In article ,
says...

For those of you who have the necessary technical
motivation to understand how things work, have become
interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the
attitudes and activities of those who are really no
more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams,
I append a short article explaining the difference.....

snip destructive propaganda

For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your
viewpoint is pretty short-sighted.

The Amateur Radio SERVICE has something to offer EVERYone, and
those licensed under its regulations each have the potential to
contribute in ways unique to the individual licensee. Recognizing that
no two people will ever contribute in the same way, and that some will
never contribute more than their presence on the airwaves, is simply
part of the hobby.

There is truth to some of what you're saying, in terms of the
service producing many fine engineers and engineering techs, and of it
being home to those who love to tinker (I know, because that's a big
reason why I got into it). However, it is not required that all of
amateur radio's participants be fully qualified to "design, build, and
operate," as you state.

I suggest you take a good hard look at this link:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...s/news/part97/

Pay particular attention to paragraphs a, c, and e.

Amateur radio's real enemy is not those who don't know an
oscilloscope probe from a soldering pencil. No, the real danger to
amateur radio comes from those, like you, who display nothing but
intolerance to newcomers who are interested in the hobby, but who may
never have picked up a multimeter in their lives.

So: Instead of responding to newcomers with elitism and arrogance,
try responding as an "Elmer." Inform them about the purposes behind the
service, and explain about the responsibilities that a license carries.
Also explain that the Amateur Radio service, like any other hobby, is a
mirror: The 'reward' one gets out is directly proportional to what one
puts into it.

Remember: People learn by example.

--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"

No. It is not short-sighted. Ham Radio is a technical
pursuit with technical privileges and I wish it to remain so.
Any sitting-on-the-sidelines while the Mongolian hordes
of turnip-brained CBers pour in is ill-advised because the
powers-that-be will come to perceive Ham Radio to have
become indistinguishable from CB Radio and the technical
privileges will be in danger of being withdrawn.

Far from being short-sighted, the viewpoint that I
express is long-sighted.

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
For those of you who have the necessary technical
motivation to understand how things work, have become
interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the
attitudes and activities of those who are really no
more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams,
I append a short article explaining the difference.....
For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your
viewpoint is pretty short-sighted.

In article ,
says...

top-posting corrected ... Please don't top-post!

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message

For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your
viewpoint is pretty short-sighted.

No. It is not short-sighted. Ham Radio is a technical
pursuit with technical privileges and I wish it to remain so.

Well, that's fine. You can, in your own way, make your
participation in amateur radio as technical as you want.

HOWEVER -- Technical pursuits are NOT the only reason the SERVICE
exists. You apparently did not take my advice to read the material at
the links I provided on Part 97 of the FCC regs, more specifically the
section which defines what the amateur service is. Had you done so, you
would have read that there's a lot more than the technical side
involved.

Any sitting-on-the-sidelines while the Mongolian hordes
of turnip-brained CBers pour in is ill-advised because the
powers-that-be will come to perceive Ham Radio to have
become indistinguishable from CB Radio and the technical
privileges will be in danger of being withdrawn.

blink

You know, up until you made that utterly inaccurate and utterly
loony statement, I was under the impression that you could be
reasonable.

Far from being short-sighted, the viewpoint that I
express is long-sighted.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I would, however,
point out that the "Mongolian hordes" (are we being racist now as well?)
have been "pouring in" for the last several decades.

While there has been a noticeable (and, IMO, lamentable) decline
in the number of tinkerers, as it were, amateur radio is still around,
and I think it will continue to be around for many moons to come.

For the sake of avoiding newsgroup clutter, I will no longer
debate these points with you. It is apparent that you do not care enough
to take Part 97 (or whatever its UK equivalent is) seriously.

God help whatever newcomer asks you an 'elmer' type question about
amateur radio...

*PLONK!*


--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"

If you wish to make some point in debate, then make it
yourself. I'm not going to go away and learn up on
your failings, OM!

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message
...
You apparently did not take my advice to read the material at
the links I provided on Part 97 of the FCC regs, more specifically the
section which defines what the amateur service is. Had you done so, you
would have read that there's a lot more than the technical side
involved.

WRONG!

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message
...
HOWEVER -- Technical pursuits are NOT the only reason the SERVICE
exists.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

WRONG!

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee"
wrote in message
...
HOWEVER -- Technical pursuits are NOT the only reason the
SERVICE exists.


Gareth - do us all a _FAVOUR_ - take your silly little
squabbles to email. Shows true usenet netiquette.

There's a good girl.



--

#!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;}
mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo
yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;}
{sleep;} finger: permission denied

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

WRONG!

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee"
wrote in message
...
HOWEVER -- Technical pursuits are NOT the only reason the
SERVICE exists.


Gareth - do us all a _FAVOUR_ - take your silly little
squabbles to email. Shows true usenet netiquette.

There's a good girl.



--

#!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;}
mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo
yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;}
{sleep;} finger: permission denied

The Childish Broadcaster (CBer) quoted below reveals himself every time
that he resorts to personal remarks.

Shame on you.

Ham Radio has traditions of gentlemanly conduct.

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message
...
You know, up until you made that utterly inaccurate and utterly
loony statement, I was under the impression that you could be
reasonable.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

The Childish Broadcaster (CBer) quoted below reveals
himself every time that he resorts to personal remarks.

Shame on you.

Ham Radio has traditions of gentlemanly conduct.

How dumb are you dumbo?

I see you're trapped in an usenet argument corner, so you've
pulled the Airy-Arse book of old cliches out have you?




"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee"
wrote in message
...
You know, up until you made that utterly inaccurate and
utterly loony statement, I was under the impression that
you could be reasonable.






--

#!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;}
mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo
yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;}
{sleep;} finger: permission denied

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:49:46 +0000, the Has-Bean wrote:

The Childish Broadcaster (CBer) quoted below reveals himself every time
that he resorts to personal remarks.


Then in another post

Was it to demonstrate that not only is he a _LOSER_,
but that he is well aware of the fact?

You _ARE_ that CBer!