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A weekly guide to Ham Radio
For those of you who have the necessary technical
motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... What is Ham Radio? Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who are interested in the science of radio wave propagation and who are also interested in the way that their radios function. It has a long-standing tradition of providing a source of engineers who are born naturals. Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life fascination with all things technical and gives an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in! This excitement causes a wish to share the experience with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio. Radio Hams are qualified to design, build and then operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this with gusto, and also repair and modify their own equipment. The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with the latter that communication with like-minded technically motivated people takes off. The scope for technical development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal of excitement in the areas of computer programming to be learnt and applied. The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing, competitions and fox-hunts. -----OOOOO---- However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a desirable thing to have that there are large numbers of people who wish to be thought of as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing of the kind! Usually such people are a variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their radios off the shelf and send them back to be repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how their radios work inside and have no wish to find out; they are free with rather silly personal insults; they have not satisfied any technical qualification and their licences prevent the use of self-designed-and-built equipment. These CB types engage in the competitive activities with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams. No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people! |
The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth.....
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... Bill, W6WRT 47 years of hamming and still unimpressed by the likes of Airyhead Bean. |
The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth.....
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... Bill, W6WRT 47 years of hamming and still unimpressed by the likes of Airyhead Bean. |
It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who are born naturals. ============================ On the contrary. There's a long-standing tradition of born-natural engineers becoming radio amateurs. Don't bother quoting a few exceptions to the rule. --- Reg |
It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who are born naturals. ============================ On the contrary. There's a long-standing tradition of born-natural engineers becoming radio amateurs. Don't bother quoting a few exceptions to the rule. --- Reg |
Perhaps she is stamping her tiny foot in a fit of pique?
Certainly she has shown her true colours in recent days, if the quotes by "Super Sam" are anything to go by. Any pretence that she may have had about never being uncivil have been completely blown away, and she can be seen for what she really is, and that is a bitter and twisted old harridan who is best ignored by anyone who wishes to maintain standards in _REAL_ Ham radio. "Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:39:01 +0000, Gerald Blusters-Forth wrote: [the usual load of drivel] Why are you posting under a new sock-puppet, RVMJ? |
Perhaps she is stamping her tiny foot in a fit of pique?
Certainly she has shown her true colours in recent days, if the quotes by "Super Sam" are anything to go by. Any pretence that she may have had about never being uncivil have been completely blown away, and she can be seen for what she really is, and that is a bitter and twisted old harridan who is best ignored by anyone who wishes to maintain standards in _REAL_ Ham radio. "Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:39:01 +0000, Gerald Blusters-Forth wrote: [the usual load of drivel] Why are you posting under a new sock-puppet, RVMJ? |
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
: For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... I offered help with your supposed attempt to design and build a radio, to host some webpages, etc. You have until 23:59 21/04/03 and then the offer is removed. I presume you've ignored my email. So much for me trying to promote gentlemanly behaviour. Leigh.... (PS - discovered the eham.net site yet for technical discussions Gareth?) -- #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied |
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
: For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... I offered help with your supposed attempt to design and build a radio, to host some webpages, etc. You have until 23:59 21/04/03 and then the offer is removed. I presume you've ignored my email. So much for me trying to promote gentlemanly behaviour. Leigh.... (PS - discovered the eham.net site yet for technical discussions Gareth?) -- #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied |
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
: For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... How about you widen the circulation of this article to more rec.radio.amateur groups Gareth. Tell everyone where they are going wrong. Or are you too chicken? Leigh... |
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
: For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... How about you widen the circulation of this article to more rec.radio.amateur groups Gareth. Tell everyone where they are going wrong. Or are you too chicken? Leigh... |
In article ,
says... For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... snip destructive propaganda For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your viewpoint is pretty short-sighted. The Amateur Radio SERVICE has something to offer EVERYone, and those licensed under its regulations each have the potential to contribute in ways unique to the individual licensee. Recognizing that no two people will ever contribute in the same way, and that some will never contribute more than their presence on the airwaves, is simply part of the hobby. There is truth to some of what you're saying, in terms of the service producing many fine engineers and engineering techs, and of it being home to those who love to tinker (I know, because that's a big reason why I got into it). However, it is not required that all of amateur radio's participants be fully qualified to "design, build, and operate," as you state. I suggest you take a good hard look at this link: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...s/news/part97/ Pay particular attention to paragraphs a, c, and e. Amateur radio's real enemy is not those who don't know an oscilloscope probe from a soldering pencil. No, the real danger to amateur radio comes from those, like you, who display nothing but intolerance to newcomers who are interested in the hobby, but who may never have picked up a multimeter in their lives. So: Instead of responding to newcomers with elitism and arrogance, try responding as an "Elmer." Inform them about the purposes behind the service, and explain about the responsibilities that a license carries. Also explain that the Amateur Radio service, like any other hobby, is a mirror: The 'reward' one gets out is directly proportional to what one puts into it. Remember: People learn by example. -- Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute. (Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR, kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" |
Mr. Bean (no disrespect intended),
Well done. Couldn't have said it better myself. Anecdotaly (sp ?) those very thoughts came to me a couple years ago when a local Extra class operator (here in the colonies) was on the two meter repeater desperately looking for someone to repair his malfunctioning 12 volt DC power supply for him. His highest-class-license meant nothing. Seems he had memorized enough to pass his test and had no technical ability at all. My thoughts at the time were that he was about 9 meters short of where he belonged. I know this thread will have a much longer life than it should and it is close to being off topic (if not entirely), but I couldn't resist agreeing with you. 73, Phil - N4GWV "Airy R. Bean" wrote in news:c3jtq9$27suha$3@ID- 217727.news.uni-berlin.de: For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... |
Mr. Bean (no disrespect intended),
Well done. Couldn't have said it better myself. Anecdotaly (sp ?) those very thoughts came to me a couple years ago when a local Extra class operator (here in the colonies) was on the two meter repeater desperately looking for someone to repair his malfunctioning 12 volt DC power supply for him. His highest-class-license meant nothing. Seems he had memorized enough to pass his test and had no technical ability at all. My thoughts at the time were that he was about 9 meters short of where he belonged. I know this thread will have a much longer life than it should and it is close to being off topic (if not entirely), but I couldn't resist agreeing with you. 73, Phil - N4GWV "Airy R. Bean" wrote in news:c3jtq9$27suha$3@ID- 217727.news.uni-berlin.de: For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... |
I hear what you say, but I disagree with you.
It is entirely relevant to homebrew, which is the essence of Ham Radio. "Michael Black" wrote in message ... "Airy R. Bean" ) writes: Is there some reason you see fit to cross-post your threads to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew? Cross-posting is bad enough, but we hardly need to hear how amateur radio is a technical hobby when that's the main interest of the newsgroup. Stay out of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew if all you're doing is crossposting Bean. |
I hear what you say, but I disagree with you.
It is entirely relevant to homebrew, which is the essence of Ham Radio. "Michael Black" wrote in message ... "Airy R. Bean" ) writes: Is there some reason you see fit to cross-post your threads to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew? Cross-posting is bad enough, but we hardly need to hear how amateur radio is a technical hobby when that's the main interest of the newsgroup. Stay out of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew if all you're doing is crossposting Bean. |
No. It is not short-sighted. Ham Radio is a technical
pursuit with technical privileges and I wish it to remain so. Any sitting-on-the-sidelines while the Mongolian hordes of turnip-brained CBers pour in is ill-advised because the powers-that-be will come to perceive Ham Radio to have become indistinguishable from CB Radio and the technical privileges will be in danger of being withdrawn. Far from being short-sighted, the viewpoint that I express is long-sighted. "Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article , says... For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your viewpoint is pretty short-sighted. |
No. It is not short-sighted. Ham Radio is a technical
pursuit with technical privileges and I wish it to remain so. Any sitting-on-the-sidelines while the Mongolian hordes of turnip-brained CBers pour in is ill-advised because the powers-that-be will come to perceive Ham Radio to have become indistinguishable from CB Radio and the technical privileges will be in danger of being withdrawn. Far from being short-sighted, the viewpoint that I express is long-sighted. "Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article , says... For those of you who have the necessary technical motivation to understand how things work, have become interested in Ham Radio but are confused by the attitudes and activities of those who are really no more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams, I append a short article explaining the difference..... For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your viewpoint is pretty short-sighted. |
I disagree with you there. To welcome and to encourage
newcomers who have already demonstrated their future relevance by being technically motivated is one thing, but to swell the ranks, just for the sake of swelling, with those who are CBers, and who will always remain CBers, and will never be more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams is quite another. BTW, It is CB Radio that is a "hobby". Ham Radio is a technical pursuit. "Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... Amateur radio's real enemy is not those who don't know an oscilloscope probe from a soldering pencil. No, the real danger to amateur radio comes from those, like you, who display nothing but intolerance to newcomers who are interested in the hobby, but who may never have picked up a multimeter in their lives. So: Instead of responding to newcomers with elitism and arrogance, try responding as an "Elmer." Inform them about the purposes behind the service, and explain about the responsibilities that a license carries. Also explain that the Amateur Radio service, like any other hobby, is a mirror: The 'reward' one gets out is directly proportional to what one puts into it. |
I disagree with you there. To welcome and to encourage
newcomers who have already demonstrated their future relevance by being technically motivated is one thing, but to swell the ranks, just for the sake of swelling, with those who are CBers, and who will always remain CBers, and will never be more than CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams is quite another. BTW, It is CB Radio that is a "hobby". Ham Radio is a technical pursuit. "Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... Amateur radio's real enemy is not those who don't know an oscilloscope probe from a soldering pencil. No, the real danger to amateur radio comes from those, like you, who display nothing but intolerance to newcomers who are interested in the hobby, but who may never have picked up a multimeter in their lives. So: Instead of responding to newcomers with elitism and arrogance, try responding as an "Elmer." Inform them about the purposes behind the service, and explain about the responsibilities that a license carries. Also explain that the Amateur Radio service, like any other hobby, is a mirror: The 'reward' one gets out is directly proportional to what one puts into it. |
I don't agree that it is OT. The manufacture of one's
own equipment, "homebrew" is the essence of _REAL_ Ham Radio, and that was reflected in my article. "Phillip Jockell" wrote in message ... I know this thread will have a much longer life than it should and it is close to being off topic (if not entirely), but I couldn't resist agreeing with you. |
I don't agree that it is OT. The manufacture of one's
own equipment, "homebrew" is the essence of _REAL_ Ham Radio, and that was reflected in my article. "Phillip Jockell" wrote in message ... I know this thread will have a much longer life than it should and it is close to being off topic (if not entirely), but I couldn't resist agreeing with you. |
Mr.Turner's outburst below says, perhaps, more about his own
psyche than he intended to reveal? There is no "self-centred, holier-than-thou" proclamation that I am "vastly superior" ..... "to the unwashed masses" in what I assert. In my book, _ALL_ comers of whatever race, colour, creed, occupation, previous pursuits, are welcome to join the technical pursuit that is Ham Radio, and in so doing, to tackle and pass the examinations that are set to guarantee technical competence. Those that demonstrate their technical motivation and competence are welcome as Radio Hams. Those that lack either attribute are not Radio hams by any stretch of the imagination. The mobile phone and the CB transceiver cater for such non-Hams. "Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:46:51 +0000, Walt Davidson wrote: I hope you will not allow it to happen to you on your side of the "pond"! All the signs are there and the same loud-mouthed agitators are rattling at the gates. :-( I hope it doesn't happen here, too. However, Airyhead and his like are not the solution to the problem. His (their) self-centered, holier-than-thou attitude will only make the CB'ers more strident than ever. He might be a good technical guy (maybe) but he is a lousy psychologist. You can not convince people of the rightness of your cause by proclaiming how vastly superior you are to the unwashed masses. |
Mr.Turner's outburst below says, perhaps, more about his own
psyche than he intended to reveal? There is no "self-centred, holier-than-thou" proclamation that I am "vastly superior" ..... "to the unwashed masses" in what I assert. In my book, _ALL_ comers of whatever race, colour, creed, occupation, previous pursuits, are welcome to join the technical pursuit that is Ham Radio, and in so doing, to tackle and pass the examinations that are set to guarantee technical competence. Those that demonstrate their technical motivation and competence are welcome as Radio Hams. Those that lack either attribute are not Radio hams by any stretch of the imagination. The mobile phone and the CB transceiver cater for such non-Hams. "Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:46:51 +0000, Walt Davidson wrote: I hope you will not allow it to happen to you on your side of the "pond"! All the signs are there and the same loud-mouthed agitators are rattling at the gates. :-( I hope it doesn't happen here, too. However, Airyhead and his like are not the solution to the problem. His (their) self-centered, holier-than-thou attitude will only make the CB'ers more strident than ever. He might be a good technical guy (maybe) but he is a lousy psychologist. You can not convince people of the rightness of your cause by proclaiming how vastly superior you are to the unwashed masses. |
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:31:15 -0000, "Airyhead R. Bean" wrote: while the Mongolian hordes of turnip-brained CBers __________________________________________________ _______ Your JT QSL card is hereby canceled. You really must excuse Mr Bean, Bill. As you have no doubt worked out, after four years at university, the only thing he has to show for his efforts, is a drinking degree :-( Regards tox |
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:31:15 -0000, "Airyhead R. Bean" wrote: while the Mongolian hordes of turnip-brained CBers __________________________________________________ _______ Your JT QSL card is hereby canceled. You really must excuse Mr Bean, Bill. As you have no doubt worked out, after four years at university, the only thing he has to show for his efforts, is a drinking degree :-( Regards tox |
Airy R. Bean wrote:
The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth..... Oh no, he's wet himself again. NURSE! |
Airy R. Bean wrote:
The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth..... Oh no, he's wet himself again. NURSE! |
God's gift to women wrote:
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:31:15 -0000, "Airyhead R. Bean" wrote: while the Mongolian hordes of turnip-brained CBers __________________________________________________ _______ Your JT QSL card is hereby canceled. You really must excuse Mr Bean, Bill. As you have no doubt worked out, after four years at university, the only thing he has to show for his efforts, is a drinking degree :-( Regards tox That's why he keeps wetting himself, every time he opens his mouth. |
God's gift to women wrote:
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:31:15 -0000, "Airyhead R. Bean" wrote: while the Mongolian hordes of turnip-brained CBers __________________________________________________ _______ Your JT QSL card is hereby canceled. You really must excuse Mr Bean, Bill. As you have no doubt worked out, after four years at university, the only thing he has to show for his efforts, is a drinking degree :-( Regards tox That's why he keeps wetting himself, every time he opens his mouth. |
Bill Turner wrote:
proclaiming how vastly superior you are to the unwashed masses. Ah - I see you've been to a UK radio rally then... :o) |
Bill Turner wrote:
proclaiming how vastly superior you are to the unwashed masses. Ah - I see you've been to a UK radio rally then... :o) |
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:36:09 +0000, Airy R. Bean wrote:
BTW, It is CB Radio that is a "hobby". Ham Radio is a technical pursuit. It is both, but has unfortunately bean given the wrong image by querulous sad old gits. Had any QSLs on negative frequencies yet? |
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:36:09 +0000, Airy R. Bean wrote:
BTW, It is CB Radio that is a "hobby". Ham Radio is a technical pursuit. It is both, but has unfortunately bean given the wrong image by querulous sad old gits. Had any QSLs on negative frequencies yet? |
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:41:00 -0000, "Airy R. Bean"
wrote: The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth..... "Bill Turner" wrote in message .. . Bill, W6WRT 47 years of hamming and still unimpressed by the likes of Airyhead Bean. You've done it now Bill! You'll be on Airy's blacklist. Expect to be called "5 year old", "she", "infant". etc etc ... in fact all the inane claptrap that we have been pestered with since Airy (also known as Gareth Alun Evans, G4SDW, of Chippenham, England) slipped headfirst down the "john"... 73 and keep smiling Bill.. Peter, G3PHO |
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:41:00 -0000, "Airy R. Bean"
wrote: The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth..... "Bill Turner" wrote in message .. . Bill, W6WRT 47 years of hamming and still unimpressed by the likes of Airyhead Bean. You've done it now Bill! You'll be on Airy's blacklist. Expect to be called "5 year old", "she", "infant". etc etc ... in fact all the inane claptrap that we have been pestered with since Airy (also known as Gareth Alun Evans, G4SDW, of Chippenham, England) slipped headfirst down the "john"... 73 and keep smiling Bill.. Peter, G3PHO |
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:29:24 -0000, "Airy R. Bean" wrote: There is no "self-centred, holier-than-thou" proclamation that I am "vastly superior" ..... "to the unwashed masses" in what I assert. __________________________________________________ _______ Of course there is. The fact that you don't see it is the whole point. Actually Bill, the best bit is that "Airy" (real name Gareth) actually shows very little evidence of having the technical knowledge he likes to claim. -- 73 Brian G8OSN www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk for FREE training material for all UK amateur radio licences www.phoenixradioclub.org.uk - a RADIO club specifically for those wishing to learn more about amateur radio |
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:29:24 -0000, "Airy R. Bean" wrote: There is no "self-centred, holier-than-thou" proclamation that I am "vastly superior" ..... "to the unwashed masses" in what I assert. __________________________________________________ _______ Of course there is. The fact that you don't see it is the whole point. Actually Bill, the best bit is that "Airy" (real name Gareth) actually shows very little evidence of having the technical knowledge he likes to claim. -- 73 Brian G8OSN www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk for FREE training material for all UK amateur radio licences www.phoenixradioclub.org.uk - a RADIO club specifically for those wishing to learn more about amateur radio |
In article ,
says... top-posting corrected ... Please don't top-post! "Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message For someone who claims such a broad base of knowledge, your viewpoint is pretty short-sighted. No. It is not short-sighted. Ham Radio is a technical pursuit with technical privileges and I wish it to remain so. Well, that's fine. You can, in your own way, make your participation in amateur radio as technical as you want. HOWEVER -- Technical pursuits are NOT the only reason the SERVICE exists. You apparently did not take my advice to read the material at the links I provided on Part 97 of the FCC regs, more specifically the section which defines what the amateur service is. Had you done so, you would have read that there's a lot more than the technical side involved. Any sitting-on-the-sidelines while the Mongolian hordes of turnip-brained CBers pour in is ill-advised because the powers-that-be will come to perceive Ham Radio to have become indistinguishable from CB Radio and the technical privileges will be in danger of being withdrawn. blink You know, up until you made that utterly inaccurate and utterly loony statement, I was under the impression that you could be reasonable. Far from being short-sighted, the viewpoint that I express is long-sighted. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I would, however, point out that the "Mongolian hordes" (are we being racist now as well?) have been "pouring in" for the last several decades. While there has been a noticeable (and, IMO, lamentable) decline in the number of tinkerers, as it were, amateur radio is still around, and I think it will continue to be around for many moons to come. For the sake of avoiding newsgroup clutter, I will no longer debate these points with you. It is apparent that you do not care enough to take Part 97 (or whatever its UK equivalent is) seriously. God help whatever newcomer asks you an 'elmer' type question about amateur radio... *PLONK!* -- Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute. (Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR, kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" |
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