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Old April 11th 04, 06:25 AM
 
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Gordin wrote:

Hello
I know that this may be a dumb question but I have found conflicting
info about this on a few web pages.

If one takes say 5 capacitors each with a value of 500wv @ 150uf and
connects them in series the result wold be 2500v @ 30uf. Correct?

Now if one takes another string just like the one above, and connects
both strings across the output of the rectifier parallel to each other
does this still give the 2500v but @ 60uf? or does the voltage drop?

Thanks


Others have correctly answered your question. I'll
add something: one should always derate the voltage
that a capacitor "sees" in a circuit from the cap's
rating. Using a 500 volt cap at 500 volts is asking
for trouble. (Or using 5 of them in series at 2500
volts.) If your circuit runs at 2500 volts, add at
least one cap to the string.

And do not forget the bleeder/equalizing resistors.
You'll need 2 resistors in series per cap. I'd use
2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to
give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power
dissipation and voltage exposure. Others might recommend
a single 100K 2 watt resistor across each cap. But that
way, each resistor "sees" about 416 volts, and dissipates
a little over 1.7 watts. With two in series, each resistor
"sees" about half the voltage - and the power dissipation
capability is doubled.

Gordon

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Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote:

I'd use
2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to
give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power
dissipation and voltage exposure.


__________________________________________________ _______

Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for
gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF)
types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them
pretty reasonable. See
http://www.somis.org/

Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416
volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should
be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of
them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor.

--
Bill, W6WRT
QSLs via LoTW


Thanks! Those are good resistors - I didn't know
about the site. My paranoia extends to the caps, too.
I would use 7, myself, yielding a total of 3500 volts
or about 360 across each cap and resistor. That would
also reduce the power the resistors would dissipate to
about 1.3 watts, but the reduction in cap voltage
is more important. The last one I built (for 1800V)
used 6 450 volt caps and 12 51K 2w resistors. Wish
I had known about that site when I built it - I would
have used those resistors.
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Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote:

I'd use
2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to
give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power
dissipation and voltage exposure.


__________________________________________________ _______

Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for
gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF)
types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them
pretty reasonable. See
http://www.somis.org/

Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416
volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should
be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of
them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor.

--
Bill, W6WRT
QSLs via LoTW


Thanks! Those are good resistors - I didn't know
about the site. My paranoia extends to the caps, too.
I would use 7, myself, yielding a total of 3500 volts
or about 360 across each cap and resistor. That would
also reduce the power the resistors would dissipate to
about 1.3 watts, but the reduction in cap voltage
is more important. The last one I built (for 1800V)
used 6 450 volt caps and 12 51K 2w resistors. Wish
I had known about that site when I built it - I would
have used those resistors.
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Old April 17th 04, 03:30 AM
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Bill Turner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote:


I'd use
2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to
give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power
dissipation and voltage exposure.



__________________________________________________ _______

Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for
gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF)
types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them
pretty reasonable. See
http://www.somis.org/

The time proven method uses wire wound power resistors, with somewhat
lower values (higher wattage). For 450 volt caps resistors in the 50k
range are common, this will require 5 watt resistors (use 10w to be
safe). The higher bleed current serves two purposes, it discharges the
capacitors when the power is shut off more quickly, and reduces the
peak voltage reached protecting the capacitors. High voltage capacitor
strings using higher value resistors can hold a charge for several
minutes, a hazard for the careless!


Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416
volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should
be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of
them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor.

--
Bill, W6WRT
QSLs via LoTW

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Bill Turner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote:


I'd use
2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to
give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power
dissipation and voltage exposure.



__________________________________________________ _______

Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for
gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF)
types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them
pretty reasonable. See
http://www.somis.org/

The time proven method uses wire wound power resistors, with somewhat
lower values (higher wattage). For 450 volt caps resistors in the 50k
range are common, this will require 5 watt resistors (use 10w to be
safe). The higher bleed current serves two purposes, it discharges the
capacitors when the power is shut off more quickly, and reduces the
peak voltage reached protecting the capacitors. High voltage capacitor
strings using higher value resistors can hold a charge for several
minutes, a hazard for the careless!


Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416
volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should
be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of
them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor.

--
Bill, W6WRT
QSLs via LoTW

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