On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:42:31 -0400, rickman wrote:


I thought s.e.d was bad but you guys are on a roll. Can you both just
stop the nonsense for a while maybe?

How very dare you! Gareth is a polymath! He does *_Not_* post "nonsense"!

"rickman" wrote in message
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On 7/20/2014 3:31 PM, gareth wrote:
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gareth;822016 Wrote:
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gareth;821995 Wrote:-
A straight Morse key has a fulcrum away from you, but your wrist
articulates in front of the key, in a mirror image of that of the key.
Therefore, your wrist is constrained to follow an unnatural arc
when keying.
Have there been any mechanical designs published so that the
keying arc is in the same sense as the wrist arc?
(cf. Watts' parallel motion, perhaps?)-
How about keeping the key turned 180° (facing away from you)?!
That thought did occur to me in bed last night. The main difficulty
would be
in needing a special-purpose table with an indentation...............by
having a
downward right angle bend for the paddles, you keyed
horizontally.
Hi OM Gareth.
Or the key should be below the table-top with only the knob projecting
out!
Yes, the knob protrudes, but the skirt of the knob is flush.

I can't see how the arc of the key is important.

Then you have not grasped the point of the discussion.

On 7/21/2014 5:54 PM, Clod's Conscience wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:42:31 -0400, rickman wrote:


I thought s.e.d was bad but you guys are on a roll. Can you both just
stop the nonsense for a while maybe?

How very dare you! Gareth is a polymath! He does *_Not_* post "nonsense"!

Hmmmm... When I read this I keep expecting a smiley at the end, but I
don't see it. I just can't believe someone would post this statement
without a tongue in their cheek.

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Rick

On 7/21/2014 6:26 PM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
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On 7/20/2014 3:31 PM, gareth wrote:
"vu2nan" wrote in message
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gareth;822016 Wrote:
"vu2nan" wrote in message
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gareth;821995 Wrote:-
A straight Morse key has a fulcrum away from you, but your wrist
articulates in front of the key, in a mirror image of that of the key.
Therefore, your wrist is constrained to follow an unnatural arc
when keying.
Have there been any mechanical designs published so that the
keying arc is in the same sense as the wrist arc?
(cf. Watts' parallel motion, perhaps?)-
How about keeping the key turned 180° (facing away from you)?!
That thought did occur to me in bed last night. The main difficulty
would be
in needing a special-purpose table with an indentation...............by
having a
downward right angle bend for the paddles, you keyed
horizontally.
Hi OM Gareth.
Or the key should be below the table-top with only the knob projecting
out!
Yes, the knob protrudes, but the skirt of the knob is flush.

I can't see how the arc of the key is important.

Then you have not grasped the point of the discussion.

Gareth, I typed a fair amount explaining my rational (which you
snipped). If all you can say is, "you have not grasped...", then you
are a pretty poor conversationalist. Someone else made the same point
that the range of motion is so small that the center of motion is not
really very important.
Key Arm Hand
--o------------------------) (-------------------------o--

With a very small range of movement at the point of contact there is no
real problem with stress.

One thing I believe has not been pointed out is that the fingers are
part of the link and their multiple joints act to isolate the wrist from
the exact motion of the button. In other words, you are discussing a
problem that doesn't exist in regards to the arc of the button.
|------- Finger ------|--Hand--|
--o--------------------) (------o-------o-------o--------o--


If you want to discuss this, then please don't be condescending.
Instead, say something useful please.

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Rick

On 7/21/2014 5:54 PM, Clod's Conscience wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:42:31 -0400, rickman wrote:


I thought s.e.d was bad but you guys are on a roll. Can you both just
stop the nonsense for a while maybe?

How very dare you! Gareth is a polymath! He does *_Not_* post "nonsense"!


No, not a polymath. Polytroll is more like it. Polystoopid describes
him exactly!

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"rickman" wrote in message
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Hmmmm... When I read this I keep expecting a smiley at the end, but I
don't see it. I just can't believe someone would post this statement
without a tongue in their cheek.

What was that you were saying that would Stuckle and I cool it?

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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No, not a polymath. Polytroll is more like it. Polystoopid describes
him exactly!

It remains that I have to continue to play the role of the patient
schoolteacher dealing with
you as the disruptive infant in the kindergarten school.

"rickman" wrote in message
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On 7/21/2014 6:26 PM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
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Yes, the knob protrudes, but the skirt of the knob is flush.

I can't see how the arc of the key is important.

Then you have not grasped the point of the discussion.

Gareth, I typed a fair amount explaining my rational (which you snipped).

Because it added nothing further.

On 7/22/2014 2:03 AM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
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On 7/21/2014 6:26 PM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
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Yes, the knob protrudes, but the skirt of the knob is flush.

I can't see how the arc of the key is important.

Then you have not grasped the point of the discussion.

Gareth, I typed a fair amount explaining my rational (which you snipped).

Because it added nothing further.

Ok, when you wish to have a discussion, let me know.

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Rick

"rickman" wrote in message
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On 7/22/2014 2:03 AM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
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On 7/21/2014 6:26 PM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
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Yes, the knob protrudes, but the skirt of the knob is flush.
I can't see how the arc of the key is important.
Then you have not grasped the point of the discussion.
Gareth, I typed a fair amount explaining my rational (which you
snipped).
Because it added nothing further.

Ok, when you wish to have a discussion, let me know.

Well, I was. But you were off on a different tack.