On 02/12/14 16:40, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 11:16 AM, Spike wrote:

It's a plain and simple fact, and explicitly stated. So simple that
everyone should be able to understand it.

And there is no reason to think the current moderators of rram will
become the moderators of ukrram,

"*For now* the moderators are different. but with a freemason-type
succession policy nothing can be guaranteed"

It's complete rebuttal of your claim that it "... is an entirely
different newsgroup, with entirely different moderators".

Which is why I said "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and
has the antecedents of a duck, it's a duck".

Nope. No rebuttal at all. You're comparing apples and oranges. They
are two different newsgroups with two different audiences and two
different sets of moderators.

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".

An entirely different newsgroup, formed by the same chap and running a
cut-and-paste Charter and ModPol, so the success of them can be already
seen in the group this was all lifted from. It's, well, crap.

So he used another newsgroup's charter as a template? Here's something
you don't obviously know - people don't create everything from scratch.
They often use something that already exists as a template. And that
isn't restricted to usenet charters.

They are two different newsgroups. You're comparing apples and oranges.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

Many of us refuse to post to rram for various reasons, but would gladly
embrace ukrram.

That's your problem. Please don't lumber us Brits with it.

I never said anything about it involving you.

Non sequitur.

You can always RFD for change (or whatever you call it over there).

Why? I'm quite happily ignoring it - as you should ukrram if you don't
like it.

You're not happy at all. You want the Brits to host you a moderated
group so you can play in it.

You've already got one, but because you've blotted your copybook you
want another one to play with. I don't see why we should all be lumbered
because of your shortcomings.

This has zero to do with rram, but you can't seem to get that fact
through your thick skull. And the creation of ukrram has absolutely
nothing to do with rram. I know you can't understand that, either.

I think you're struggling with this:

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".

So what's the real reason, Spike?

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

And we don't want Stuckle over here. Isn't the US big enough for you?


--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe

On 12/2/2014 11:52 AM, Spike wrote:
On 02/12/14 16:40, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 11:16 AM, Spike wrote:

It's a plain and simple fact, and explicitly stated. So simple that
everyone should be able to understand it.

And there is no reason to think the current moderators of rram will
become the moderators of ukrram,

"*For now* the moderators are different. but with a freemason-type
succession policy nothing can be guaranteed"


Unsupported conjecture and fear mongering. IOW, FUD.

It's complete rebuttal of your claim that it "... is an entirely
different newsgroup, with entirely different moderators".

Which is why I said "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and
has the antecedents of a duck, it's a duck".

Nope. No rebuttal at all. You're comparing apples and oranges. They
are two different newsgroups with two different audiences and two
different sets of moderators.

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".


So he used another newsgroup's charter as a template? Here's something
you don't obviously know - people don't create everything from scratch.
They often use something that already exists as a template. And that
isn't restricted to usenet charters.

They are two different newsgroups. You're comparing apples and oranges.

An entirely different newsgroup, formed by the same chap and running a
cut-and-paste Charter and ModPol, so the success of them can be already
seen in the group this was all lifted from. It's, well, crap.

So he used another newsgroup's charter as a template? Here's something
you don't obviously know - people don't create everything from scratch.
They often use something that already exists as a template. And that
isn't restricted to usenet charters.

They are two different newsgroups. You're comparing apples and oranges.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.


So? They are two entirely different newsgroup. You're comparing apples
and oranges.

Many of us refuse to post to rram for various reasons, but would gladly
embrace ukrram.

That's your problem. Please don't lumber us Brits with it.

I never said anything about it involving you.

Non sequitur.


You asked me not to lumber you Brits with it. No one is.

You can always RFD for change (or whatever you call it over there).

Why? I'm quite happily ignoring it - as you should ukrram if you don't
like it.

You're not happy at all. You want the Brits to host you a moderated
group so you can play in it.


No, I want a moderated newsgroup so that I can chat with some of the
people I've met on ukraa without having to put up with the cesspool that
certain people have made it to be.

You've already got one, but because you've blotted your copybook you
want another one to play with. I don't see why we should all be lumbered
because of your shortcomings.

This has zero to do with rram, but you can't seem to get that fact
through your thick skull. And the creation of ukrram has absolutely
nothing to do with rram. I know you can't understand that, either.

I think you're struggling with this:

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".


No, you're struggling with the fact that they are two different
newsgroups with two different audiences and two different sets of
moderators. The chap who is behind the RFD only submitted the RFD. He
has NOTHING to do with the moderation of the newsgroup or any other
operation of the newsgroup. But you seem to have trouble with that very
simple concept.

So what's the real reason, Spike?

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.


And you can't understand that you're comparing apples and oranges.

And we don't want Stuckle over here. Isn't the US big enough for you?



Since when do YOU speak for the entire UK? What you REALLY mean is YOU
don't want me there - probably because I don't put up with trolls.

But you still haven't answered a simple question - what's the REAL
reason you don't want it? Since you can't seem to answer such a simple
question, let me do it for you. You are well known to be one of the
main instigators causing ukrra to be suck a cesspool. You are deathly
afraid that you won't be allowed to post your crap in a moderated
newsgroup. And you're afraid all the "good" people will leave ukrra for
ukrram, and only you and your fellow instigators will be left on ukrra.

And that takes all the fun out of it.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

But you still haven't answered a simple question - what's the REAL
reason you don't want it? Since you can't seem to answer such a simple
question, let me do it for you. You are well known to be one of the
main instigators causing ukrra to be suck a cesspool. You are deathly
afraid that you won't be allowed to post your crap in a moderated
newsgroup. And you're afraid all the "good" people will leave ukrra for
ukrram, and only you and your fellow instigators will be left on ukrra.

And that takes all the fun out of it.

+1

The main fear that the vocal anti group have is, as you describe, being
left with no-one to squabble with. It's utterly transparent and becomes
ever more so with the increasingly petty "concerns" that they're raising.

I sincerely hope that the moderated group passes the vote and is created.
There's well over a decade of abuse and insanity on the record in the ukra
archives and absolutely no hope whatsoever that those who have contributed
to that library of shame and degredation will change their ways if left to
their own devices. Creating the moderated group will at least give us
normal folk a place to hold civil and constructive conversation on amateur
radio while these maniacs consume themselves.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

On 02/12/14 17:06, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 11:52 AM, Spike wrote:
On 02/12/14 16:40, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 11:16 AM, Spike wrote:

It's a plain and simple fact, and explicitly stated. So simple that
everyone should be able to understand it.

And there is no reason to think the current moderators of rram will
become the moderators of ukrram,

"*For now* the moderators are different. but with a freemason-type
succession policy nothing can be guaranteed"

Unsupported conjecture and fear mongering. IOW, FUD.

It's a plain and simple fact, and explicitly stated. So simple that
everyone should be able to understand it.

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".

So he used another newsgroup's charter as a template? Here's something
you don't obviously know - people don't create everything from scratch.
They often use something that already exists as a template. And that
isn't restricted to usenet charters.

Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

So? They are two entirely different newsgroup. You're comparing apples
and oranges.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who brought 'order' to the
US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

You asked me not to lumber you Brits with it. No one is.

Why? I'm quite happily ignoring it - as you should ukrram if you don't
like it.

You're not happy at all. You want the Brits to host you a moderated
group so you can play in it.

No, I want a moderated newsgroup so that I can chat with some of the
people I've met on ukraa without having to put up with the cesspool that
certain people have made it to be.

You want....

You've got a moderated group. Don't the people there like you, or something?

I think you're struggling with this:

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".

No, you're struggling with the fact that they are two different
newsgroups with two different audiences and two different sets of
moderators. The chap who is behind the RFD only submitted the RFD. He
has NOTHING to do with the moderation of the newsgroup or any other
operation of the newsgroup. But you seem to have trouble with that very
simple concept.

False argument.

So what's the real reason, Spike?

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

And you can't understand that you're comparing apples and oranges.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.

And we don't want Stuckle over here. Isn't the US big enough for you?

Since when do YOU speak for the entire UK? What you REALLY mean is YOU
don't want me there - probably because I don't put up with trolls.

Oh, I'm not alone in this. Trust me.

But you still haven't answered a simple question - what's the REAL
reason you don't want it? Since you can't seem to answer such a simple
question, let me do it for you. You are well known to be one of the
main instigators causing ukrra to be suck a cesspool. You are deathly
afraid that you won't be allowed to post your crap in a moderated
newsgroup. And you're afraid all the "good" people will leave ukrra for
ukrram, and only you and your fellow instigators will be left on ukrra.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

And that takes all the fun out of it.

Not my problem.

--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe

On 12/2/2014 6:20 PM, Spike wrote:
On 02/12/14 17:06, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 11:52 AM, Spike wrote:
On 02/12/14 16:40, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 11:16 AM, Spike wrote:

It's a plain and simple fact, and explicitly stated. So simple that
everyone should be able to understand it.

And there is no reason to think the current moderators of rram will
become the moderators of ukrram,

"*For now* the moderators are different. but with a freemason-type
succession policy nothing can be guaranteed"

Unsupported conjecture and fear mongering. IOW, FUD.

It's a plain and simple fact, and explicitly stated. So simple that
everyone should be able to understand it.


Even you? ROFLMAO! More FUD.

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".

So he used another newsgroup's charter as a template? Here's something
you don't obviously know - people don't create everything from scratch.
They often use something that already exists as a template. And that
isn't restricted to usenet charters.

Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.


Yes. And I have been for around 40 years.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

So? They are two entirely different newsgroup. You're comparing apples
and oranges.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who brought 'order' to the
US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.


So? They are two entirely different newsgroups. You're comparing
apples and oranges.

You asked me not to lumber you Brits with it. No one is.

Why? I'm quite happily ignoring it - as you should ukrram if you don't
like it.

You're not happy at all. You want the Brits to host you a moderated
group so you can play in it.

No, I want a moderated newsgroup so that I can chat with some of the
people I've met on ukraa without having to put up with the cesspool that
certain people have made it to be.

You want....

You've got a moderated group. Don't the people there like you, or
something?


Yes, I want a moderated group - where the cesspool you helped create is
not allowed.

I think you're struggling with this:

"Only by noting that the chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms".

No, you're struggling with the fact that they are two different
newsgroups with two different audiences and two different sets of
moderators. The chap who is behind the RFD only submitted the RFD. He
has NOTHING to do with the moderation of the newsgroup or any other
operation of the newsgroup. But you seem to have trouble with that very
simple concept.

False argument.


Only in your mind. But that's not surprising, considering how small
your mind is.

So what's the real reason, Spike?

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

And you can't understand that you're comparing apples and oranges.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.

And we don't want Stuckle over here. Isn't the US big enough for you?

Since when do YOU speak for the entire UK? What you REALLY mean is YOU
don't want me there - probably because I don't put up with trolls.

Oh, I'm not alone in this. Trust me.


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.

But you still haven't answered a simple question - what's the REAL
reason you don't want it? Since you can't seem to answer such a simple
question, let me do it for you. You are well known to be one of the
main instigators causing ukrra to be suck a cesspool. You are deathly
afraid that you won't be allowed to post your crap in a moderated
newsgroup. And you're afraid all the "good" people will leave ukrra for
ukrram, and only you and your fellow instigators will be left on ukrra.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

And that takes all the fun out of it.

Not my problem.


And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.

We don't want YOU in ukram. That's why the RFD to create it.

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In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ssnip

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.

snip


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.

snip

And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.

And he is off!!!



--
Jim Pennino

On 12/2/2014 9:03 PM, the well-known troll wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ssnip

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.

snip


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.

snip

And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.

And he is off!!!



Yup, and I see you're trolling again. Just like you admit you do.

Are you going to lose it again? Poor boy.

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Jerry, AI0K

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 9:03 PM, the well-known troll wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ssnip

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.

snip


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.

snip

And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.

And he is off!!!



Yup, and I see you're trolling again. Just like you admit you do.

Are you going to lose it again? Poor boy.

Megalomaniac.


--
Jim Pennino

On 03/12/14 00:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 6:20 PM, Spike wrote:

Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.

Yes. And I have been for around 40 years.

Ah, now I understand.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

TTFN

--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe

On 12/3/2014 4:23 AM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 00:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 6:20 PM, Spike wrote:

Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.

Yes. And I have been for around 40 years.

Ah, now I understand.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

TTFN


Which has absolutely nothing to do with ukram. They are two different
newsgroups, with two different audiences and two different moderation
teams. The only thing they have in common is the proposer of the RFD.
But that is immaterial since he has no say in the running of either
newsgroup, and anyone can create an RFD.

Either that or your grasping at straws to try to make your argument.
And it isn't working.

But you don't seem to be able to understand the difference between
apples and oranges.

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