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I read in sci.electronics.design that Ian White, G3SEK
wrote (in ) about 'Measuring radiation resistance', on Mon, 8 Dec 2003: I'm looking forward to making some outdoor antenna measurements using the new N2PK vector network analyser Is N2PK a call-sign? Are there any details of this analyser on the Internet? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:58:57 +0000, "Ian White, G3SEK"
wrote: You can't directly measure radiation resistance, because it's embedded in loss resistances and usually reactance too. Also there's more than one definition of radiation resistance: some would say that the radiation resistance of a half-wave dipole depends on where and how it is fed (centre, end, off-centre); while others would say that the radiation resistance stays the same, and it's only the feedpoint impedance that depends on the method of feed. Since you can't measure it and there isn't even a universally agreed definition, it's best to tiptoe quietly away from "radiation resistance" before the Holy Wars begin... I don't wish to participate in this real discussion since I have only a vague memory of what we had at school over 30 years ago, and math - and in particular integration - is not my strong side. Could you suggest any values of what one could expect to find for radiiation resistance for some variations of half wave dipoles, dependent on wire size, height and other? 73 Jan-Martin, LA8AK http://home.online.no/~la8ak/a.htm -- remove ,xnd to reply (Spam precaution!) |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:55:46 +0000, Paul Burridge
wrote: | |Hi guys, | |How does one go about measuring (with a reasonable degree of |accuracy) the radiation resistance of antennas? And when I say |"antennas" I mean any radiator from a balanced dipole through to a |random length of wet string with a damp matchbox for a ground plane. |Must it be done with a noise bridge or is there another way that |requires no special test equipment (aside from a scope/sig.gen etc.). |I'm primarily interested in checking out highly *non*-ideal antennas |for use in non-ideal situations/locations. This was best posted to rec.radio.amateur.antennas but... For ordinary wire antennas operated independent of ground and without loading coils, the radiation resistance is very close to the resistive part of the feedpoint impedance. Any number of instruments can measure this with reasonable accuracy. A noise bridge or some of the popular impedance bridges (AEA CIA, MFJ, etc) can do it. If the antenna has loading coils, or is operated against ground, then the losses in those (sometimes greatly) affect the measurement. In either case, "special" equipment in the sense that it's more than a scope and signal generator *is* required. Very often transmission lines are a part of the equation and their effects need to be accounted for as well. I suspect that the more non-ideal the antenna, the more difficult the measurement. Wes N7WS |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:55:46 +0000, Paul Burridge
wrote: Hi guys, How does one go about measuring (with a reasonable degree of accuracy) the radiation resistance of antennas? And when I say "antennas" I mean any radiator from a balanced dipole through to a random length of wet string with a damp matchbox for a ground plane. Are you really interested in the radiation resistance or are you actually trying to figure out the efficiency or total radiated power of the antenna ? One way would be to first measure the total radiated power. To do this, you would have to measure the EiRP to all directions and integrate it. If the measurement is done in the far field, a calibrated magnetic probe would be enough, but at closer distances, additionally the electric field would have to be measured with a reference dipole. At short wavelengths the antenna can be put on a rotating table but for instance to measure the radiated power for an LF system, you would have to fly around in a plane with DGPS navigation and make the measurements from all directions. If the antenna has a symmetrical or otherwise well known radiation pattern, the number of measurements could be greatly reduced. When you have the total radiated power and then measure the input power, you can calculate the efficiency and radiating resistance. Assuming that the radiation resistance is in series with the loss resistance, it would be enough to measure just the antenna current, which also flows through the radiation resistance, producing the already measured total radiated field. Paul OH3LWR |
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Paul Burridge wrote:
Hi guys, How does one go about measuring (with a reasonable degree of accuracy) the radiation resistance of antennas? And when I say "antennas" I mean any radiator from a balanced dipole through to a random length of wet string with a damp matchbox for a ground plane. Must it be done with a noise bridge or is there another way that requires no special test equipment (aside from a scope/sig.gen etc.). I'm primarily interested in checking out highly *non*-ideal antennas for use in non-ideal situations/locations. You can't directly measure radiation resistance, because it's embedded in loss resistances and usually reactance too. Also there's more than one definition of radiation resistance: some would say that the radiation resistance of a half-wave dipole depends on where and how it is fed (centre, end, off-centre); while others would say that the radiation resistance stays the same, and it's only the feedpoint impedance that depends on the method of feed. Since you can't measure it and there isn't even a universally agreed definition, it's best to tiptoe quietly away from "radiation resistance" before the Holy Wars begin... What you can measure directly is impedance at the feedpoint. That is of much more practical interest. For that job, an R-X noise bridge is probably the minimum entry-level instrument. In principle you could measure impedance using a sig gen and a two-channel scope, measuring the amplitude and phase difference across a series resistor feeding the unknown load. But in practice you wouldn't get very accurate results above MF, and it's a heap of equipment to carry outside where you'd want to use it. 'Antenna analysers' such as the MFJ-259B are deservedly popular because they will do R-X measurements with acceptable accuracy, and the whole thing can be battery-powered and held in one hand. I'm looking forward to making some outdoor antenna measurements using the new N2PK vector network analyser... but not today brrrr! -- 73 from Ian G3SEK 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB) Editor, 'The VHF/UHF DX Book' http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek |
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