the right information this may be easier to do than to modify one from a microwave oven. I am very grateful for the information. I have a couple of the Panasonic power supplies unfortunately they dont work but maybe I can repair them now that I have a schematic. Information on the transformer would be a good thing to have as I am sure it could be optimized for the desired output voltage and current needed for an amateur amplifier. With the current transformer on the front end I am guessing this may be the feedback path for regulation. That is to say the power supply is being controlled by the amount of current that is being drawn on the input side of the power supply. If this is the case maybe this input can be taken of the out put of the power supply and then the supply could be voltage regulated instead of being power regulated. Jimmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey Jimmie I suppose *that you could use the duty cycle feature of this supply to control the output but I'd need a bank of 450WVDC caps to supply filtering. So say the power of the amp drops: the supply will compensate by increasing the voltage. . But with feedback I could drop the duty cycle thru the opto coupled input. Thus causing a drop in voltage which the filter would handle. By running the inverter at another lower duty cycle I can control the output voltage. I would suggest at least a bank of 16, 450WVDC for a little head room. Plus that would take out the 120 cycle ripple. 73 n8zu- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thats pretty much my idea. In radars something very similar to develop 6KV to charge the PFN. If you could analyze the circuit where the current sample is picked off the AC mains that would tell us a lot about what would be needed to develop the proper feedback signal off of the switching transformer. Unfortunately I am without power supply at the moment. Well I have one but my wife has forbid me to touch it. That is her primary cooking device As Dave idicated the rectifiers for the output of the pwer supply are configured as a doubler and it could be configured as a bridge if you wanted lower voltage. I am thinking maybe( a lot of supposig here) this thing may be configured from 1500 to nearly 5kv by using a combination af feedback adjustment and rectifier configuration. I agree with about the caps, I emailed Dave and he pretty much agrees with my idea at least in theory but he has dropped the project at least for now. didnt you say you had a source for these power supplies. Anyone who gets this to work would surely have some serious ham radio bragging rights. Jimmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have found some better schematics on the inverter. It looks like modifying the power supply for amateur QRO is very plausable. Where could I post them so anyone who wanted them would have access? Jimme |
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microwave oven inverter P.S. revisited
On Sep 1, 7:48*pm, raypsi wrote:
On Aug 28, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Aug 28, 4:02*pm, wrote: On Aug 27, 12:40*pm, raypsi wrote: finally came across an article by VK3HZ that describes how to make a microwave oven inverter PS work, as a stand alone supply. the link is:www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf It's only regulated from the primary side. And you can make it put out anything from 2000 to 4000 VDC. but at 1300 watts. So all I have to do is load down the primary to fake out the regulator into seeing 1300 watts, Or run class A. The output or the input still has to be filtered There's an opto coupler that has to see a 110hz square wave, according to VK3HZ, that'll keep the supply running full tilt as long as there is power supplied to the inverter. 73 n8zu If the circuit can be driven from 555 osc perhaps the pulse width can be controlled from a feedback voltage taken off the output of the power supply. I am thinking adding a small winding to the transformer rectifying and filtering it and supplying this back to control the pulse width of your osc. JImmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I was the OP of the origonal thread about the inverter power supplies. I was actually more interested in learning about the design of the power supplies so I could possibly build one from scratch. With the right information this may be easier to do than to modify one from a microwave oven. I am very grateful for the information. I have a couple of the Panasonic power supplies unfortunately they dont work but maybe I can repair them now that I have a schematic. Information on the transformer would be a good thing to have as I am sure it could be optimized for the desired output voltage and current needed for an amateur amplifier. With the current transformer on the front end I am guessing this may be the feedback path for regulation. That is to say the power supply is being controlled by the amount of current that is being drawn on the input side of the power supply. If this is the case maybe this input can be taken of the out put of the power supply and then the supply could be voltage regulated instead of being power regulated. Jimmie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey Jimmie I suppose *that you could use the duty cycle feature of this supply to control the output but I'd need a bank of 450WVDC caps to supply filtering. So say the power of the amp drops: the supply will compensate by increasing the voltage But with feedback I could drop the duty cycle thru the opto coupled input. Thus causing a drop in voltage which the filter would handle. By running the inverter at another lower duty cycle I can control the output voltage. I would suggest at least a bank of 16, 450WVDC for a little head room. Plus that would take out the 120 cycle ripple. 73 n8zu- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The mains rectifier could use some filtering too. Im thinking using the caps out of some old PC power supplies Jimmie |
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