If you start out with a defeatist attitude, and pass that
defeatism onto your protégés, then, yes, you and they
will be defeated.

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
Airy R. Bean wrote:
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?
ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA
for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or
running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams.
IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice
procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a
comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea.
Save it for when one's got some experience under the belt & is
interested in trying something new.

Handling successfully the vagaries of the communications system is part
of what _REAL_ Ham Radio is all about. If you want 59+ BBC quality
then neither Ham Radio nor this thread is for you. CB Radio, perhaps?

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
(I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last
week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...)

Handling successfully the vagaries of the communications system is part
of what _REAL_ Ham Radio is all about. If you want 59+ BBC quality
then neither Ham Radio nor this thread is for you. CB Radio, perhaps?

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
(I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last
week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...)

Walt Davidson wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:50:39 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:


(I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last
week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...)


I take it that "ESP" is short for "Extra Sensory Perception" ... which
would be needed before I would be able to hear any M3's signal!

(yep! Actually on PSK31 I suppose the proper phrase would be "reading
between the lines", quite literally...)
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Walt Davidson wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:50:39 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:


(I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last
week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...)


I take it that "ESP" is short for "Extra Sensory Perception" ... which
would be needed before I would be able to hear any M3's signal!

(yep! Actually on PSK31 I suppose the proper phrase would be "reading
between the lines", quite literally...)
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

In article , Paul Burridge
writes:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:

In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

Elecraft already do a range of these

http://www.elecraft.com/

Good but expensive, aren't they?

Not for what you get.

It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It
would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their
knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed
the Elecraft specs at a lower price?

You can see what you're up against quite easily by downloading the Elecraft
manuals from their website.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Paul Burridge
writes:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:

In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

Elecraft already do a range of these

http://www.elecraft.com/

Good but expensive, aren't they?

Not for what you get.

It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It
would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their
knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed
the Elecraft specs at a lower price?

You can see what you're up against quite easily by downloading the Elecraft
manuals from their website.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I had a look at the elecraft site and it looks like the
typical Yankland commercial rip-off - by the time you've
added all the "options" you haven't got anything worthwhile
for a decent price..

So, ignoring the obvious plugs for "elecrap" how's about
designing a rig within the NG that would provide the facilities
that a newcomer and OM alike need, and which one might
build oneself?

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Paul Burridge
writes:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:
Elecraft already do a range of these
http://www.elecraft.com/
Good but expensive, aren't they?
Not for what you get.

I had a look at the elecraft site and it looks like the
typical Yankland commercial rip-off - by the time you've
added all the "options" you haven't got anything worthwhile
for a decent price..

So, ignoring the obvious plugs for "elecrap" how's about
designing a rig within the NG that would provide the facilities
that a newcomer and OM alike need, and which one might
build oneself?

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Paul Burridge
writes:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:
Elecraft already do a range of these
http://www.elecraft.com/
Good but expensive, aren't they?
Not for what you get.

[posted and mailed]

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

I had a look at the elecraft site and it looks like the
typical Yankland commercial rip-off - by the time you've
added all the "options" you haven't got anything worthwhile
for a decent price..
So, ignoring the obvious plugs for "elecrap" how's about
designing a rig within the NG that would provide the
facilities that a newcomer and OM alike need, and which one
might build oneself?

You had my offer of help both on this newsgroup and by email.

Offer still stands until 23:59 21/4/03.

Leigh....

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