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On 03 Jul 2010 18:32:59 GMT, Rob wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
(95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:

If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write

Richard-

Is it the OS, or is it the font?

I see a 95 character that may be different from what you see. What font
are you using?

His postings do not specify the character set he is using.
Probably it is Windows-1252.

Most likely, if that code was supposed to represent a bullet.

A more standard character set leaves the
character 95 undefined.

Codes 80..9F hex and U+0080 .. U+009F belong to the C1 control area in
many standards (ISO 8859 and Unicode) and 95h represents "Message
Waiting" control code.

While I have used C1 controls to control terminals, I do not recall
that I would have used MW :-).

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In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:

The character 95 you seem to be fond of is not part of the character
set you use for your news postings.

** I did not send 95. I use a UNIX-based operating system. If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write Rob. cheers

I am using Linux. But I guess that does not count as a UNIX based OS.

** I don't know Rob. I am using Apple's 10.4 OS.

Check what is in your fullname config setting.

** I am not using an OS with such a setting in the system prefs.

There is a character
with hex value 95 there. But you don't have the matching character set
header that is supposed to tell what that character should mean.

(without a character set header, the default character set is 7-bit ASCII
which does not include 95)

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

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In article , Fred
McKenzie wrote:

In article ,
(• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write

Richard-

Is it the OS, or is it the font?

I see a • character

• Correct Fred.

that may be different from what you see. What font
are you using?

Fred
K4DII

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

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In article , Paul Keinanen
wrote:

On 03 Jul 2010 18:32:59 GMT, Rob wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
(95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:

If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write

Richard-

Is it the OS, or is it the font?

I see a 95 character that may be different from what you see. What font
are you using?

His postings do not specify the character set he is using.
Probably it is Windows-1252.

Most likely, if that code was supposed to represent a bullet.

• The bullet charcter on Apple's 10.4 OS is option-8 €
Shift-option k is •

A more standard character set leaves the
character 95 undefined.

Codes 80..9F hex and U+0080 .. U+009F belong to the C1 control area in
many standards (ISO 8859 and Unicode) and 95h represents "Message
Waiting" control code.

While I have used C1 controls to control terminals, I do not recall
that I would have used MW :-).


--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

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In article ,
(• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

I see a • character

• Correct Fred.

Then it IS the font, even though you don't know what I see!

I've had problems with "high ASCII" characters over the years. One that
caused problems was Microsoft's use of such a character for the 1/2
fraction, which appears as an Omega symbol (‡) on my screen. Until I
realized what was happening, some Word documents didn't make sense.
Fortunately, newer versions of Word for Mac fixed the problem.

I think the point others were trying to make, is that your use of the
95 (•) character looks bad when viewed by many people. It isn't a
Unix character, it is a Macintosh font character that was in use before
OS X came on the scene.

Fred
K4DII

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95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:

The character 95 you seem to be fond of is not part of the character
set you use for your news postings.

** I did not send 95. I use a UNIX-based operating system. If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write Rob. cheers

I am using Linux. But I guess that does not count as a UNIX based OS.

** I don't know Rob. I am using Apple's 10.4 OS.

It doesn't matter anyway.
The OS has nothing to do with this.
Your news program is broken, or does not expect the use you make of it.

As your news program does not tell what character set you use, you should
limit your characters to the 00-7F range.

Check what is in your fullname config setting.

** I am not using an OS with such a setting in the system prefs.

Probably it is in your news program.
Somewhere you have set that your name, "95 R. L. Measures.", has to
appear above your news postings.
When you change that to "R. L. Measures" all trouble is gone.

And don't insert that character in replies either.

There is a character
with hex value 95 there. But you don't have the matching character set
header that is supposed to tell what that character should mean.

(without a character set header, the default character set is 7-bit ASCII
which does not include 95)

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95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
In article , Paul Keinanen
wrote:

On 03 Jul 2010 18:32:59 GMT, Rob wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
(95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:

If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write

Richard-

Is it the OS, or is it the font?

I see a 95 character that may be different from what you see. What font
are you using?

His postings do not specify the character set he is using.
Probably it is Windows-1252.

Most likely, if that code was supposed to represent a bullet.

95 The bullet charcter on Apple's 10.4 OS is option-8 80
Shift-option k is 95

You apparently don't understand that what you see on your screen is
not what others see on their screen!

What do you see when you hit Shift-option k?
Don't just hit the keys, but explain what you see on the screen.

Also, check if you can set the news program to use a standard character
set, like ISO-8859-1 or Unicode UTF-8.

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In article , Fred
McKenzie wrote:

In article ,
(• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

I see a • character

• Correct Fred.

Then it IS the font, even though you don't know what I see!

I've had problems with "high ASCII" characters over the years. One that
caused problems was Microsoft's use of such a character for the 1/2
fraction, which appears as an Omega symbol (‡) on my screen. Until I
realized what was happening, some Word documents didn't make sense.
Fortunately, newer versions of Word for Mac fixed the problem.

I think the point others were trying to make, is that your use of the
95 (•) character looks bad when viewed by many people. It isn't a
Unix character, it is a Macintosh font character that was in use before
OS X came on the scene.

** thanks Fred. Windows users also have with the ohms character I use.

Fred
K4DII

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

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In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:

The character 95 you seem to be fond of is not part of the character
set you use for your news postings.

** I did not send 95. I use a UNIX-based operating system. If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write Rob. cheers

I am using Linux. But I guess that does not count as a UNIX based OS.

** I don't know Rob. I am using Apple's 10.4 OS.

It doesn't matter anyway.
The OS has nothing to do with this.
Your news program is broken, or does not expect the use you make of it.

** this Newsreader app is designed for Apple's OS10.4.

As your news program does not tell what character set you use, you should
limit your characters to the 00-7F range.

Check what is in your fullname config setting.

** I am not using an OS with such a setting in the system prefs.

Probably it is in your news program.

** I don't see fullname anything in Newswatcher 2.2 3b2 Peferences.

Somewhere you have set that your name, "95 R. L. Measures.", has to
appear above your news postings.
When you change that to "R. L. Measures" all trouble is gone.


And don't insert that character in replies either.

** About a third of the denizens in the Newsgroups I frequent have no
trouble seeing the bullet character (option 8) and the bitten apple
character (shift-option k).


cheers Rob

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

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In article , Rob
wrote:

95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
In article , Paul Keinanen
wrote:

On 03 Jul 2010 18:32:59 GMT, Rob wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
(95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:

If you
were using a UNIX based OS you would see what I actually write

Richard-

Is it the OS, or is it the font?

I see a 95 character that may be different from what you see.
What font
are you using?

His postings do not specify the character set he is using.
Probably it is Windows-1252.

Most likely, if that code was supposed to represent a bullet.

95 The bullet charcter on Apple's 10.4 OS is option-8 80
Shift-option k is 95

You apparently don't understand that what you see on your screen is
not what others see on their screen!

What do you see when you hit Shift-option k?

** a bitten apple

........

Also, check if you can set the news program to use a standard character
set, like ISO-8859-1 or Unicode UTF-8.

** Newswatcher X 2.2 is designed for Mac OS 10

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org