I don't agree that it is OT. The manufacture of one's
own equipment, "homebrew" is the essence of _REAL_
Ham Radio, and that was reflected in my article.

"Phillip Jockell" wrote in message
...
I know this thread will have a much longer life than it should
and it is close to being off topic (if not entirely), but I
couldn't resist agreeing with you.

I don't agree that it is OT. The manufacture of one's
own equipment, "homebrew" is the essence of _REAL_
Ham Radio, and that was reflected in my article.

"Phillip Jockell" wrote in message
...
I know this thread will have a much longer life than it should
and it is close to being off topic (if not entirely), but I
couldn't resist agreeing with you.

It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

============================

On the contrary. There's a long-standing tradition of born-natural engineers
becoming radio amateurs.

Don't bother quoting a few exceptions to the rule.
---
Reg

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

For those of you who have the necessary technical
motivation to understand how things work, have become
interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the
attitudes and activities of those who are really no
more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams,
I append a short article explaining the difference.....

I offered help with your supposed attempt to design and build
a radio, to host some webpages, etc.

You have until 23:59 21/04/03 and then the offer is removed.

I presume you've ignored my email.

So much for me trying to promote gentlemanly behaviour.

Leigh....

(PS - discovered the eham.net site yet for technical
discussions Gareth?)
--

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mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo
yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;}
{sleep;} finger: permission denied

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

For those of you who have the necessary technical
motivation to understand how things work, have become
interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the
attitudes and activities of those who are really no
more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams,
I append a short article explaining the difference.....

How about you widen the circulation of this article to more
rec.radio.amateur groups Gareth.

Tell everyone where they are going wrong.

Or are you too chicken?

Leigh...

In article ,
says...

For those of you who have the necessary technical
motivation to understand how things work, have become
interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the
attitudes and activities of those who are really no
more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams,
I append a short article explaining the difference.....

snip destructive propaganda

For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your
viewpoint is pretty short-sighted.

The Amateur Radio SERVICE has something to offer EVERYone, and
those licensed under its regulations each have the potential to
contribute in ways unique to the individual licensee. Recognizing that
no two people will ever contribute in the same way, and that some will
never contribute more than their presence on the airwaves, is simply
part of the hobby.

There is truth to some of what you're saying, in terms of the
service producing many fine engineers and engineering techs, and of it
being home to those who love to tinker (I know, because that's a big
reason why I got into it). However, it is not required that all of
amateur radio's participants be fully qualified to "design, build, and
operate," as you state.

I suggest you take a good hard look at this link:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...s/news/part97/

Pay particular attention to paragraphs a, c, and e.

Amateur radio's real enemy is not those who don't know an
oscilloscope probe from a soldering pencil. No, the real danger to
amateur radio comes from those, like you, who display nothing but
intolerance to newcomers who are interested in the hobby, but who may
never have picked up a multimeter in their lives.

So: Instead of responding to newcomers with elitism and arrogance,
try responding as an "Elmer." Inform them about the purposes behind the
service, and explain about the responsibilities that a license carries.
Also explain that the Amateur Radio service, like any other hobby, is a
mirror: The 'reward' one gets out is directly proportional to what one
puts into it.

Remember: People learn by example.

--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"

Mr. Bean (no disrespect intended),

Well done. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Anecdotaly (sp ?) those very thoughts came to me a couple years
ago when a local Extra class operator (here in the colonies) was
on the two meter repeater desperately looking for someone to
repair his malfunctioning 12 volt DC power supply for him.

His highest-class-license meant nothing. Seems he had memorized
enough to pass his test and had no technical ability at all.
My thoughts at the time were that he was about 9 meters short
of where he belonged.

I know this thread will have a much longer life than it should
and it is close to being off topic (if not entirely), but I
couldn't resist agreeing with you.

73,

Phil - N4GWV


"Airy R. Bean" wrote in news:c3jtq9$27suha$3@ID-
217727.news.uni-berlin.de:

For those of you who have the necessary technical
motivation to understand how things work, have become
interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the
attitudes and activities of those who are really no
more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams,
I append a short article explaining the difference.....

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

snip

"Ham Radio" is for amateurs. That's why it's called Amateur Radio.

Airy Bean, like most folks on this NG, is a radio_AMATEUR. Unlike most
folks on this NG he has little of any consequence to help or assist other
(or prospective) radio amateurs.

J.

"Jedi" jedi@nospamhere wrote in
:

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

snip

"Ham Radio" is for amateurs. That's why it's called
Amateur Radio.

Airy Bean, like most folks on this NG, is a radio_AMATEUR.
Unlike most folks on this NG he has little of any
consequence to help or assist other (or prospective) radio
amateurs.

.......which goes against the true spirit that has taken
amateur radio to it's present position.

If the pioneers in the 1920s who did the first amateur
transmissions had adopted the same opinions and stand-points
as Gareth, we'd have got nowhere.

Long may he sit and rule his own empire. Thankfully that
empire ends at his front door except for his publicity machine
that is the internet.

"Jedi" jedi@nospamhere wrote in
:

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

snip

"Ham Radio" is for amateurs. That's why it's called
Amateur Radio.

Airy Bean, like most folks on this NG, is a radio_AMATEUR.
Unlike most folks on this NG he has little of any
consequence to help or assist other (or prospective) radio
amateurs.

.......which goes against the true spirit that has taken
amateur radio to it's present position.

If the pioneers in the 1920s who did the first amateur
transmissions had adopted the same opinions and stand-points
as Gareth, we'd have got nowhere.

Long may he sit and rule his own empire. Thankfully that
empire ends at his front door except for his publicity machine
that is the internet.