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Double Cotton-Covered Wire - where to obtain?
Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave |
David Forsyth wrote:
Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
David Forsyth wrote:
Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
In article , "Michael A. Terrell"
writes: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. I don't think that Belden or Alpha has made that kind of wire for at least 2 decades. Got both of their big factory catalogs here and all I find is "magnet wire" in either light or heavy (two coat) plastic insulation. My new Mouser catalog has only part of two pages with "magnet wire," both being the equivalent to old "enamel covered coil wire." Might try the search engine at Digi-Key, but I doubt there will be any success. Last I was at a place that rewound electric motors was 8 years ago and they had only heavy plastic covered "magnet wire." The old cotton-coverd coil wire was okay 4 to 5 decades ago but doesn't offer much for coil building except for the cotton insulation being excellent to absorb shellac that will dry and hold everything together very nicely. Actually, back in the old days, a ceresin wax application was more likely to be applied...dried quicker and moved the product through production faster. I happen to like McCloskey "Gym-Seal" floor varnish to coat home-wound inductors, solenoidal to toroidal...it's all petroleum-based, not a polyurethane, and doesn't come loose in high moisture environments like some polyurethanes. "Gym-Seal" seems to stick to polyester and polyamide magnet wire coatings very well. There's a slight difference in distributed capacity between DCC and enameled wire, DCC usually being slightly less (any coating applied over it will change that to not less). Not enough distributed capacity to worry about in my estimation. There's a slight difference in inductance for a given coil form dimension between DCC and enamel-covered, the DCC having slightly less for the same number of turns. Again, not enough to worry about. Len Anderson retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person |
In article , "Michael A. Terrell"
writes: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. I don't think that Belden or Alpha has made that kind of wire for at least 2 decades. Got both of their big factory catalogs here and all I find is "magnet wire" in either light or heavy (two coat) plastic insulation. My new Mouser catalog has only part of two pages with "magnet wire," both being the equivalent to old "enamel covered coil wire." Might try the search engine at Digi-Key, but I doubt there will be any success. Last I was at a place that rewound electric motors was 8 years ago and they had only heavy plastic covered "magnet wire." The old cotton-coverd coil wire was okay 4 to 5 decades ago but doesn't offer much for coil building except for the cotton insulation being excellent to absorb shellac that will dry and hold everything together very nicely. Actually, back in the old days, a ceresin wax application was more likely to be applied...dried quicker and moved the product through production faster. I happen to like McCloskey "Gym-Seal" floor varnish to coat home-wound inductors, solenoidal to toroidal...it's all petroleum-based, not a polyurethane, and doesn't come loose in high moisture environments like some polyurethanes. "Gym-Seal" seems to stick to polyester and polyamide magnet wire coatings very well. There's a slight difference in distributed capacity between DCC and enameled wire, DCC usually being slightly less (any coating applied over it will change that to not less). Not enough distributed capacity to worry about in my estimation. There's a slight difference in inductance for a given coil form dimension between DCC and enamel-covered, the DCC having slightly less for the same number of turns. Again, not enough to worry about. Len Anderson retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person |
Avery Fineman wrote:
In article , "Michael A. Terrell" writes: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. I don't think that Belden or Alpha has made that kind of wire for at least 2 decades. Got both of their big factory catalogs here and all I find is "magnet wire" in either light or heavy (two coat) plastic insulation. My new Mouser catalog has only part of two pages with "magnet wire," both being the equivalent to old "enamel covered coil wire." Might try the search engine at Digi-Key, but I doubt there will be any success. Last I was at a place that rewound electric motors was 8 years ago and they had only heavy plastic covered "magnet wire." The old cotton-coverd coil wire was okay 4 to 5 decades ago but doesn't offer much for coil building except for the cotton insulation being excellent to absorb shellac that will dry and hold everything together very nicely. Actually, back in the old days, a ceresin wax application was more likely to be applied...dried quicker and moved the product through production faster. I happen to like McCloskey "Gym-Seal" floor varnish to coat home-wound inductors, solenoidal to toroidal...it's all petroleum-based, not a polyurethane, and doesn't come loose in high moisture environments like some polyurethanes. "Gym-Seal" seems to stick to polyester and polyamide magnet wire coatings very well. There's a slight difference in distributed capacity between DCC and enameled wire, DCC usually being slightly less (any coating applied over it will change that to not less). Not enough distributed capacity to worry about in my estimation. There's a slight difference in inductance for a given coil form dimension between DCC and enamel-covered, the DCC having slightly less for the same number of turns. Again, not enough to worry about. Len Anderson retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person The last cotton covered wire I used was around 1970. I bought a large spool surplus to make a bunch of heavy duty degaussing coils for early color TV sets. 300 turns of 17 AWG DCC, double enameled wire that was surplused by Picker X-ray, and sold to Mendelson's, in Dayton Ohio. They had hundreds of partial spools, and I think they still had some in 1987, (The last time I was at their store in Dayton, Ohio) It was still listed in the last belden and Alpha catalogs I received, but I would have to dig them out to get the dates. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
Avery Fineman wrote:
In article , "Michael A. Terrell" writes: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. I don't think that Belden or Alpha has made that kind of wire for at least 2 decades. Got both of their big factory catalogs here and all I find is "magnet wire" in either light or heavy (two coat) plastic insulation. My new Mouser catalog has only part of two pages with "magnet wire," both being the equivalent to old "enamel covered coil wire." Might try the search engine at Digi-Key, but I doubt there will be any success. Last I was at a place that rewound electric motors was 8 years ago and they had only heavy plastic covered "magnet wire." The old cotton-coverd coil wire was okay 4 to 5 decades ago but doesn't offer much for coil building except for the cotton insulation being excellent to absorb shellac that will dry and hold everything together very nicely. Actually, back in the old days, a ceresin wax application was more likely to be applied...dried quicker and moved the product through production faster. I happen to like McCloskey "Gym-Seal" floor varnish to coat home-wound inductors, solenoidal to toroidal...it's all petroleum-based, not a polyurethane, and doesn't come loose in high moisture environments like some polyurethanes. "Gym-Seal" seems to stick to polyester and polyamide magnet wire coatings very well. There's a slight difference in distributed capacity between DCC and enameled wire, DCC usually being slightly less (any coating applied over it will change that to not less). Not enough distributed capacity to worry about in my estimation. There's a slight difference in inductance for a given coil form dimension between DCC and enamel-covered, the DCC having slightly less for the same number of turns. Again, not enough to worry about. Len Anderson retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person The last cotton covered wire I used was around 1970. I bought a large spool surplus to make a bunch of heavy duty degaussing coils for early color TV sets. 300 turns of 17 AWG DCC, double enameled wire that was surplused by Picker X-ray, and sold to Mendelson's, in Dayton Ohio. They had hundreds of partial spools, and I think they still had some in 1987, (The last time I was at their store in Dayton, Ohio) It was still listed in the last belden and Alpha catalogs I received, but I would have to dig them out to get the dates. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"BFoelsch" wrote in message ... For disbelievers, I have posted a photo over on alt.binaries.pictures.radio showing a miniscule section of a 1972 vintage pipe organ relay with hundreds of conductors of white DCC conductors. Tell me about it!! Back in the 1950s I helped restore a pipe organ that was removed from a movie theater. The guy removing it just wanted to scrap the pipes for their metal, but died shortly after he started the process. A friend got it free, just for getting it out of there. This was a four manual Wurlitzer. All the cable bundles had been cut with an axe!! It took a whole summer to buzz out *thousands* of wires and get two ranks of pipes playing on two manuals. 73, John - K6QQ |
"BFoelsch" wrote in message ... For disbelievers, I have posted a photo over on alt.binaries.pictures.radio showing a miniscule section of a 1972 vintage pipe organ relay with hundreds of conductors of white DCC conductors. Tell me about it!! Back in the 1950s I helped restore a pipe organ that was removed from a movie theater. The guy removing it just wanted to scrap the pipes for their metal, but died shortly after he started the process. A friend got it free, just for getting it out of there. This was a four manual Wurlitzer. All the cable bundles had been cut with an axe!! It took a whole summer to buzz out *thousands* of wires and get two ranks of pipes playing on two manuals. 73, John - K6QQ |
Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both Radio Daze (www.radiodaze.com) and Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) list cotton-covered wire in their catalogs for radio restoration. |
Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both Radio Daze (www.radiodaze.com) and Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) list cotton-covered wire in their catalogs for radio restoration. |
"David Forsyth" wrote in message
... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Dave - Contrary to what has been posted, cotton cloth braiding machines still exist -- even at the big wire manufacturers -- however today they are usually used for special orders. Now, Odis W. LeVrier OWNS a cloth braider and makes beautiful replacement cloth wire for antique telephones (cloth covered tinsel, cloth covered line cords, desk set cords) Photos are on his web page. Please contact Odis directly for your special requests or orders - he may be able to accommodate! http://www.houseoftelephones.com/index.htm Other "urban legend" - No one is fixing classic WE, AE, SC telephones anymore - WRONG Steve Hilsz just fixed my Dad's old Northern Electric desk phone - now worth over $ 200 in collectable/antique telephone market ! You should see what the original candlesticks sell for !! http://www.navysalvage.com/ w9gb |
"David Forsyth" wrote in message
... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Dave - Contrary to what has been posted, cotton cloth braiding machines still exist -- even at the big wire manufacturers -- however today they are usually used for special orders. Now, Odis W. LeVrier OWNS a cloth braider and makes beautiful replacement cloth wire for antique telephones (cloth covered tinsel, cloth covered line cords, desk set cords) Photos are on his web page. Please contact Odis directly for your special requests or orders - he may be able to accommodate! http://www.houseoftelephones.com/index.htm Other "urban legend" - No one is fixing classic WE, AE, SC telephones anymore - WRONG Steve Hilsz just fixed my Dad's old Northern Electric desk phone - now worth over $ 200 in collectable/antique telephone market ! You should see what the original candlesticks sell for !! http://www.navysalvage.com/ w9gb |
As far as I can see, these web sites are offering cloth-covered stranded
wire, such as would be used for hook-ups under chassis and such. I'm looking for "D.C.C." wire such as was used for winding coils. I guess it would be considered "magnet wire" ? Dave "Geoffrey G. Rochat" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both Radio Daze (www.radiodaze.com) and Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) list cotton-covered wire in their catalogs for radio restoration. |
As far as I can see, these web sites are offering cloth-covered stranded
wire, such as would be used for hook-ups under chassis and such. I'm looking for "D.C.C." wire such as was used for winding coils. I guess it would be considered "magnet wire" ? Dave "Geoffrey G. Rochat" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both Radio Daze (www.radiodaze.com) and Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) list cotton-covered wire in their catalogs for radio restoration. |
Thanks for the tip, Michael. I checked out the Belden and Alpha web sites
as well as Allied and Newark, and I didnt see anything about D.C.C. or cotton-covered wire. Perhaps I sould be looking under a different name? Dave "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
Thanks for the tip, Michael. I checked out the Belden and Alpha web sites
as well as Allied and Newark, and I didnt see anything about D.C.C. or cotton-covered wire. Perhaps I sould be looking under a different name? Dave "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave Both belden and Alpha made it, so I would start with Newark, Allied, or another large OEM distributor. Also, see if there is a motor rewinding shop in your area that might use it on small motors. You might pick up a partial spool at a decent price. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Thanks for the tip, Michael. I checked out the Belden and Alpha web sites as well as Allied and Newark, and I didnt see anything about D.C.C. or cotton-covered wire. Perhaps I sould be looking under a different name? Perhaps this is what you are looking for??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=72 75 |
"David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Thanks for the tip, Michael. I checked out the Belden and Alpha web sites as well as Allied and Newark, and I didnt see anything about D.C.C. or cotton-covered wire. Perhaps I sould be looking under a different name? Perhaps this is what you are looking for??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=72 75 |
G.Beat wrote:
Contrary to what has been posted, cotton cloth braiding machines still exist -- even at the big wire manufacturers -- however today they are usually used for special orders. Now, Odis W. LeVrier OWNS a cloth braider and makes beautiful replacement cloth wire for antique telephones (cloth covered tinsel, cloth covered line cords, desk set cords) Photos are on his web page. Please contact Odis directly for your special requests or orders - he may be able to accommodate! http://www.houseoftelephones.com/index.htm I think Charles Days in So. Dartmouth, Mass also makes the wire. (He collects old textile machinery) He used to be quite regular here but I haven't seen him posting in quite a while. He was juggling email addresses towards the end and I recall the most recent to be . His mailing address is on qrz.com-ham call WA1JFD. -Bill |
G.Beat wrote:
Contrary to what has been posted, cotton cloth braiding machines still exist -- even at the big wire manufacturers -- however today they are usually used for special orders. Now, Odis W. LeVrier OWNS a cloth braider and makes beautiful replacement cloth wire for antique telephones (cloth covered tinsel, cloth covered line cords, desk set cords) Photos are on his web page. Please contact Odis directly for your special requests or orders - he may be able to accommodate! http://www.houseoftelephones.com/index.htm I think Charles Days in So. Dartmouth, Mass also makes the wire. (He collects old textile machinery) He used to be quite regular here but I haven't seen him posting in quite a while. He was juggling email addresses towards the end and I recall the most recent to be . His mailing address is on qrz.com-ham call WA1JFD. -Bill |
David Forsyth wrote:
As far as I can see, these web sites are offering cloth-covered stranded wire, such as would be used for hook-ups under chassis and such. I'm looking for "D.C.C." wire such as was used for winding coils. I guess it would be considered "magnet wire" ? Dave "Magnet wire" is not fabric-insulated. Instead, it has a coating of varnish, formvar, etc. It will work well for winding coils, but it won't look like DCC. Bill Jeffrey |
David Forsyth wrote:
As far as I can see, these web sites are offering cloth-covered stranded wire, such as would be used for hook-ups under chassis and such. I'm looking for "D.C.C." wire such as was used for winding coils. I guess it would be considered "magnet wire" ? Dave "Magnet wire" is not fabric-insulated. Instead, it has a coating of varnish, formvar, etc. It will work well for winding coils, but it won't look like DCC. Bill Jeffrey |
To the best of my knowledge, the last "high-volume" use of DCC wire was
making cables for pipe organs. The pipe organ guys used it because you could treat it as pushback wire, and that saved time due to the many thousands of connections and conductors a typical pipe organ contains. The last manufacturer was, I believe, the Philadelphia Insulated Wire Company. This stuff was getting very hard to find around 1980, I have no real reason to suspect that it is made at all any more. But, I am sure that there is a lot of it laying around. I just don't have any! "David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave |
To the best of my knowledge, the last "high-volume" use of DCC wire was
making cables for pipe organs. The pipe organ guys used it because you could treat it as pushback wire, and that saved time due to the many thousands of connections and conductors a typical pipe organ contains. The last manufacturer was, I believe, the Philadelphia Insulated Wire Company. This stuff was getting very hard to find around 1980, I have no real reason to suspect that it is made at all any more. But, I am sure that there is a lot of it laying around. I just don't have any! "David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave |
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:11:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: The last cotton covered wire I used was around 1970. I bought a large spool surplus to make a bunch of heavy duty degaussing coils for early color TV sets. 300 turns of 17 AWG DCC, double enameled wire that was surplused by Picker X-ray, and sold to Mendelson's, in Dayton Ohio. They had hundreds of partial spools, and I think they still had some in 1987, (The last time I was at their store in Dayton, Ohio) It was still listed in the last belden and Alpha catalogs I received, but I would have to dig them out to get the dates. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Just curious. I got some spools from a friend, but don't really know when it is an advantage to use the cotton covered wire instead of the normal enamelled copper wire. Used it for some VLF purposes to make lower self capacitance of coils, but appying single strand wire was just to use what was available instead of multistranded wire 73 Jan-Martin, LA8AK http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c.htm -- remove ,xnd to reply (Spam precaution!) |
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:11:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: The last cotton covered wire I used was around 1970. I bought a large spool surplus to make a bunch of heavy duty degaussing coils for early color TV sets. 300 turns of 17 AWG DCC, double enameled wire that was surplused by Picker X-ray, and sold to Mendelson's, in Dayton Ohio. They had hundreds of partial spools, and I think they still had some in 1987, (The last time I was at their store in Dayton, Ohio) It was still listed in the last belden and Alpha catalogs I received, but I would have to dig them out to get the dates. -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Just curious. I got some spools from a friend, but don't really know when it is an advantage to use the cotton covered wire instead of the normal enamelled copper wire. Used it for some VLF purposes to make lower self capacitance of coils, but appying single strand wire was just to use what was available instead of multistranded wire 73 Jan-Martin, LA8AK http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c.htm -- remove ,xnd to reply (Spam precaution!) |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:16 GMT "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both belden and Alpha made it How sure are you of this? I don't recall seeing it in the Belden catalog, and when I built a Tesla coil in the 50s a Belden engineer helped me (Belden is still located in the town where I grew up, a GREAT field trip, BTW.) The instructions we were following called for DCC magnet wire, but we couldn't buy any even then. The Belden engineer even inquired to see if their prototype shop could whip up a batch just for us, but they didn't have any way to do it by then. I suspect that it's been 50 years since anyone in the US has made SCC, DCC, SSC, or DSC wire. Everyone remember those? - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:16 GMT "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both belden and Alpha made it How sure are you of this? I don't recall seeing it in the Belden catalog, and when I built a Tesla coil in the 50s a Belden engineer helped me (Belden is still located in the town where I grew up, a GREAT field trip, BTW.) The instructions we were following called for DCC magnet wire, but we couldn't buy any even then. The Belden engineer even inquired to see if their prototype shop could whip up a batch just for us, but they didn't have any way to do it by then. I suspect that it's been 50 years since anyone in the US has made SCC, DCC, SSC, or DSC wire. Everyone remember those? - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- |
As I mentioned in another post, I was using good quantities of it (on a
"serious hobby" basis), in 22 - 26 awg until the late 1970's. Curiously, until that time you could also buy DCC cable, 20 - 26 awg, conductors were bundled in groups of 11 and the whole assembly was enclosed in PVC and impregnated with paraffin; this cable again being a specialty item for the pipe organ market. I also remember silk covered wire, somewhere around here I have a small roll of #40 silk covered. I always loved those cute little wooden rolls that old magnet wire came on, kind of like a giant roll of thread. I am trying to remember some of the manufacturers, maybe I'll look around and see if I still have an old spool laying around with a label on it. "Jim Adney" wrote in message ... On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:16 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both belden and Alpha made it How sure are you of this? I don't recall seeing it in the Belden catalog, and when I built a Tesla coil in the 50s a Belden engineer helped me (Belden is still located in the town where I grew up, a GREAT field trip, BTW.) The instructions we were following called for DCC magnet wire, but we couldn't buy any even then. The Belden engineer even inquired to see if their prototype shop could whip up a batch just for us, but they didn't have any way to do it by then. I suspect that it's been 50 years since anyone in the US has made SCC, DCC, SSC, or DSC wire. Everyone remember those? - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- |
As I mentioned in another post, I was using good quantities of it (on a
"serious hobby" basis), in 22 - 26 awg until the late 1970's. Curiously, until that time you could also buy DCC cable, 20 - 26 awg, conductors were bundled in groups of 11 and the whole assembly was enclosed in PVC and impregnated with paraffin; this cable again being a specialty item for the pipe organ market. I also remember silk covered wire, somewhere around here I have a small roll of #40 silk covered. I always loved those cute little wooden rolls that old magnet wire came on, kind of like a giant roll of thread. I am trying to remember some of the manufacturers, maybe I'll look around and see if I still have an old spool laying around with a label on it. "Jim Adney" wrote in message ... On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:16 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: David Forsyth wrote: Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? Both belden and Alpha made it How sure are you of this? I don't recall seeing it in the Belden catalog, and when I built a Tesla coil in the 50s a Belden engineer helped me (Belden is still located in the town where I grew up, a GREAT field trip, BTW.) The instructions we were following called for DCC magnet wire, but we couldn't buy any even then. The Belden engineer even inquired to see if their prototype shop could whip up a batch just for us, but they didn't have any way to do it by then. I suspect that it's been 50 years since anyone in the US has made SCC, DCC, SSC, or DSC wire. Everyone remember those? - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- |
Herman Gross has been advertising 22AWG cotton covered
enamel wire in ARC for ages. W9ITT. Pete email sent via private mail. "David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave |
Herman Gross has been advertising 22AWG cotton covered
enamel wire in ARC for ages. W9ITT. Pete email sent via private mail. "David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave |
Antique Electronic Supply has it. Thay have a web site.
Bill, N5NOB |
Antique Electronic Supply has it. Thay have a web site.
Bill, N5NOB |
Well it is not DCC ... but 2 bobbins of DC 20 AWG just appeared on eBay !
Item number: 3056601638 GB "David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave |
Well it is not DCC ... but 2 bobbins of DC 20 AWG just appeared on eBay !
Item number: 3056601638 GB "David Forsyth" wrote in message ... Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers. Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand? thanks, Dave |
Hi,
BFoelsch wrote: To the best of my knowledge, the last "high-volume" use of DCC wire was making cables for pipe organs. The pipe organ guys used it because you could treat it as pushback wire, and that saved time due to the many thousands of connections and conductors a typical pipe organ contains. Tell me about it. Hundreds of wires cabled together, all the same color. There oughtta be a law. And: I also remember silk covered wire, somewhere around here I have a small roll of #40 silk covered. I always loved those cute little wooden rolls that old magnet wire came on, kind of like a giant roll of thread. I am trying to remember some of the manufacturers, maybe I'll look around and see if I still have an old spool laying around with a label on it. Belden (ha ha), Birnbach, Cornish Wire Co. on mine. I definitely don't want to go into the supply business, but if anyone absolutely *has* to have silk wire, I have spools of 31, 33, 34, 35 and 40 DSC, 38 double nylon, and 10x38 and 10x41 silk litz. Cheers, Alan |
Hi,
BFoelsch wrote: To the best of my knowledge, the last "high-volume" use of DCC wire was making cables for pipe organs. The pipe organ guys used it because you could treat it as pushback wire, and that saved time due to the many thousands of connections and conductors a typical pipe organ contains. Tell me about it. Hundreds of wires cabled together, all the same color. There oughtta be a law. And: I also remember silk covered wire, somewhere around here I have a small roll of #40 silk covered. I always loved those cute little wooden rolls that old magnet wire came on, kind of like a giant roll of thread. I am trying to remember some of the manufacturers, maybe I'll look around and see if I still have an old spool laying around with a label on it. Belden (ha ha), Birnbach, Cornish Wire Co. on mine. I definitely don't want to go into the supply business, but if anyone absolutely *has* to have silk wire, I have spools of 31, 33, 34, 35 and 40 DSC, 38 double nylon, and 10x38 and 10x41 silk litz. Cheers, Alan |
For disbelievers, I have posted a photo over on alt.binaries.pictures.radio
showing a miniscule section of a 1972 vintage pipe organ relay with hundreds of conductors of white DCC conductors. "Alan Douglas" adouglasatgis.net wrote in message ... Hi, BFoelsch wrote: To the best of my knowledge, the last "high-volume" use of DCC wire was making cables for pipe organs. The pipe organ guys used it because you could treat it as pushback wire, and that saved time due to the many thousands of connections and conductors a typical pipe organ contains. Tell me about it. Hundreds of wires cabled together, all the same color. There oughtta be a law. |
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