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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:55:23 -0700, lw1ecp wrote:
Hi!. I want to tie a ~40MHz VCO to a frequency stabiliser. A PIC measures initial f and then makes corrections. Resolution is 10Hz. The PIC count is shown on a LCD module. The VCO is a classical JFET Hartley. Gate: 100k and 1N4148 to GND, 100pF to LC end. Source: to 25% tap. After warmup, the tens of Hz show an acceptable jitter of +/-10Hz most of the times. But suddenly I witness a BAD worsening, the tens become mad and even the hundreds are affected by jitter. This can last several minutes. I go for a walk, come back, and peace reigns again. I read about flicker (1/f, Random Telegraph) noise, but this behavior is strange. I made sure Vdd is clean, there are no cellphones or other wireless devices around, there are no creeping surface currents because I used "ugly construction" in the air. Replacing the varicap/varactor with a fixed C made no difference. This improved somewhat by connecting the gate directly to the hot end with no R nor diode, and inserting a parallel 1kohm/1nF in series with the source, in order to provide low-frequency degeneration. I made sure the level at the PIC input is ample. A 43MHz xtal oscillator gives always rock-steady reading. - Is there a name for this "intermittent-1/f" noise?. - Has anyboy had succes in reducing it?. - Off topic (not radio): how can a PC read the values from the PIC to the LCD?. E. g. via parallel port, with some code written in ASM, and booting in DOS to keep Windows out of the way. Many thanks!. Daniel LW1ECP You mentioned cell phones and other wireless devices. How about police cars or other radio equipped vehicles driving by? What about other sources of RFI (TV sets, light dimmers, power tools, etc.)? Since you used "ugly construction", I assume that your device isn't shielded. Put it in a cardboard box wrapped in aluminum foil. Ground the foil to the circuit and filter all the wires going in and out. If done carefully, this may point to the source of your problem. Or, maybe not. I was once called on to find the cause of low frequency noise in a large instrument that was being developed. The noise would come and go. I spent several days without much luck until I decided to put the preamp in a box to shield it from the room lights (some transistors, ICs, and diodes are light sensitive). The noise went away. But removing the box and turning off the lights didn't make it go away. Then I noticed that the noise appeared only when the air conditioning fan came on. Since putting it in a cardboard box made the noise disappear, it couldn't have been an electrical problem. I visually examined the board and found that the designer had used Z5U capacitors in a filter circuit. Replacing these with (much larger, requiring a new board layout) polyester capacitors solved the problem. The explanation: Z5U capacitors are sensitive to just about everything. They change value with temperature, voltage, and frequency. They are also piezoelectric. In this case, it was the piezoelectric effect. The capacitors were picking up the air pressure changes caused by the air conditioning and injecting stray voltages into the circuit. Not all ceramic capacitors are like this. The C0G types are among the best capacitors that are readily available. X7R types are intermediate. Z5U capacitors are excellent for power supply bypassing but not much else. -- Jim Mueller To get my real email address, replace wrongname with dadoheadman. Then replace nospam with fastmail. Lastly, replace com with us. |
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