"RP Jones" wrote in message . ..
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

what is a good spectrum analyzer to have for a home shop in your
opinion, and also what is a good scope to have and do you have to
break the bank on this stuff? thanks.

The saddest problems I have found with the HP gear is purely their own
fault. When they made the horizontal timing knobs for their 80's
vintage scopes, they made them out of plastic, and carved large slots in
the space between the outer part you turn with your fingers and the
inner part that turns the knob. This left very little plastic to take
the torque of turning the knob. Once they break there is no easy way
of repairing them.

The other big problem is their use of delrin gears with aluminum hubs
just about everywhere. And after 15 years, they are all broken. The
HP8640B is built like a tank, but everyone I have ever had came with
several gears that had split due to shrinkage.

-Chuck

RP Jones wrote:
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and

isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

"RP Jones" wrote in message . ..
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

what is a good spectrum analyzer to have for a home shop in your
opinion, and also what is a good scope to have and do you have to
break the bank on this stuff? thanks.

In (rec.radio.amateur.homebrew), gw wrote:

isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

My experience is that HP scopes are OK-to-great, while Tek scopes
are excellent-to-superb. Similarly, HP generators and analyzers are
excellent-to-superb, while OK-to-great.

There are other manufacturers that make excellent-to-superb hardware,
such as Fluke.

--
Mike Andrews

Tired old sysadmin

With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

RP Jones wrote:
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

The repair depot in Washington DC has one old guy who likes working on the
older gear, and has some limited parts supply for them. Last year he spent
an awful lot of time getting the 100V supply on my 610 video monitor working
reliably, and I can strongly recommend the DC folks.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"RP Jones" wrote in message .. .
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

RP Jones wrote:
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

The repair depot in Washington DC has one old guy who likes working on the
older gear, and has some limited parts supply for them. Last year he spent
an awful lot of time getting the 100V supply on my 610 video monitor working
reliably, and I can strongly recommend the DC folks.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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In article , W7TI
writes:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:40:03 GMT, Larry Johnson
wrote:

Frank - this is how big business works. They're not in business to do
favors for you, they're in business to make money. Period.

_________________________________________________ ________

Not true. Like all businesses, Tek must please their customers while
making money or soon there will be no customers. The trick is to strike
the right balance. Tektronix has been in business for ~50 years now, so
I'd say they are doing it right.

--
Bill, W7TI

p.s. I'm an ex-employee, so grains of salt will be distributed as
necessary.

Bill, I've never worked for Tektronix. My personal oscilloscope is a
Philips 50 MHz dual-trace used demo unit bought at a fair deal from a
Philips representative in 1981. On the other hand, I've been very
much acquainted with their line of instruments since 1954 and can
say that their quality, maintainability, and holding-of-accuracy is
excellent. I can afford them for contract jobs...just can't afford them
for personal use.

The price of ALL electronics instruments has constantly gone up in
the last half century...the major reason probably in that the
performance and range and flexibility has also increased...which
leads to the various companies amortizing new instrument
development costs back to the buyers. Like TS for all those who
want high-performance goodies at Knight-Kit prices.

Len Anderson
retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person