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Caveat Lector September 5th 03 06:24 PM

want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
 
Golly -- FYI:
Jamming is illegal -- subject to an FCC fine

--
73 From The Signal In The Noise
Caveat Lector Ya All
"Limitedselection" wrote in message
...
Help!

I want to effectively "jam" CB reception on my property.
The "jammer" would need to be low power and cover an area about as large

as a
'small' city block.

I have searched google, but I have only found references to schematics

that
were either posted to usenet as a picture (thus not saved in google

archives),
or located on web servers in domains that no longer exist.

Any information would be appreciated!





Caveat Lector September 5th 03 06:24 PM

Golly -- FYI:
Jamming is illegal -- subject to an FCC fine

--
73 From The Signal In The Noise
Caveat Lector Ya All
"Limitedselection" wrote in message
...
Help!

I want to effectively "jam" CB reception on my property.
The "jammer" would need to be low power and cover an area about as large

as a
'small' city block.

I have searched google, but I have only found references to schematics

that
were either posted to usenet as a picture (thus not saved in google

archives),
or located on web servers in domains that no longer exist.

Any information would be appreciated!





Frank Dresser September 5th 03 07:08 PM


"Limitedselection" wrote in message
...

[snip]

Since the signal would not leave my property


[snip]

Cool! How do you do that? And if you can keep your jammer signal limited
to your own property, why can't you use the same trick to keep the CB
signals off your property?

Frank Dresser



Frank Dresser September 5th 03 07:08 PM


"Limitedselection" wrote in message
...

[snip]

Since the signal would not leave my property


[snip]

Cool! How do you do that? And if you can keep your jammer signal limited
to your own property, why can't you use the same trick to keep the CB
signals off your property?

Frank Dresser



Roy Lewallen September 5th 03 07:10 PM

I won't offer legal advice, but I can offer technical advice.

There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.

It also looks like you might misunderstand what "jamming" does and how
it works. There's no practical way to make interference go away by
"jamming". "Jamming" is a masking technique. For example, the communist
bloc nations used to jam Western broadcasts, with high-power
transmitters placed close to the intended audience, and producing
powerful noise-like signals. So all the intended audience could hear is
the noise, and not the Western broadcasts. If you build a local jammer,
you'll simply hear it instead of the CBer. That is, you'll just be
replacing the interference he causes with interference you cause. You
can accomplish the same thing by running the jamming signal modulation
into some earphones, putting them on, and turning off the radio the CBer
is interfering with.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Limitedselection wrote:
To "Caveat Lector":

Thanks for your 'help'!

Apparently you are a lawyer (or play one on usenet)?

Somehow I don't think the FCC would fine me for jamming CB reception on my own
property.
I specifically asked for a low power circuit that would only cover the area
around my house - not powerful enough to reach the neighbors.
Since I would be jamming myself I would not complain.
Since it's my property the FCC would not know I was doing it - if they drove up
to my gate it specifically says "No Trespassing - violaters will be
prosecuted".

Since the signal would not leave my property, and there would be no complaints,
and it would not interfere with anyone other than me, and to detect the jamming
signal you would have to trespass on my land (at your peril) - I assume that I
could 'get away' with it.

Again, any help (other than legal advice) would be greatly appreciated!




Roy Lewallen September 5th 03 07:10 PM

I won't offer legal advice, but I can offer technical advice.

There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.

It also looks like you might misunderstand what "jamming" does and how
it works. There's no practical way to make interference go away by
"jamming". "Jamming" is a masking technique. For example, the communist
bloc nations used to jam Western broadcasts, with high-power
transmitters placed close to the intended audience, and producing
powerful noise-like signals. So all the intended audience could hear is
the noise, and not the Western broadcasts. If you build a local jammer,
you'll simply hear it instead of the CBer. That is, you'll just be
replacing the interference he causes with interference you cause. You
can accomplish the same thing by running the jamming signal modulation
into some earphones, putting them on, and turning off the radio the CBer
is interfering with.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Limitedselection wrote:
To "Caveat Lector":

Thanks for your 'help'!

Apparently you are a lawyer (or play one on usenet)?

Somehow I don't think the FCC would fine me for jamming CB reception on my own
property.
I specifically asked for a low power circuit that would only cover the area
around my house - not powerful enough to reach the neighbors.
Since I would be jamming myself I would not complain.
Since it's my property the FCC would not know I was doing it - if they drove up
to my gate it specifically says "No Trespassing - violaters will be
prosecuted".

Since the signal would not leave my property, and there would be no complaints,
and it would not interfere with anyone other than me, and to detect the jamming
signal you would have to trespass on my land (at your peril) - I assume that I
could 'get away' with it.

Again, any help (other than legal advice) would be greatly appreciated!




Limitedselection September 5th 03 07:18 PM

From: (Mike W)
You are talking about the groundwave, think about the skywave.
I can assure you that even a low power jammer will be receivable over
most of the world at some stage or other, depending on propagation
conditions.


Ah, I had not thought of that. Is there any way to ensure that did not happen?
Locating the jammer inside the house?
The angle of the antenna?
Sheilding the jamming device?
Only operating at certain times?

I do NOT want to interfere with any reception (other than my own).




Limitedselection September 5th 03 07:18 PM

From: (Mike W)
You are talking about the groundwave, think about the skywave.
I can assure you that even a low power jammer will be receivable over
most of the world at some stage or other, depending on propagation
conditions.


Ah, I had not thought of that. Is there any way to ensure that did not happen?
Locating the jammer inside the house?
The angle of the antenna?
Sheilding the jamming device?
Only operating at certain times?

I do NOT want to interfere with any reception (other than my own).




Limitedselection September 5th 03 07:27 PM

Roy,
Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a very low
power device centrally located in my property would apparently be heard
world-wide - which is NOT what I want.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals on my
property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.

Thanks again.

From: Roy Lewallen


There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.




Limitedselection September 5th 03 07:27 PM

Roy,
Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a very low
power device centrally located in my property would apparently be heard
world-wide - which is NOT what I want.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals on my
property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.

Thanks again.

From: Roy Lewallen


There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.




Troglodite September 5th 03 07:41 PM


One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.


Get FRS radios for the kids. They are cheap, reliable, and will NOT receive
standard CB transmissions.


Troglodite September 5th 03 07:41 PM


One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.


Get FRS radios for the kids. They are cheap, reliable, and will NOT receive
standard CB transmissions.


Limitedselection September 5th 03 07:54 PM

From: "Caveat Lector"

Further should you radiate a very low level signal -- when the 29MHz band
has good nproagation -- you will send even a low level milliwatt signal for
hundreds of miles via "skywave" (skip if you will)


Caveat Lector,

Someone else posted about skywave - I was unaware.

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an issue. But
unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no matter how small can be
heard world-wide.

Thanks.


Limitedselection September 5th 03 07:54 PM

From: "Caveat Lector"

Further should you radiate a very low level signal -- when the 29MHz band
has good nproagation -- you will send even a low level milliwatt signal for
hundreds of miles via "skywave" (skip if you will)


Caveat Lector,

Someone else posted about skywave - I was unaware.

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an issue. But
unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no matter how small can be
heard world-wide.

Thanks.


Roy Lewallen September 5th 03 09:16 PM

Hm, that is an interesting problem. The trick would be to have a signal
that's always considerably stronger at the walkie-talkies than the
CBer's, regardless of where they might be in the house or on the
property, but always considerably weaker than the signal from the other
walkie-talkie. That won't be easy, if it's possible at all. Your best
shot would be to use another walkie-talkie, because it would be directly
radiating on the right frequency. It'd also be legal, for what that's
worth to you. You'd need to reduce its signal output by shielding,
cutting down the antenna, reducing the battery voltage, or some other
means like stringing ferrite cores over the antenna. But I wouldn't bet
on its accomplishing what you're trying to do, unless the CB
interference is pretty weak. Reducing the walkie-talkie receiver
sensitivity is another option, if the receiver is separately accessible
internally and you know enough about such things to do it. But I think
the best idea, suggested by another poster, is to contact the FCC. The
law can, occasionally, be used to your advantage.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Limitedselection wrote:
Roy,
Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a very low
power device centrally located in my property would apparently be heard
world-wide - which is NOT what I want.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals on my
property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.

Thanks again.


From: Roy Lewallen



There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.






Roy Lewallen September 5th 03 09:16 PM

Hm, that is an interesting problem. The trick would be to have a signal
that's always considerably stronger at the walkie-talkies than the
CBer's, regardless of where they might be in the house or on the
property, but always considerably weaker than the signal from the other
walkie-talkie. That won't be easy, if it's possible at all. Your best
shot would be to use another walkie-talkie, because it would be directly
radiating on the right frequency. It'd also be legal, for what that's
worth to you. You'd need to reduce its signal output by shielding,
cutting down the antenna, reducing the battery voltage, or some other
means like stringing ferrite cores over the antenna. But I wouldn't bet
on its accomplishing what you're trying to do, unless the CB
interference is pretty weak. Reducing the walkie-talkie receiver
sensitivity is another option, if the receiver is separately accessible
internally and you know enough about such things to do it. But I think
the best idea, suggested by another poster, is to contact the FCC. The
law can, occasionally, be used to your advantage.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Limitedselection wrote:
Roy,
Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a very low
power device centrally located in my property would apparently be heard
world-wide - which is NOT what I want.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals on my
property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.

Thanks again.


From: Roy Lewallen



There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.






Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\) September 5th 03 09:18 PM

I do NOT want to interfere with any reception (other than my own).

How about just turning your CB receiver off?



Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\) September 5th 03 09:18 PM

I do NOT want to interfere with any reception (other than my own).

How about just turning your CB receiver off?



Limitedselection September 5th 03 09:50 PM

From: Roy Lewallen


Hm, that is an interesting problem. The trick would be to have a signal
that's always considerably stronger at the walkie-talkies than the
CBer's, regardless of where they might be in the house or on the
property, but always considerably weaker than the signal from the other
walkie-talkie.


Roy,
Originally I was thinking build a small low-power jamming device and locate it
in the center of the house. Then the field area being jammed would hopefully
surround the house - but not extend out too far. Being as it was located
inside I was assuming that the signal would not be as strong as the walkie to
walkie signals outside.

Someone else suggested jamming the tranmitter's receiver (I like that idea!).
They were talking about using a mobile with a car battery and a magnet antenna
inside a garbage bag. Any CB jamming device schematics around (I would hate to
lose a real radio).

Someone suggested via email that if the walkie talkies were crystal rather than
PLL you could swap the two crystals and the radio would be below channel 1 on a
'funny' channel. I tried swapping crystals on one and it was definately on a
different channel - I then swapped them in another one and the two could talk
again - but I couldn't hear them on one I hadn't swapped the crystals on. I
found them on my shortwave receiver down below channel 1. This may work out.

The FCC was not interested in the situation. It might be different if a bunch
of people complained about the same person, I don't know - but apparently one
person complaining means very little to them.

So far the crystal swapping may be the best way out - they get to keep the CB
walkie talkies which are better than the FRS radios I have (range/reception) -
but it is very quiet on the new channel!

I would still be interested in any schematics for jamming circuits though.

Thanks again.


Limitedselection September 5th 03 09:50 PM

From: Roy Lewallen


Hm, that is an interesting problem. The trick would be to have a signal
that's always considerably stronger at the walkie-talkies than the
CBer's, regardless of where they might be in the house or on the
property, but always considerably weaker than the signal from the other
walkie-talkie.


Roy,
Originally I was thinking build a small low-power jamming device and locate it
in the center of the house. Then the field area being jammed would hopefully
surround the house - but not extend out too far. Being as it was located
inside I was assuming that the signal would not be as strong as the walkie to
walkie signals outside.

Someone else suggested jamming the tranmitter's receiver (I like that idea!).
They were talking about using a mobile with a car battery and a magnet antenna
inside a garbage bag. Any CB jamming device schematics around (I would hate to
lose a real radio).

Someone suggested via email that if the walkie talkies were crystal rather than
PLL you could swap the two crystals and the radio would be below channel 1 on a
'funny' channel. I tried swapping crystals on one and it was definately on a
different channel - I then swapped them in another one and the two could talk
again - but I couldn't hear them on one I hadn't swapped the crystals on. I
found them on my shortwave receiver down below channel 1. This may work out.

The FCC was not interested in the situation. It might be different if a bunch
of people complained about the same person, I don't know - but apparently one
person complaining means very little to them.

So far the crystal swapping may be the best way out - they get to keep the CB
walkie talkies which are better than the FRS radios I have (range/reception) -
but it is very quiet on the new channel!

I would still be interested in any schematics for jamming circuits though.

Thanks again.


Limitedselection September 5th 03 10:00 PM

From: "-=jd=-"

Now, I'm sure both my friend and the problem CB'er are both on the wrong
side of the law. I do not endorse either participants behavior and leave
the morality of the activity up to the reader. However, I do think it's
humorous - especially to hear my friend tell it.


JD,
Thanks for the story. I would prefer to use some cheap throw-away little
circuit instead of 'good' equipment though.

An email I received told a story about a guy building a small jamming circuit
and then using a slingshot to launch it onto the target roof. The guy had made
a small parachute (like those little army men toys) to slow it's fall. The
circuit was encased in an egg shaped container (Silly Putty maybe) so it rolled
down and ended up in the rain gutter - where it sat. Apparently the gutter
sheilded the signal from the ground making it nearly impossible to locate the
device. According to the story they were searching for it with field strength
meters and such and never found it - until the next rain ... but by then it was
long dead anyway.

Thanks again.


Limitedselection September 5th 03 10:00 PM

From: "-=jd=-"

Now, I'm sure both my friend and the problem CB'er are both on the wrong
side of the law. I do not endorse either participants behavior and leave
the morality of the activity up to the reader. However, I do think it's
humorous - especially to hear my friend tell it.


JD,
Thanks for the story. I would prefer to use some cheap throw-away little
circuit instead of 'good' equipment though.

An email I received told a story about a guy building a small jamming circuit
and then using a slingshot to launch it onto the target roof. The guy had made
a small parachute (like those little army men toys) to slow it's fall. The
circuit was encased in an egg shaped container (Silly Putty maybe) so it rolled
down and ended up in the rain gutter - where it sat. Apparently the gutter
sheilded the signal from the ground making it nearly impossible to locate the
device. According to the story they were searching for it with field strength
meters and such and never found it - until the next rain ... but by then it was
long dead anyway.

Thanks again.


Limitedselection September 5th 03 10:07 PM

From: "Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\)"

How about just turning your CB receiver off?


Bob,
Excellent advice!

Would it be okay with you if I hang on to your email address so I can contact
you in the future when I need assistance solving what I believe to be complex
problems - which you will be able to solve instantly by focusing your intellect
on the exact nature of the problem and suggesting a wise, perceptive, and
simple solution!

Thanks again.


Limitedselection September 5th 03 10:07 PM

From: "Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\)"

How about just turning your CB receiver off?


Bob,
Excellent advice!

Would it be okay with you if I hang on to your email address so I can contact
you in the future when I need assistance solving what I believe to be complex
problems - which you will be able to solve instantly by focusing your intellect
on the exact nature of the problem and suggesting a wise, perceptive, and
simple solution!

Thanks again.


Paul Burridge September 5th 03 11:11 PM

On 05 Sep 2003 18:54:17 GMT,
(Limitedselection) wrote:

From: "Caveat Lector"


Further should you radiate a very low level signal -- when the 29MHz band
has good nproagation -- you will send even a low level milliwatt signal for
hundreds of miles via "skywave" (skip if you will)


Caveat Lector,

Someone else posted about skywave - I was unaware.

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an issue. But
unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no matter how small can be
heard world-wide.


Indeed. There are amateurs that compete to contact every country in
the world on just one Watt or less, believe it or not. Radio is a most
amazingly efficient form of communication. There are differences,
however, between the CB frequencies, which are relatively low, and the
higher ones. CB frequency transmissions, even at very low power, can
go world-wide very readily during and around sunspot maxima. There's
much more to it than an outsider might imagine.
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Paul Burridge September 5th 03 11:11 PM

On 05 Sep 2003 18:54:17 GMT,
(Limitedselection) wrote:

From: "Caveat Lector"


Further should you radiate a very low level signal -- when the 29MHz band
has good nproagation -- you will send even a low level milliwatt signal for
hundreds of miles via "skywave" (skip if you will)


Caveat Lector,

Someone else posted about skywave - I was unaware.

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an issue. But
unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no matter how small can be
heard world-wide.


Indeed. There are amateurs that compete to contact every country in
the world on just one Watt or less, believe it or not. Radio is a most
amazingly efficient form of communication. There are differences,
however, between the CB frequencies, which are relatively low, and the
higher ones. CB frequency transmissions, even at very low power, can
go world-wide very readily during and around sunspot maxima. There's
much more to it than an outsider might imagine.
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Limitedselection September 6th 03 02:38 AM

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: "Dick Carroll;"


Limited, you're doing a LOT of a ass-uming here!


Dick,
That I am ... I ASSumed that it would not be a problem to ask for this. From a
google search I had done I saw that this did come up from time to time - but
usually the schematic was posted as a jpg - which google does not retain.
Occassionally there was a URL pointing to the location of schematics - but
these all refer to non-existant domains - or non-existant pages now. I ASSumed
that I could just ask and someone might have the information.
Apparently giving this information to someone is a crime according to some of
the replies I have received. Apparently asking for this information is a crime
according to other replies I have received. Apparently even thinking about
this topic is a crime according to some of the replies I have received.

So, to all who I did offend by asking for this information I apologize for my
thought-crime.

Big Brother loves you all.



Limitedselection September 6th 03 02:38 AM

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: "Dick Carroll;"


Limited, you're doing a LOT of a ass-uming here!


Dick,
That I am ... I ASSumed that it would not be a problem to ask for this. From a
google search I had done I saw that this did come up from time to time - but
usually the schematic was posted as a jpg - which google does not retain.
Occassionally there was a URL pointing to the location of schematics - but
these all refer to non-existant domains - or non-existant pages now. I ASSumed
that I could just ask and someone might have the information.
Apparently giving this information to someone is a crime according to some of
the replies I have received. Apparently asking for this information is a crime
according to other replies I have received. Apparently even thinking about
this topic is a crime according to some of the replies I have received.

So, to all who I did offend by asking for this information I apologize for my
thought-crime.

Big Brother loves you all.



donut September 6th 03 08:05 AM

(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a
very low power device centrally located in my property would
apparently be heard world-wide - which is NOT what I want.


I hardly think this would be a problem. For one, you'd need an antenna
radiating a large proportion of skywave. Second, the CB bands are loaded
with all kinds of open carriers, whistlers, music players, etc. so your
tiny part in this would be unlikely to harm anyone.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals
on my property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids
use some walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the
outside signals would still allow the kids to talk due to their close
proximity.


Anything you might do to jam this CBer (like an oscillator to transmit an
OC) would also jam the walkie talkies.

1. Change the channel the walkie talkies operate on, or

2. Replace them with walkie talkies using another band. I believe there are
walkies talkies that also operate around 49 MHz.


donut September 6th 03 08:05 AM

(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a
very low power device centrally located in my property would
apparently be heard world-wide - which is NOT what I want.


I hardly think this would be a problem. For one, you'd need an antenna
radiating a large proportion of skywave. Second, the CB bands are loaded
with all kinds of open carriers, whistlers, music players, etc. so your
tiny part in this would be unlikely to harm anyone.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals
on my property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids
use some walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the
outside signals would still allow the kids to talk due to their close
proximity.


Anything you might do to jam this CBer (like an oscillator to transmit an
OC) would also jam the walkie talkies.

1. Change the channel the walkie talkies operate on, or

2. Replace them with walkie talkies using another band. I believe there are
walkies talkies that also operate around 49 MHz.


Limitedselection September 6th 03 08:31 AM

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: donut


(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a
very low power device centrally located in my property would
apparently be heard world-wide - which is NOT what I want.


I hardly think this would be a problem. For one, you'd need an antenna
radiating a large proportion of skywave. Second, the CB bands are loaded
with all kinds of open carriers, whistlers, music players, etc. so your
tiny part in this would be unlikely to harm anyone.


Donut,
Thanks for the info. Earlier someone suggested using a mobile CB with a car
battery and a magnet antenna and a garbage bag - and placing this as close to
the neighbor antenna as possible.
I think building a low-power jammer and placing it close to his antenna would
be a better solution. Less expensive and totally disposable.
You are one of the few people on Earth (well, at least on usenet - on usenet so
far since I posted yesterday) that seems to think that this would be relatively
harmless. Other people are equating asking for a jammer schematic to asking
for information on manufacturing chemical/biological/nuclear weapons (it
probably sounds like I am kidding about this - but I am NOT).
Thank you for your rational/calm approach to this!


Anything you might do to jam this CBer (like an oscillator to transmit an
OC) would also jam the walkie talkies.

1. Change the channel the walkie talkies operate on, or

2. Replace them with walkie talkies using another band. I believe there are
walkies talkies that also operate around 49 MHz.

At this point I am still looking for LOW POWER jammer schematics. Although
someone told me that some are on the way.
Thank you for your information though, I appreciate it.


Limitedselection September 6th 03 08:31 AM

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: donut


(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a
very low power device centrally located in my property would
apparently be heard world-wide - which is NOT what I want.


I hardly think this would be a problem. For one, you'd need an antenna
radiating a large proportion of skywave. Second, the CB bands are loaded
with all kinds of open carriers, whistlers, music players, etc. so your
tiny part in this would be unlikely to harm anyone.


Donut,
Thanks for the info. Earlier someone suggested using a mobile CB with a car
battery and a magnet antenna and a garbage bag - and placing this as close to
the neighbor antenna as possible.
I think building a low-power jammer and placing it close to his antenna would
be a better solution. Less expensive and totally disposable.
You are one of the few people on Earth (well, at least on usenet - on usenet so
far since I posted yesterday) that seems to think that this would be relatively
harmless. Other people are equating asking for a jammer schematic to asking
for information on manufacturing chemical/biological/nuclear weapons (it
probably sounds like I am kidding about this - but I am NOT).
Thank you for your rational/calm approach to this!


Anything you might do to jam this CBer (like an oscillator to transmit an
OC) would also jam the walkie talkies.

1. Change the channel the walkie talkies operate on, or

2. Replace them with walkie talkies using another band. I believe there are
walkies talkies that also operate around 49 MHz.

At this point I am still looking for LOW POWER jammer schematics. Although
someone told me that some are on the way.
Thank you for your information though, I appreciate it.


Limitedselection September 6th 03 08:35 AM

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: donut


(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an
issue. But unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no
matter how small can be heard world-wide.


This is ridiculous. Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.

Beside, the solar cycle is on it's downward spiral, and skip openings on 29
MHz are going to become few and far between and the cycle deepens.

If your local CBer is primarily a "skip" talker, that in itself might take
him out.





Donut,
Thanks for the info.

I am just looking for a low power, low cost (cheap) and disposable cb jammer
circuit.

A lot of amatuer radio operators and RF engineers are telling me that such a
device could wreak havoc world-wide even though it would be mere mw in power.
According to them 'skywaves' would allow the jammer to reach the entire planet
and jam communications world-wide.

I certainly don't want to jam world-wide communications, so unless someone has
a 'safe' schematic I am out of luck I guess.

Thanks again donut!


Limitedselection September 6th 03 08:35 AM

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: donut


(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an
issue. But unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no
matter how small can be heard world-wide.


This is ridiculous. Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.

Beside, the solar cycle is on it's downward spiral, and skip openings on 29
MHz are going to become few and far between and the cycle deepens.

If your local CBer is primarily a "skip" talker, that in itself might take
him out.





Donut,
Thanks for the info.

I am just looking for a low power, low cost (cheap) and disposable cb jammer
circuit.

A lot of amatuer radio operators and RF engineers are telling me that such a
device could wreak havoc world-wide even though it would be mere mw in power.
According to them 'skywaves' would allow the jammer to reach the entire planet
and jam communications world-wide.

I certainly don't want to jam world-wide communications, so unless someone has
a 'safe' schematic I am out of luck I guess.

Thanks again donut!


Mike W September 6th 03 01:32 PM

Have you concidered the DS1086 Spread Spectrum Econoscillator from
dallas Semiconductors.
A programmable Oscillator ( between 260Khz and 130Mhz ) with a
selectable 'dither' of either 2% or 4% ) powered from a few AA cells
would last a very long time and would sit nicely in the grass by the
CBers Aerial and clutter up his comms very effectivly ;-)

Very Tongue in cheek... Mike W
--

On 06 Sep 2003 07:31:53 GMT,
(Limitedselection) wrote:

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: donut


(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a
very low power device centrally located in my property would
apparently be heard world-wide - which is NOT what I want.


I hardly think this would be a problem. For one, you'd need an antenna
radiating a large proportion of skywave. Second, the CB bands are loaded
with all kinds of open carriers, whistlers, music players, etc. so your
tiny part in this would be unlikely to harm anyone.


Donut,
Thanks for the info. Earlier someone suggested using a mobile CB with a car
battery and a magnet antenna and a garbage bag - and placing this as close to
the neighbor antenna as possible.
I think building a low-power jammer and placing it close to his antenna would
be a better solution. Less expensive and totally disposable.
You are one of the few people on Earth (well, at least on usenet - on usenet so
far since I posted yesterday) that seems to think that this would be relatively
harmless. Other people are equating asking for a jammer schematic to asking
for information on manufacturing chemical/biological/nuclear weapons (it
probably sounds like I am kidding about this - but I am NOT).
Thank you for your rational/calm approach to this!


Anything you might do to jam this CBer (like an oscillator to transmit an
OC) would also jam the walkie talkies.

1. Change the channel the walkie talkies operate on, or

2. Replace them with walkie talkies using another band. I believe there are
walkies talkies that also operate around 49 MHz.

At this point I am still looking for LOW POWER jammer schematics. Although
someone told me that some are on the way.
Thank you for your information though, I appreciate it.



Mike W September 6th 03 01:32 PM

Have you concidered the DS1086 Spread Spectrum Econoscillator from
dallas Semiconductors.
A programmable Oscillator ( between 260Khz and 130Mhz ) with a
selectable 'dither' of either 2% or 4% ) powered from a few AA cells
would last a very long time and would sit nicely in the grass by the
CBers Aerial and clutter up his comms very effectivly ;-)

Very Tongue in cheek... Mike W
--

On 06 Sep 2003 07:31:53 GMT,
(Limitedselection) wrote:

Subject: want circuit/schematic for CB "jammer"
From: donut


(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a
very low power device centrally located in my property would
apparently be heard world-wide - which is NOT what I want.


I hardly think this would be a problem. For one, you'd need an antenna
radiating a large proportion of skywave. Second, the CB bands are loaded
with all kinds of open carriers, whistlers, music players, etc. so your
tiny part in this would be unlikely to harm anyone.


Donut,
Thanks for the info. Earlier someone suggested using a mobile CB with a car
battery and a magnet antenna and a garbage bag - and placing this as close to
the neighbor antenna as possible.
I think building a low-power jammer and placing it close to his antenna would
be a better solution. Less expensive and totally disposable.
You are one of the few people on Earth (well, at least on usenet - on usenet so
far since I posted yesterday) that seems to think that this would be relatively
harmless. Other people are equating asking for a jammer schematic to asking
for information on manufacturing chemical/biological/nuclear weapons (it
probably sounds like I am kidding about this - but I am NOT).
Thank you for your rational/calm approach to this!


Anything you might do to jam this CBer (like an oscillator to transmit an
OC) would also jam the walkie talkies.

1. Change the channel the walkie talkies operate on, or

2. Replace them with walkie talkies using another band. I believe there are
walkies talkies that also operate around 49 MHz.

At this point I am still looking for LOW POWER jammer schematics. Although
someone told me that some are on the way.
Thank you for your information though, I appreciate it.



Scott September 6th 03 02:05 PM

I'm still confued. You want to keep from HEARING CB signals at YOUR
house? Why not just turn power off to your CB?

Scott
N0EDV

Limitedselection wrote:

From: (Mike W)
You are talking about the groundwave, think about the skywave.
I can assure you that even a low power jammer will be receivable over
most of the world at some stage or other, depending on propagation
conditions.


Ah, I had not thought of that. Is there any way to ensure that did not happen?
Locating the jammer inside the house?
The angle of the antenna?
Sheilding the jamming device?
Only operating at certain times?

I do NOT want to interfere with any reception (other than my own).


--

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!

Scott September 6th 03 02:05 PM

I'm still confued. You want to keep from HEARING CB signals at YOUR
house? Why not just turn power off to your CB?

Scott
N0EDV

Limitedselection wrote:

From: (Mike W)
You are talking about the groundwave, think about the skywave.
I can assure you that even a low power jammer will be receivable over
most of the world at some stage or other, depending on propagation
conditions.


Ah, I had not thought of that. Is there any way to ensure that did not happen?
Locating the jammer inside the house?
The angle of the antenna?
Sheilding the jamming device?
Only operating at certain times?

I do NOT want to interfere with any reception (other than my own).


--

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!

Scott September 6th 03 02:15 PM

The only problem with that is that CB is AM. As all pilots know, when
two AM transmitters come on frequency, you end up hearing both (and if
one is a bit off frequency, a loud squeal as well). FM has the "capture"
effect where you only hear the strongest one (ideally).

Scott
N0EDV

Roy Lewallen wrote:

Hm, that is an interesting problem. The trick would be to have a signal
that's always considerably stronger at the walkie-talkies than the
CBer's, regardless of where they might be in the house or on the
property, but always considerably weaker than the signal from the other
walkie-talkie. That won't be easy, if it's possible at all. Your best
shot would be to use another walkie-talkie, because it would be directly
radiating on the right frequency. It'd also be legal, for what that's
worth to you. You'd need to reduce its signal output by shielding,
cutting down the antenna, reducing the battery voltage, or some other
means like stringing ferrite cores over the antenna. But I wouldn't bet
on its accomplishing what you're trying to do, unless the CB
interference is pretty weak. Reducing the walkie-talkie receiver
sensitivity is another option, if the receiver is separately accessible
internally and you know enough about such things to do it. But I think
the best idea, suggested by another poster, is to contact the FCC. The
law can, occasionally, be used to your advantage.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Limitedselection wrote:
Roy,
Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a very low
power device centrally located in my property would apparently be heard
world-wide - which is NOT what I want.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals on my
property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.

Thanks again.


From: Roy Lewallen



There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.





--

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!

Scott September 6th 03 02:15 PM

The only problem with that is that CB is AM. As all pilots know, when
two AM transmitters come on frequency, you end up hearing both (and if
one is a bit off frequency, a loud squeal as well). FM has the "capture"
effect where you only hear the strongest one (ideally).

Scott
N0EDV

Roy Lewallen wrote:

Hm, that is an interesting problem. The trick would be to have a signal
that's always considerably stronger at the walkie-talkies than the
CBer's, regardless of where they might be in the house or on the
property, but always considerably weaker than the signal from the other
walkie-talkie. That won't be easy, if it's possible at all. Your best
shot would be to use another walkie-talkie, because it would be directly
radiating on the right frequency. It'd also be legal, for what that's
worth to you. You'd need to reduce its signal output by shielding,
cutting down the antenna, reducing the battery voltage, or some other
means like stringing ferrite cores over the antenna. But I wouldn't bet
on its accomplishing what you're trying to do, unless the CB
interference is pretty weak. Reducing the walkie-talkie receiver
sensitivity is another option, if the receiver is separately accessible
internally and you know enough about such things to do it. But I think
the best idea, suggested by another poster, is to contact the FCC. The
law can, occasionally, be used to your advantage.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Limitedselection wrote:
Roy,
Thanks - Mike posted about sky waves (I was unaware of), so even a very low
power device centrally located in my property would apparently be heard
world-wide - which is NOT what I want.

Actually, I did want to jam the reception of the existing CB signals on my
property (at least in and around the house).

One of my neighbors uses rather 'salty' language and the local kids use some
walkie talkies around the house - I fugured that jamming the outside signals
would still allow the kids to talk due to their close proximity.

Thanks again.


From: Roy Lewallen



There's no way to make a signal stop at your property line, short of
putting a perfect shield around your property. And if you did that, you
wouldn't be bothered by your neighbor's CB anyway.





--

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!


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