jakdedert wrote:
I'd be careful about using aluminum for this. You could set up a situation
where over the years, the dissimilar metals would begin to react and cause
all sorts of gremlins.

I could be wrong about this, but judging by the debacle during the 70's
where a lot of aluminum wiring got installed in a lot of homes--and later
caused at least a few fires--I'd at least be cautious.

That was mostly hype stirred up by Jeraldo Riviera. Back when he
was still caucasion.

The real problem with aluminum wiring was three fold. 1. For a
given current ration, the aluminum wire has to be bigger than
copper. 2. Special terminations (screw and or compression type)
marked CuAl shoud be used along with a gel like "No-Ox" to protect
the connection 3. Proper torque on the fastenings is manditory.

Given the special requirements and the attitude of most workers
that "I know what I'm doing" of course it was a disaster.

I've also seen several places in my old houses where iron piping
was screwed directly into brass fittings. [ snip ] When finally
I got down to it, there was practically nothing of the threaded
end left, although the rest of the pipe was in good condition.

This is more the fault of the iron pipe. Not the bronze/brass
fittings. When you thread the end of a pipe, you remove the
galvanized coating. Exposed metal pipe = weak spot.

Jeff



--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived."
Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom"

Jeffrey D Angus wrote:


That was mostly hype stirred up by Geraldo Riviera. Back when he
was still caucasion.

The real problem with aluminum wiring was three fold. 1. For a
given current ration, the aluminum wire has to be bigger than
copper. 2. Special terminations (screw and or compression type)
marked CuAl shoud be used along with a gel like "No-Ox" to protect
the connection 3. Proper torque on the fastenings is manditory.

Given the special requirements and the attitude of most workers
that "I know what I'm doing" of course it was a disaster.

Jeff

Aluminum wiring really made the news after the "Beverly Hills"
Nightclub (Just across the Ohio river from Cincinnati, in Soutgate,
Kentucky) burnt down, and it was completely wired with aluminum wire.
The fire was so hot that there was little left to determine the quality
of the the wiring job. The nightclub was built with very nice, real wood
paneling (3/4" thick), and the heat of the fire vaporized a lot of the
wire and fixtures.

It was a very nice place. One of the TV manufacturers used to have
their annual classes there. I think it was Admiral, but its been so long
I really don't remember.

http://www.cincypost.com/bhfire/
--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Jeffrey D Angus wrote:


That was mostly hype stirred up by Geraldo Riviera. Back when he
was still caucasion.

The real problem with aluminum wiring was three fold. 1. For a
given current ration, the aluminum wire has to be bigger than
copper. 2. Special terminations (screw and or compression type)
marked CuAl shoud be used along with a gel like "No-Ox" to protect
the connection 3. Proper torque on the fastenings is manditory.

Given the special requirements and the attitude of most workers
that "I know what I'm doing" of course it was a disaster.

Jeff

Aluminum wiring really made the news after the "Beverly Hills"
Nightclub (Just across the Ohio river from Cincinnati, in Soutgate,
Kentucky) burnt down, and it was completely wired with aluminum wire.
The fire was so hot that there was little left to determine the quality
of the the wiring job. The nightclub was built with very nice, real wood
paneling (3/4" thick), and the heat of the fire vaporized a lot of the
wire and fixtures.

It was a very nice place. One of the TV manufacturers used to have
their annual classes there. I think it was Admiral, but its been so long
I really don't remember.

http://www.cincypost.com/bhfire/
--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

jakdedert wrote:

and small cabinets/ enclosures.

My stock of double sided epoxy board is a 4 ft by 4 ft sheet I bought at a
hamfest for $20 or 25 IIRC. I have some smaller pieces left over from the
past.

If you don't want to solder partitions or sides, you might do as I and buy

a

10-ft length of extruded aluminum angle, 0.25 inches on a side. This way

you

can screw things together without worrying about overheating /

delaminating

the PC board. You can also take things apart if needed :-(



I'd be careful about using aluminum for this. You could set up a situation
where over the years, the dissimilar metals would begin to react and cause
all sorts of gremlins. I'd think you'd want to use copper or brass angle
stock, which is also available, albeit more expensive...or plastic; or even
wood.

You can tin the edge of the PCB and avoid this for the most part.

-Bill

jakdedert wrote:

and small cabinets/ enclosures.

My stock of double sided epoxy board is a 4 ft by 4 ft sheet I bought at a
hamfest for $20 or 25 IIRC. I have some smaller pieces left over from the
past.

If you don't want to solder partitions or sides, you might do as I and buy

a

10-ft length of extruded aluminum angle, 0.25 inches on a side. This way

you

can screw things together without worrying about overheating /

delaminating

the PC board. You can also take things apart if needed :-(



I'd be careful about using aluminum for this. You could set up a situation
where over the years, the dissimilar metals would begin to react and cause
all sorts of gremlins. I'd think you'd want to use copper or brass angle
stock, which is also available, albeit more expensive...or plastic; or even
wood.

You can tin the edge of the PCB and avoid this for the most part.

-Bill

"Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message
...
jakdedert wrote:
I'd be careful about using aluminum for this. You could set up a
situation
where over the years, the dissimilar metals would begin to react and
cause
all sorts of gremlins.

I could be wrong about this, but judging by the debacle during the 70's
where a lot of aluminum wiring got installed in a lot of homes--and
later
caused at least a few fires--I'd at least be cautious.

That was mostly hype stirred up by Jeraldo Riviera. Back when he
was still caucasion.

The real problem with aluminum wiring was three fold. 1. For a
given current ration, the aluminum wire has to be bigger than
copper. 2. Special terminations (screw and or compression type)
marked CuAl shoud be used along with a gel like "No-Ox" to protect
the connection 3. Proper torque on the fastenings is manditory.

Given the special requirements and the attitude of most workers
that "I know what I'm doing" of course it was a disaster.

I've also seen several places in my old houses where iron piping
was screwed directly into brass fittings. [ snip ] When finally
I got down to it, there was practically nothing of the threaded
end left, although the rest of the pipe was in good condition.

This is more the fault of the iron pipe. Not the bronze/brass
fittings. When you thread the end of a pipe, you remove the
galvanized coating. Exposed metal pipe = weak spot.

That might be the case if every iron pipe also exhibited this effect. The
only place I've found it was when an iron pipe was mated with a brass
fitting. A similar situation occurred in my kitchen wall, where the faucets
(mounted on the wall) were connected to the brass elbows nailed to the studs
with a short iron pipe. The ends of both pipes were corroded to hell within
the brass. I had to dig the rotton bits of iron out of the brass threads
(not as difficult as it sounds, the iron was completely oxidised and
crumbling) without damaging the brass. Otherwise, I'd have to had opened up
the wall to replace the elbows. Just a few years later, when the kitchen
was remodeled and a more conventional sink installed, the replacement pipes
were already noticably corroded. Any time two dissimilar metals are placed
in contact with each other, galvanic action occurs. Given a bit of
moisture, corrosion occurs; thus the No-Ox paste for copper to aluminum
terminals.

A Galvanic chart appears on this manufacturers website:
http://www.katonet.com/Techinfo/News...may-jun-00.htm

jak

Jeff



--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived."
Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom"

"Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message
...
jakdedert wrote:
I'd be careful about using aluminum for this. You could set up a
situation
where over the years, the dissimilar metals would begin to react and
cause
all sorts of gremlins.

I could be wrong about this, but judging by the debacle during the 70's
where a lot of aluminum wiring got installed in a lot of homes--and
later
caused at least a few fires--I'd at least be cautious.

That was mostly hype stirred up by Jeraldo Riviera. Back when he
was still caucasion.

The real problem with aluminum wiring was three fold. 1. For a
given current ration, the aluminum wire has to be bigger than
copper. 2. Special terminations (screw and or compression type)
marked CuAl shoud be used along with a gel like "No-Ox" to protect
the connection 3. Proper torque on the fastenings is manditory.

Given the special requirements and the attitude of most workers
that "I know what I'm doing" of course it was a disaster.

I've also seen several places in my old houses where iron piping
was screwed directly into brass fittings. [ snip ] When finally
I got down to it, there was practically nothing of the threaded
end left, although the rest of the pipe was in good condition.

This is more the fault of the iron pipe. Not the bronze/brass
fittings. When you thread the end of a pipe, you remove the
galvanized coating. Exposed metal pipe = weak spot.

That might be the case if every iron pipe also exhibited this effect. The
only place I've found it was when an iron pipe was mated with a brass
fitting. A similar situation occurred in my kitchen wall, where the faucets
(mounted on the wall) were connected to the brass elbows nailed to the studs
with a short iron pipe. The ends of both pipes were corroded to hell within
the brass. I had to dig the rotton bits of iron out of the brass threads
(not as difficult as it sounds, the iron was completely oxidised and
crumbling) without damaging the brass. Otherwise, I'd have to had opened up
the wall to replace the elbows. Just a few years later, when the kitchen
was remodeled and a more conventional sink installed, the replacement pipes
were already noticably corroded. Any time two dissimilar metals are placed
in contact with each other, galvanic action occurs. Given a bit of
moisture, corrosion occurs; thus the No-Ox paste for copper to aluminum
terminals.

A Galvanic chart appears on this manufacturers website:
http://www.katonet.com/Techinfo/News...may-jun-00.htm

jak

Jeff



--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived."
Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom"

"--exray--" wrote in message
...
jakdedert wrote:

and small cabinets/ enclosures.

My stock of double sided epoxy board is a 4 ft by 4 ft sheet I bought at
a
hamfest for $20 or 25 IIRC. I have some smaller pieces left over from
the
past.

If you don't want to solder partitions or sides, you might do as I and
buy

a

10-ft length of extruded aluminum angle, 0.25 inches on a side. This way

you

can screw things together without worrying about overheating /

delaminating

the PC board. You can also take things apart if needed :-(



I'd be careful about using aluminum for this. You could set up a
situation
where over the years, the dissimilar metals would begin to react and
cause
all sorts of gremlins. I'd think you'd want to use copper or brass
angle
stock, which is also available, albeit more expensive...or plastic; or
even
wood.

You can tin the edge of the PCB and avoid this for the most part.

-Bill

Probably, but the object was to eliminate heating the copper board. Other
coatings would work, as well. Zinc chromate primer is what they use in
aircraft construction.

jak

"--exray--" wrote in message
...
jakdedert wrote:

and small cabinets/ enclosures.

My stock of double sided epoxy board is a 4 ft by 4 ft sheet I bought at
a
hamfest for $20 or 25 IIRC. I have some smaller pieces left over from
the
past.

If you don't want to solder partitions or sides, you might do as I and
buy

a

10-ft length of extruded aluminum angle, 0.25 inches on a side. This way

you

can screw things together without worrying about overheating /

delaminating

the PC board. You can also take things apart if needed :-(



I'd be careful about using aluminum for this. You could set up a
situation
where over the years, the dissimilar metals would begin to react and
cause
all sorts of gremlins. I'd think you'd want to use copper or brass
angle
stock, which is also available, albeit more expensive...or plastic; or
even
wood.

You can tin the edge of the PCB and avoid this for the most part.

-Bill

Probably, but the object was to eliminate heating the copper board. Other
coatings would work, as well. Zinc chromate primer is what they use in
aircraft construction.

jak

In article ,
jakdedert wrote:

I've also seen several places in my old houses where iron piping
was screwed directly into brass fittings. [ snip ] When finally
I got down to it, there was practically nothing of the threaded
end left, although the rest of the pipe was in good condition.

This is more the fault of the iron pipe. Not the bronze/brass
fittings. When you thread the end of a pipe, you remove the
galvanized coating. Exposed metal pipe = weak spot.

That might be the case if every iron pipe also exhibited this effect. The
only place I've found it was when an iron pipe was mated with a brass
fitting.

The hardware stores around here sell special unions, with insulated
threaded fittings, for mating iron/steel pipes to brass. I've
pondered whether these might be useful for making certain forms of
(non-DC-connected) copper-tubing J-pole antennas.

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