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Diego Stutzer October 14th 03 07:38 PM

V and I not in phase at resonance Frequency in RLC network?
 
Hi,
Well, I'm really confused.
I simulate a simple serial R-C-L-Network (all in series).

As far as I know the total (input-)Impedance of the network is:
Z = R + jwL - j/(wC) resp. the resonance frequency (where Zin=R) is
1/sqrt(L*C).
At resonance frequency, the Impedance should be real and therefore in
my hummel opinion Voltage and Current schould be in phase.

The funny thing is, when i build up such a network in Schematics
(Cadence PSD 14.1/Orcad 9.2) and simulate it with the PSpice A/D
Simulator, the current is displaced (relative to the voltage) about
lambda/4 - obviously not in phase!?

Can anyone tell my where I made a mistake?
Or why this Problem is showing up?
Thanks to anyone reading this and especially to those who post
answers.
D. Stutzer

Don Pearce October 14th 03 07:56 PM

On 14 Oct 2003 11:38:29 -0700, (Diego Stutzer)
wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm really confused.
I simulate a simple serial R-C-L-Network (all in series).

As far as I know the total (input-)Impedance of the network is:
Z = R + jwL - j/(wC) resp. the resonance frequency (where Zin=R) is
1/sqrt(L*C).
At resonance frequency, the Impedance should be real and therefore in
my hummel opinion Voltage and Current schould be in phase.

The funny thing is, when i build up such a network in Schematics
(Cadence PSD 14.1/Orcad 9.2) and simulate it with the PSpice A/D
Simulator, the current is displaced (relative to the voltage) about
lambda/4 - obviously not in phase!?

Can anyone tell my where I made a mistake?
Or why this Problem is showing up?
Thanks to anyone reading this and especially to those who post
answers.
D. Stutzer


The impedance should be R + jwL + 1/(jwC)

d

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Don Pearce October 14th 03 07:56 PM

On 14 Oct 2003 11:38:29 -0700, (Diego Stutzer)
wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm really confused.
I simulate a simple serial R-C-L-Network (all in series).

As far as I know the total (input-)Impedance of the network is:
Z = R + jwL - j/(wC) resp. the resonance frequency (where Zin=R) is
1/sqrt(L*C).
At resonance frequency, the Impedance should be real and therefore in
my hummel opinion Voltage and Current schould be in phase.

The funny thing is, when i build up such a network in Schematics
(Cadence PSD 14.1/Orcad 9.2) and simulate it with the PSpice A/D
Simulator, the current is displaced (relative to the voltage) about
lambda/4 - obviously not in phase!?

Can anyone tell my where I made a mistake?
Or why this Problem is showing up?
Thanks to anyone reading this and especially to those who post
answers.
D. Stutzer


The impedance should be R + jwL + 1/(jwC)

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

John Fields October 14th 03 08:02 PM

On 14 Oct 2003 11:38:29 -0700, (Diego Stutzer)
wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm really confused.
I simulate a simple serial R-C-L-Network (all in series).

As far as I know the total (input-)Impedance of the network is:
Z = R + jwL - j/(wC) resp. the resonance frequency (where Zin=R) is
1/sqrt(L*C).
At resonance frequency, the Impedance should be real and therefore in
my hummel opinion Voltage and Current schould be in phase.

The funny thing is, when i build up such a network in Schematics
(Cadence PSD 14.1/Orcad 9.2) and simulate it with the PSpice A/D
Simulator, the current is displaced (relative to the voltage) about
lambda/4 - obviously not in phase!?

Can anyone tell my where I made a mistake?


---

1
f = -------------
2pi(sqrt(LC))


--
John Fields

John Fields October 14th 03 08:02 PM

On 14 Oct 2003 11:38:29 -0700, (Diego Stutzer)
wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm really confused.
I simulate a simple serial R-C-L-Network (all in series).

As far as I know the total (input-)Impedance of the network is:
Z = R + jwL - j/(wC) resp. the resonance frequency (where Zin=R) is
1/sqrt(L*C).
At resonance frequency, the Impedance should be real and therefore in
my hummel opinion Voltage and Current schould be in phase.

The funny thing is, when i build up such a network in Schematics
(Cadence PSD 14.1/Orcad 9.2) and simulate it with the PSpice A/D
Simulator, the current is displaced (relative to the voltage) about
lambda/4 - obviously not in phase!?

Can anyone tell my where I made a mistake?


---

1
f = -------------
2pi(sqrt(LC))


--
John Fields

Pawel Stobinski October 14th 03 08:30 PM

Don Pearce wrote:
The impedance should be R + jwL + 1/(jwC)



1/j = j/j*j = j/-1 = -j

-j/wC = 1/jwC

--
Pawel Stobinski
Republic of Poland





Pawel Stobinski October 14th 03 08:30 PM

Don Pearce wrote:
The impedance should be R + jwL + 1/(jwC)



1/j = j/j*j = j/-1 = -j

-j/wC = 1/jwC

--
Pawel Stobinski
Republic of Poland





Diego Stutzer October 14th 03 10:32 PM


John Fields schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
...
On 14 Oct 2003 11:38:29 -0700,
(Diego Stutzer)
wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm really confused.
I simulate a simple serial R-C-L-Network (all in series).

As far as I know the total (input-)Impedance of the network is:
Z = R + jwL - j/(wC) resp. the resonance frequency (where Zin=R) is
1/sqrt(L*C).
At resonance frequency, the Impedance should be real and therefore in
my hummel opinion Voltage and Current schould be in phase.

The funny thing is, when i build up such a network in Schematics
(Cadence PSD 14.1/Orcad 9.2) and simulate it with the PSpice A/D
Simulator, the current is displaced (relative to the voltage) about
lambda/4 - obviously not in phase!?

Can anyone tell my where I made a mistake?


---

1
f = -------------
2pi(sqrt(LC))


--
John Fields


WOW!! Thank you soo much. The world is sound and the laws of physics apply
again. I just confused w (omega) and f.
Best Regards
D. Stutzer



Diego Stutzer October 14th 03 10:32 PM


John Fields schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
...
On 14 Oct 2003 11:38:29 -0700,
(Diego Stutzer)
wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm really confused.
I simulate a simple serial R-C-L-Network (all in series).

As far as I know the total (input-)Impedance of the network is:
Z = R + jwL - j/(wC) resp. the resonance frequency (where Zin=R) is
1/sqrt(L*C).
At resonance frequency, the Impedance should be real and therefore in
my hummel opinion Voltage and Current schould be in phase.

The funny thing is, when i build up such a network in Schematics
(Cadence PSD 14.1/Orcad 9.2) and simulate it with the PSpice A/D
Simulator, the current is displaced (relative to the voltage) about
lambda/4 - obviously not in phase!?

Can anyone tell my where I made a mistake?


---

1
f = -------------
2pi(sqrt(LC))


--
John Fields


WOW!! Thank you soo much. The world is sound and the laws of physics apply
again. I just confused w (omega) and f.
Best Regards
D. Stutzer



Michael October 15th 03 01:25 AM

The impedance should be R + jwL + 1/(jwC)


You sure?, how do the j parts cancel at resonance if they are both added?


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