On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:36:38 -0500, Radioman wrote:

Come to think of it, HP ain't the old HP anymore, huh?

They even advertise, The New HP!

IIRC HP broke into several different companies - the one that makes
computers absorbed Compaq (or was it the other way around) and the
one that makes printer stuff is the "new HP".

The one that made (from the start) and still makes some of the best
test equipment now has a new name.

It shudd'a been the other way around.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:36:38 -0500, Radioman wrote:

Come to think of it, HP ain't the old HP anymore, huh?

They even advertise, The New HP!

IIRC HP broke into several different companies - the one that makes
computers absorbed Compaq (or was it the other way around) and the
one that makes printer stuff is the "new HP".

The one that made (from the start) and still makes some of the best
test equipment now has a new name.

It shudd'a been the other way around.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

On a "real" basis -- adjusted for inflation -- the cost of instruments has
been going down. a TEK7704a with 4 plug-ins cost as much as a car when it
was introduced -- today you can get same performance (well actually more
since you have FFT and math) in a TDS3034 for 1/2 the price of a car.

The price of ALL electronics instruments has constantly gone up in
the last half century...the major reason probably in that the
performance and range and flexibility has also increased...which
leads to the various companies amortizing new instrument
development costs back to the buyers. Like TS for all those who
want high-performance goodies at Knight-Kit prices.

Len Anderson
retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person

On a "real" basis -- adjusted for inflation -- the cost of instruments has
been going down. a TEK7704a with 4 plug-ins cost as much as a car when it
was introduced -- today you can get same performance (well actually more
since you have FFT and math) in a TDS3034 for 1/2 the price of a car.

The price of ALL electronics instruments has constantly gone up in
the last half century...the major reason probably in that the
performance and range and flexibility has also increased...which
leads to the various companies amortizing new instrument
development costs back to the buyers. Like TS for all those who
want high-performance goodies at Knight-Kit prices.

Len Anderson
retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person

I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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"RP Jones" wrote in message .. .
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

"RP Jones" wrote in message .. .
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

In (rec.radio.amateur.homebrew), gw wrote:

isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

My experience is that HP scopes are OK-to-great, while Tek scopes
are excellent-to-superb. Similarly, HP generators and analyzers are
excellent-to-superb, while OK-to-great.

There are other manufacturers that make excellent-to-superb hardware,
such as Fluke.

--
Mike Andrews

Tired old sysadmin

In (rec.radio.amateur.homebrew), gw wrote:

isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

My experience is that HP scopes are OK-to-great, while Tek scopes
are excellent-to-superb. Similarly, HP generators and analyzers are
excellent-to-superb, while OK-to-great.

There are other manufacturers that make excellent-to-superb hardware,
such as Fluke.

--
Mike Andrews

Tired old sysadmin