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"Rick Karlquist N6RK" wrote in message news:E0x7b.407103$Ho3.62141@sccrnsc03...
You don't even need a bridge. Just put a BNC "tee" in line between any signal generator and any detector. Now put your LC series resonant tank on the third port of the tee. At resonance, the LC will suck out the signal and you will see a dip in the response. This method is more accurate than the bridge method you describe. Regarding small inductances: the capacitor has to have negligible inductance compared to the inductor you want to measure. Another caveat: keep the leads between your LC to be measured and the coax tap point very small compared with the wavelength. For example, if you have a quarter wave of line between the "T" and the LC, at LC resonance it reflects back an open instead of a short. And if it's even just 0.05 waves, for example, with 50.66nH and 50pF on the end, the suck-out frequency drops from 100MHz (the LC resonance) to about 83MHz, and you're going to make a big error in your estimate of the inductance. That 0.05 waves of line is only about 4 inches at 100MHz. In a typical BNC "T", you probably have 0.01 waves at 100MHz, and even that shifts the apparent resonance by over 4MHz in the example given, resulting in 9% or so error in the estimate of L. Looking at it another way, not only does the capacitance have to have negligible inductance compared with the inductor, but the connection to the line must also. -- So though the return-loss-bridge technique where a Zo resistor is added may not be as accurate as a resonance measurement, it does have the advantage that it can be done at the end of a line without regard to the line length, and sometimes that can be very handy. Another poster asked about using these techniques to find antenna resonance. The problem for the typical ham's instrumentation is that the antenna is generally a low Q and presents a fairly high resistance (in the neighborhood of 50 ohms, presumably, but not necessarily very close to that) at resonance. It's easy enough to measure the system resonance (lack of reactance) at the shack end of the line feeding the antenna, but AFAIK, most hams don't have an analyzer they can calibrate at the end of a piece of transmission line like you can with modern lab network analyzers. So you'd have to measure the impdeance (R+jX, complex value) you see at the shack end of the line and put that into a calc that backs the line out so you can know the impedance at the antenna feedpoint. -- But why bother? It doesn't generally matter whether an antenna is _resonant_ or not, only that it radiates efficiently with the desired pattern, and that you have a way to get power to it efficiently. So at least at a given frequency, you can trim the antenna and/or put a small matching network at the antenna to get the line SWR low enough to suit you. If you can stand the resulting SWR over the range of freqs you want to use, then any additional matching can be done at the shack end of the line. Yet another note. ;-) When the measurement is done in a system with a 50-ohm impedance, and the components (L and C) in the resonant tank have fairly low reactance, you won't get a very sharp null with the return-loss bridge and additional series R as the OP suggested. The additional R makes the tank Q very low. With Rick's suck-out circuit suggestion, you'll need a detector with pretty wide dynamic range (like a receiver perhaps) to see where the deepest null occurs, because even fairly far off resonance, there will be significant attenuation. Cheers, Tom |
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